Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Master Chief]

Hezbollah betrayed us. It's time to throw them under the bus.
Not only Iraqi resistance did nothing, but the Iraqi sky was like an 8-lane expressway for the Israeli Air Force to move back and forth from Israel to Iran. They exerted zero pressure on their government for this.
Hamas and Palestinians stayed away completely. This could've been an opportunity for a new intifada. We could've hit Israel's anti-riot and police forces to help them, but the Palestinians were unwilling to participate in the war, it seems. Hamas didn't even fire rockets during the war. I don't blame the Palestinians though, they've been through a lot in the last 2 years, but they missed an opportunity.

Only the Houthies of Yemen proved to be at least potentially useful, even though one could argue that they didn't do much besides firing a single missile (maybe two?) during the war, but still, they showed willingness to help us. That's more than what the other members of the so-called "Axis of Resistance" did.

Bit harsh surely? Hamas and Hezbollah are a bit flattened right now.

 

[max]

Now for Iran to move towards a win would be to kick out IAEA inspectors and leave the NPT, if those two things are done quickly, nuclear ambiguity will be applied to Iran

Do that after testing functional nuclear device. No need to act retarded Infront of whole world. Withdrawing from NPT will make unnecessary noise and problems for Iran. First do the homework then do your big mouth show.

 

[Watandar]

Especially now after they did nothing. People are going to ask what all that money was for

Hamas and PIJ are fighting for their life in Gaza. Hezbollah was destroyed last year. I dont know what you were expecting from these groups, especially when Israel was using its air force mostly to attack. If you read the free article I posted previously, Netanyahu decided to attack Iran last year after he perceived Iranian allies surrounding him to be weak or finished. So these groups were indeed a deterrent to Israel and its Iranian leadership fault to not believe they would be attacked next.

It is also the fault of Iranian leadership and allies to not recognize that Israel was moving away from land warfare and towards drones and air force post 2006 Lebanon war.

 

[El Sidd]

I don't know exactly but I'm almost sure tajiks and hazaras. Iran is the land of free, you can do whatever you want, black/grey economy, not pay tax, sneak into the country, go back, come back etc.

Iranian treatment given to Afghans trying to illegally enter Persia is legendary among psycho right nut Pakistanis who took great pleasure when Iran put them in cages and mistreat them.

failed regime change operation

Question time:

how many of the original revolutionary leaders are left from 1979? I think people are underestimating losses of leadership personnel to a revolution.

 

[mangekyo]

 

[mangekyo]

Hamas and PIJ are fighting for their life in Gaza. Hezbollah was destroyed last year. I dont know what you were expecting from these groups, especially when Israel was using its air force mostly to attack. If you read the free article I posted previously, Netanyahu decided to attack Iran last year after he perceived Iranian allies surrounding him to be weak or finished. So these groups were indeed a deterrent to Israel and its Iranian leadership fault to not believe they would be attacked next.

It is also the fault of Iranian leadership and allies to not recognize that Israel was moving away from land warfare and towards drones and air force post 2006 Lebanon war.

Problem is that we have a common enemy but not a common goal. The goal of hezbollah is to resist Israeli occupation. As long as there’s no occupation, they have nothing to fight for. HAMAS wants freedom, if they believe they can’t liberate themselves, they have nothing to fight for.

 

[mulj]

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Above ground assets are at risk because of the nature of modern warfare with its satellites, BMs, BVR missiles and drones. Vulnerable nations should all consider adapting and shifting military production and assets into safer ecosystems.

Imagine having Tolkien's Erebor for this purpose.

Iranians predicted that but plans are one thing war realities are differing with plans and correcting them.
Who knows how many missiles and vehicles have been trapped in their underground bases by simply bombing and controlling surface entrances, they have been lucky and due their large stocks they could fire back without those but at higher risk for crews and vehicles.

 

[Cash gk]

A 86 Year Old stand against 86 nations to defend Islam. I am not shia but I admire this man he is brave.

