Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Mutakalim]

The issue here is Israel has complete coverage in Iran, he can literally attack anywhere in Iran, while Iran need to punch thru Israeli Air Defence, even if we can keep the ceasefire for a few month (which they already violated by the way) you are talking about the situation either unchanged because US will simply resupply Israel but can Iran make missile faster than US making interceptor? We will get back to the same place as today if Iran can make interceptor faster than the US, otherwise you are going to run out of missile before Israel ran out of interceptor, bear in mind US defence industry are untouched, and Iranian missile site had been targetted.

Just to add to your point. It would be an upscale battle for Iran to match the production rates with US and Israel and at the same time rebuild their Air defenses and other equipment.

This will be a temporary and short lived ceasefire as Israel has not achieved all of hers objectives.

 

[PakAl]

China was not allowed to sell to Iran before.
Things have changed.

What has changed for the past 12 days. What are you talking about?

 

[tsunset]

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[mangekyo]

All that is great.

But you guys better learn from your mistakes (too).

If you can't compete with !sraeli F-35's strolling into your Airspace like its their backyard, it would be wise to get some quality AD Systems from China - if Russia can't help.

I'm sure the recent conflict between Pakistan/India has proven that China Equipment is just as good as the West. I'd be wise to invest in some of that & keep that RadioShack dinosaur-age crap away.

Believe me, even if their is a Ceasefire - those F-35s' will be flying over every night for reconnaissance & you guys have no way of knowing they are there.

They aren’t willing to sell. At least they haven’t in the past and I don’t see that changing anytime soon

 

[German Angst]

Let's cool it now.

Hopefully Israelis begin to become more rational also having experienced real TERROR.

Also, ask yourself if you were born into that society, how would you turn out? Most of us would oblige with the status quo...

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Imagine being that child.
It's a sad state of affairs.

You are right but it is so funny reading that while seeing your profile picture

 

[mangekyo]

Instead of looking inward, Iran must develop and strengthen the Axis of Resistance as well as expand it in addition to its own economic and military development. Secondly, they should develop linkages and joint programs with Sunni resistance movements like Hamas.

Which resistance? Hezbollah said it’s not in their interest to fight, offered 0 support. Iraqi resistance were completely absent. Only one who offered support was Houthi

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Trump pissed off with Israel

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[PakAl]

If we use unclassified CENTCOM data then Iran had 3000 ballistic missiles in 2020 up from 1000 missiles in 2010 indicating annual production rate of 200 missiles per year.

At this rate of production Iran had to produce another 1000 missiles between 2020 and 2025 bringing the total size of its arsenal to 4000 missiles.

Of these 4000 missiles, 150 missiles have been launched during Operation True Promise 1 and True Promise 2 and another 550 missiles during the recent war.

So Iranian missile arsenal at this moment might be around 3300 missiles left of which probably 1300 missiles are short range and 2000 missiles are long range and can reach Israel.

Of these 550 missiles fired most were old liquid fuel missiles produced between 2003 and 2010 with the age between 22-15 years.

Unclassified reports claim after October 2024 Iran produced 50 ballistic missiles per month or 600 missiles per year.

Short range missiles should be phased out and Iran should bring the total arsenal of its long range ballistic missiles (Khaybarshekan) to 12.000 missiles by 2035 in case if Iran has to fight a coalition of US+Israel+Saudi Arabia+UAE+UK+France+Turkey.

To achieve that, Iran must produce 10.000 missiles in the next 10 years or 1000 missiles per year or 83 missiles per month.

1000 Khaybarshekan missiles per year at an average cost of 1mln$ per unit means Iran must spend 1bln$ per year on ballistic missiles.

After this war, Iran should increase its military spendings to minimum 4,5-5% of GDP.

What about the claim of 100,000 ballistic missiles? This seems too less. Iran needs atleast 10,000 missiles ready to defend itself, if only Iranian multiple rocket launchers could reach Israel.

 

[Cash gk]

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@Musings your favorite

 

[Trailer23]

They aren’t willing to sell. At least they haven’t in the past and I don’t see that changing anytime soon

Now would be a good time to use the Pakistan card...

Lord knows what good the Iran-India friendship has gotten you guys out of this War - other than a bunch of spies.

I think China gets a lot of Oil from Iran.

 

[El Sidd]

I cannot take another week of who requested who for whose ceasefire.

 

[tsunset]

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[shapurzolaktaf]

I have been in Afghanistan few times, and yes, many are ready to do anything for 200$...that's wealthy sum for them...ircg employed a lot of them, I thing that only "real" proxy unit of IRGC is afagani-based...

Clear now how mossad so much penetrated IRGC and how proud Iranians are selling themselves for few hundreds % ...

It will not be easy cleaning-house process; but all traitors must be neutralized...

When nepotism and corruption is allowed to increase by our dear leader and thiefs like shamkhani and ghalibaf, it's very easy for mossad to enter the game.
I've been saying this for more than 10 years. This system always runs behind the facts, passive, never pro-active. Bunch of clerical thugs put in certain positions instead of fierce nationalists and technocrats.
Same reason for losing Syria to bunch of terrorists.

 

[ShapurII]

Which resistance? Hezbollah said it’s not in their interest to fight, offered 0 support. Iraqi resistance were completely absent. Only one who offered support was Houthi

Hezbollah betrayed us. It's time to throw them under the bus.
Not only Iraqi resistance did nothing, but the Iraqi sky was like an 8-lane expressway for the Israeli Air Force to move back and forth from Israel to Iran. They exerted zero pressure on their government for this.
Hamas and Palestinians stayed away completely. This could've been an opportunity for a new intifada. We could've hit Israel's anti-riot and police forces to help them, but the Palestinians were unwilling to participate in the war, it seems. Hamas didn't even fire rockets during the war. I don't blame the Palestinians though, they've been through a lot in the last 2 years, but they missed an opportunity.

Only the Houthies of Yemen proved to be at least potentially useful, even though one could argue that they didn't do much besides firing a single missile (maybe two?) during the war, but still, they showed willingness to help us. That's more than what the other members of the so-called "Axis of Resistance" did.

 

[mangekyo]

Hezbollah betrayed us. It's time to throw them under the bus.
Not only Iraqi resistance did nothing, but the Iraqi sky was like an 8-lane expressway for the Israeli Air Force to move back and forth from Israel to Iran. They exerted zero pressure on their government for this.
Hamas and Palestinians stayed away completely. This could've been an opportunity for a new intifada. We could've hit Israel's anti-riot and police forces to help them, but the Palestinians were unwilling to participate in the war, it seems. Hamas didn't even fire rockets during the war. I don't blame the Palestinians though, they've been through a lot in the last 2 years, but they missed an opportunity.

Only the Houthies of Yemen proved to be at least potentially useful, even though one could argue that they didn't do much besides firing a single missile (maybe two?) during the war, but still, they showed willingness to help us. That's more than what other so-called "Axis of Resistance" did.

Hezbollah, HAMAS and Iraqis thought we would lose the war and saw no reason to join the «losing side»