Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

Dariush-e Bozorg said:
UAE is risky. They lay illegal claims to Iranian islands. Can backfire. Iran is really fighting impossible battle against US/Israel. Don't need more enemies.
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UAE is the big snake. But you're right US would immediately strike back on their behalf.

They evacuated the base in Qatar only. They don't mind shaking Qatar up because of Qatar's support for Hamas. And Israel is livid over Al Jazeera.
 
j_hungary said:
I didn't say any government needs to release the "truth" I said you need to show the other people you are working, and functioning, that's how it eat into the enemy psychology. I didn't say the US release the "Truth" I said they need to show that they are showing the damage, so people will know what's going on, even if that was not the case.

On the other hand, of course Iran can do what they wanted, as I said, we don't fight war in a 2 dimension era anymore. This have to be an optical affair, we are fighting a war in the age of technology, that's what the Vietnam example brings, or the war in Afghanistan brings, we didn't lose both war because of our arse being kicked by Vietcong or Taliban, we lost because the image coming into our TV are exactly align with what the government told us, that's how optics works.

As for Fordo, do you really think the US know nothing about the effectiveness of the strike? They wouldn't tell you because they wouldn't, not because they didn't know, in this day and age, we are no longer require to have boots on the ground to do BDA, drones and sensor or even satellite can do the job for us, if Fordo weren't destroy, they will go at it again, whether or not Iran show them, the only different is, if Iran show them the strike did nothing, it humiliate the American and the Israeli.
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Again I have to disagree, the better psychological warfare would be to let your enemy guess whether they achieve the objective or not, now there are voice coming from US questioning about the effectiveness of US strikes, so again there is no ZERO nada obligation for either US or Iran to prove their claims, America is happy they destroy Fordo and Iran is happy that the damage was minimal, Win win for both I guess. Honestly I don't trust either American Govt or Iran in the matter, I stand that there must be damage to the facility to some degree but how much is something I don't know nor will anyone. Even if Iran release a video it can be highly edited or it could be old or it can be from parts where there is no damage so we are not knowing the actual truth or real damage.

Again Afghanistan has no relevance, you weren't fighting a Army with Tanks or Air force where you outsmart them, or beat them with your skills, you were fighting rag tag militia with pick up trucks and AK-47's in B2 bombers and Tanks, Taliban was not a Army and yet they not only survive but took Kabul so quickly that it if not defeat US but surely humiliate them, I don't support Taliban at all but that's the truth and you can twist it as much as you like to suit your narrative. In this war no one is thinking about Optics at least not Iran, they were attacked and have no choice, US is being a lap dog of Israel fighting yet another war which goes against its national interests, unfortunately the politicians in DC makes people believe that Protecting Israel is better to made enemies with 20+ nations in the region by killing civilians and changing regimes, even a layman can see that Arabs today if combined can outmatch the Israel's weight to serve US interest in Middle Easy, but the reason US can't do it because of how Israel holds the American political system hostage, but thats not the topic.

Again, if you are trying to make a argument that Americans know the damage because of technology then why not take Iranians word for it ? they are in fact on ground and have better visual than any satellite image, but you will say Iran has motivation to lie but then so does America to prove its victory and success of the strikes, If Iran shows videos of fordo and brag about the facility been intact that can prompt yet another attack from America, right now things between US/Iran is at stalemate, US attacked Iran and claim victory, Iran is waiting for its retaliation but both sides have made their claims.

My entire Argument lies on the fact that how American comes here on PDF as "Neutral" to any war and ended up with extreme bias and parroting the Israeli propaganda, I've never seen one American and trust me I am a long lasting PDF member from the times of when I was in Pakistan, not one American here which have sided with the narrative of Muslims, yes some will show sympathy and remorse but even they will hold the preconceived bias on any conflict in the middle east which includes the west or Israel. That is why I stopped taking American opinion here seriously because at first it looked ok, than it becomes consistent and boring and now its just annoying and stupid.
 
El Sidd said:
It's best for the US to leave the middle east. The moment it does, it will become great again.

America is too new a nation to understand this ancient barbaric region.
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They've crippled mid-east from within. In order to make the entity rule mid-east and they're doing well so far if you ask me. America rules the mid-east from regime changes to making allies. As much as we hate it, this is the truth.
 
shapurzolaktaf said:
You can react by chanting zindabad Esrael, zidabad wahabiat.
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Israel can go to hell. But Saudia Arab is our friend you guys like it or not. Hopefully Iran will not attack American bases in Saudia Arab. MBS will not tolerate this.
shapurzolaktaf said:
It seems you don't understand the situation, our children and women and infrastructure is attacked by global west and their devil-child israel and some weak arab clans/tribes are hosting them there, pointing their weapons towards Iran. No qataris will be harmed or killed, this is just a warning.
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I understand the grave situation Iran is going thru it but Iran cannot fight US and Israel at the same time. No one can. May be China but that's it. Iran should reserve their energies fighting Israel only. Now involving GCC, you guys are falling straight into the trap of Israelis and US.
 
StormBreaker said:
Guess what? Iran backstabbed the only Arab nation that stood up for it, had to cut ties with its GCC neighbours.

Look how they repay
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Hosting American bases that belong to a nation that has declared war on you are legitimate targets. Iran should continue targeting all GCC countries. Even sending commando raids to do what MOSSAD did in Iran. Tit for tat.
 
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Its calm now. Attack begin at approx 7:30 pm. Went for 40-50 mints.
 
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