 

[j_hungary]

I had 'replied' to your points multiple times but, in your typical very VERBOSE style, you kept harping on drawing a parallel Iran and those poor little Arab countries and militias. And you totally, maybe intentionally, missing the point that Trump has indeed said a 'NO' to Netanyahu by not getting too involved; Netanyahu's entire gamble rested on the full American involvement but instead Trump is visibly angry with Israel.
It is not my own style to say things again and again, unlike you do. Communicating with you: Either I get a headache or I just skip your posts in this thread! <The Missing Hitting the Brickwall Emoji Here!>

Again, how is Trump saying NO when he sent 3 B-2 bombers a few days after he was asked to do it?

I don't know what you meant by "getting involved." I will say bombing a country that had not done anything to you is seriously "getting involved", but then you read your own label.

And again, you are NOT compelled to reply to my post if you disagree on what I said, I certainly won't

 

[j_hungary]

Just to add to your point. It would be an upscale battle for Iran to match the production rates with US and Israel and at the same time rebuild their Air defenses and other equipment.

This will be a temporary and short lived ceasefire as Israel has not achieved all of hers objectives.

I don't think Israel is done, but apparently, a lot of people here think they are. and US is not getting involved, even if we already did.......

 

[Pakistani Dragon]

Either you are too naive or closing your eyes from reality. If Pakistan didn’t have the nukes, America would have bombed us in 2001 when they came into Afghanistan. Our situation is very different to Iran. We are not Iran who claims that nuclear bomb is haram, happy to join NPT, happy for IAEA to visit nuclear site and confirm that the uranium is being enriched at 3.6% back in the days of Obama’s nuclear deal with Iran. About Pakistan, We are a recognised nuclear state who claims that our nuclear program is for our safety and we will nuke anyone who dares come near us… similar to the stance of India, UK and the USA.

As the Defence Minister declared, "Our nuclear weapons are not for show only."

Even during Black Hitler's Administration, despite all the pressure on Pakistan, all the international isolation, encouraging India to attack Pakistan, helping Afghans to attack Pakistan, threatening support for Baloch separatism, despite all that the American officials would still say, they couldn't take more action against Pakistan simply because Pakistan has nuclear weapons.

 

[ghazi52]

Iran's president also acknowledges ceasefire
BBC​

Reuters

Iran's president has issued a statement acknowledging a ceasefire with Israel, the country's state media reports.

Masoud Pezeshkian says that the conflict was "imposed" on Iran by Israel's "adventurism" and claims that "people of Iran" determined the end of the "12-day war".

 

[redgriffin]

Yes it does according to all international intelligence

You have no idea about the person you are trying to correct here or the extent of his knowledge. Enough said.

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

Turkey stood firm during the 2016 coup attempt, with its people taking to the streets and its leadership refusing to bow down.

Turks had charted their path, been on it and re-elected Erdogan because he delivered. The apparatus had matured!

• Iran faced relentless attack by America, Israel and West and sanctions, sabotage, assassinations, and cyber attacks — yet its system didn’t collapse, nor did it hand over its sovereignty.

Iran has been playing as disruptor and de facto regional power in Mideast countering the implant. Especially after Iraq, the only Arab state with mass and resources. Gulf Arabs are a nonentity. They have thrown money after western causes... so lined-up and insync with zion.
That being said it came this close for Iran and made it through... I'd not discuss the numerous vulnerabilities and half measures that made it more painful than it should have been.

And then there’s Pakistan…

Got lemons? Make lemonade!
The point you miss is that Pakistan unlike both Turkiye and Iran does NOT have and never had power vested in political discourse. It is a circus for public consumption. So, the power lies behind the scenes... removing a political head may break the hearts of the zealots but for the system they are expendable! For the continuity and perseverance of the state. Which is why I never comment on any political party or their opinion... though people here have strong loyalties to their parties... that represent NOTHING! Have no values... represent theater and bickering. It is a literal waste of time!

 

[ghazi52]

IDF acknowledges ceasefire and says focus shifts back to Gaza
BBC​

Reuters

The Israeli military has released a statement acknowledging a ceasefire with Iran and saying "now the focus shifts back to Gaza".

Chief of the General Staff, Lieutenant General Eyal Zamir, says the military has "concluded a significant phase, but the campaign against Iran is not over".

"We are entering a new phase based on the achievements of the current one. We’ve set Iran’s nuclear project back by years, and the same applies to its missile programme," he says.

He describes actions taken by the Israeli military as a "phenomenal achievement", adding: "Now the focus shifts back to Gaza – to bring the hostages home and to dismantle the Hamas regime."