Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Shakehands]

Interesting

 

[Psyko70]

I can understand Indians celebrating this attack, I will even Understand the GCC citizens joining their Israeli friends celebrating these Air strikes on Iran but I don't know how some of our own countrymen can go so low in their hatred towards Pakistan military leadership that they care using this bombing to Mock Asim Munir and celebrating it.
are these strikes done to release their saint?

indeed peace nomination was a cringe and a feeble attempt to steer Trump away from getting directly involved in aggression against Iran but mocking Pakistan over it should be left to Indians only who are still not recovered from the shock approval and attention Pakistani leadership got from USA since the humiliation inflicted by PAF on Modi in last month of May .

The cult following has done this. Nothing else. There was hatered before now its madness.

 

[SecularNationalist]

Interesting

Nothing happened.
They still have all the scientists and infrastructure.

 

[r3alist]

India supported Iran for years—even when it meant going against the U.S. while most Asian countries backed off under pressure, India continued to buy Iranian oil and gas. It only stopped when the situation became too critical to manage under sanctions.

Ironically, even Pakistan—despite being a neighbor—was among the first to halt trade with Iran under U.S. pressure.

Yes, India and Iran have a non-military strategic relationship. Both countries understand the nature of their ties. And Iran has long been aware of India’s parallel relationship with Israel, which has been in place for decades.

So what can Iran realistically expect from India today? At best, maybe a condemnation of Israel’s actions—but even that is unlikely. India will likely remain silent, choosing not to take a public stance in favor of either side. That’s consistent with India's approach: careful, calculated, and focused on its own national interest.

You always turn up at times no one particularly wants to hear from you

Then Insinuate yourself into discussions with long posts no one reads

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

1. What Can 6 MOPs Do?

• Each MOP is capable of penetrating up to 60 meters of reinforced concrete, or slightly more in soil or fractured rock—but granite is extremely dense, and Fordow is buried ~90 meters deep under a granite mountain, not just inside a hill or under a slab of concrete.
• Hitting the same spot repeatedly might compound the penetration effect if spaced properly, but:
  • Granite absorbs shock and disperses energy,
  • There’s a limit to compounding effect in real-world conditions,
  • Intelligence on internal layout would have to be extremely precise to cause total destruction.

2. Likely Outcome with 6 MOPs

Entrances, exits, and access tunnels likely destroyed.

• Surface and shallow underground structures (like air filters, transformers, generators, or stairwells) probably devastated.
• Upper chambers might be damaged or collapsed if they’re near the blast zone.
• Main centrifuge halls, located deeper in the mountain, are likely intact unless the U.S. hit a known shaft leading directly to them.

3. Technical Challenges

Precision: You’d need near-perfect targeting on the same impact point, ideally in sequence—not just scatter-bombing the area.

• Mountain structure: Fordow isn’t just 90m below flat land—it’s embedded in a mountain, with granite acting like armor.
• Seismic sensors worldwide would likely register collapses of such magnitude. There’s no international confirmation of a deep collapse.

4. Propaganda Angle

• U.S. claims: “Completely destroyed” → Psychological warfare aimed at Iran and its allies. May also serve to boost political standing or pressure negotiations.
• Iran claims: “Only entrances damaged” → Downplaying for morale and deterrence, but also likely closer to engineering reality.

5. Strategic Analysis

If Fordow was truly destroyed:

IAEA inspectors or satellite footage would eventually confirm it.

• Iran would escalate response dramatically—not just politically but potentially militarily.
• Iran might rush to rebuild, or even exit the NPT and go fully nuclear.
• There would be global intel leaks, seismic data, and massive international response.

We haven’t seen that yet.

Conclusion:

Even with 6 MOPs, a full destruction of Fordow is unlikely without:

Exact intel on weak points,

1. Follow-up confirmation (seismic collapse, satellite imagery),
2. Additional sabotage or advanced new weaponry.

Most likely scenario:

• Entrances, exits, and some upper-level infrastructure were destroyed.
• Main centrifuge chambers probably survived, especially if buried in the deeper protected zones.

damage or no damage, thats beside the point..
your country got attacked!



That alone should be enough of a reason to declare full out war (my reading)

 

[mangekyo]

how is the destruction in Israel? My local Zionist media only showed a building with blown out windows and said that Iran will resort to terror in Europe now because they are way too inferior militarily

 

[Oracle]

Interesting

Make conspiracy all You want. Reality

-USA bombed Iran
-USA destroyed nuclear facility
- Israel bombed Iran military and nuclear sites
-Israel killed all generals.

What Iran did is destroyed infrastructure and cities.. But what else Iran could do.. NOTHING.

It's failed foreign policy. No friends... Everyone saw it coming.

 

[Khansaheeb]

 

[StrategicBear]

Looks like Trump is lying again. Did attacked but didn't destroyed it.

 

[SaadH]

I can understand Indians celebrating this attack, I will even Understand the GCC citizens joining their Israeli friends celebrating these Air strikes on Iran but I don't know how some of our own countrymen can go so low in their hatred towards Pakistan military leadership that they care using this bombing to Mock Asim Munir and celebrating it.
are these strikes done to release their saint?

indeed peace nomination was a cringe and a feeble attempt to steer Trump away from getting directly involved in aggression against Iran but mocking Pakistan over it should be left to Indians only who are still not recovered from the shock approval and attention Pakistani leadership got from USA since the humiliation inflicted by PAF on Modi in last month of May .

Gee I don't know probably because that bald headed village idiot of a field moron nominated ZioNazi Orange Turd for a Nobel Peace prize/...

 

[Farhan23]

Seriously though, if there is any dajjal you need to know about it is that minor dajjjal Imran Hosein

anyone who posts imran hossien should be banned. he is delulu

 

[Mobius]

Seriously though, if there is any dajjal you need to know about it is that minor dajjjal Imran Hosein

Deft, dumb and blind comment. Doesn't need to be entertained, unless you back up your claim with something meaningful.
As things stand, what Imran Hosein said 20+ years ago is happening as we speak and we have fools like you making fun of him for warning us. Careful what you say about a fellow Muslim as your ego may be questioned on the day of judgement.

 

[wangdefa]

When was the last time China actually fought a real war? The Sino-Vietnamese War in February 1979 and a lot has changed since then. While China has built a massive arsenal and studied countless war scenarios, real war isn’t theory or kung fu, it demands courage, sacrifice, and a lion’s heart.

Modern warfare tests more than just weapons; it tests willpower and resilience under fire. Frankly, I don’t see China engaging in a full scale conflict anytime soon. If their weapons are ever tested on the battlefield, it may very well be through Pakistan, where real conflicts and real stakes still exist.
Chinese are too scared to use their own weapons on their enemy.

Obviously, you are still stuck in the World War II thinking that war is about digging trenches and coordinating steps and tanks? Modern combat aircraft use over-the-horizon, and you always use all high-tech long-range strikes where the enemy can't see them. You need to change the logic of true modern warfare.Drones, long-range missiles, satellites, everything needs to be harnessed. Not by soldiers charging.

 

[r3alist]

At this stage, the real question here is what is the Iranian perspective, is an off-ramp seen as desirable, or is that out of the question?

This is one of those attacks I believe which was calibrated to have huge optics, not necessarily the same destruction

 

[Khansaheeb]