Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

arjunk said:
My 2 cents:

- Publicly end nuclear program in exchange for end of sanctions. Revive RCD cooperation with Pakistan and Turkey. The stronger the economy, the more difficult it is for traitors to be bribed with passports to developed countries

- End hostile proxy militant programs in neighbouring countries and mend relations with them. Syrians despise Assad, Lebanese are tired of Hezbollah, Pakistan is wary of Zaynaboun. Don't be like India, a friendless obnoxious country hated by its neighbours to the extent it made Bangladesh and Pakistan become friends again. Turkey and Pakistan can use their influence on Azerbaijan to mend relations with Iran and resolve disputes.

- I don't think Iran should sever relations with India or anything like that, but Iranians seriously need to introspect as to why their government sucks up to a country that has shamelessly back-stabbed Iran so many times, especially at the expense of close relations with Pakistan/China.

- Mass production of Fatah-2 (Iranian Hypersonic Missile) and launchers. Disperse across Iran. Jointly produce with some facilities ``in Pakistan so Israel cannot hit production facilities and missiles/launchers can be supplied Ukraine-style in the event of a long war.

- Mass produce MIRV conventional ballistic missiles. Most countries cannot do this due to nuclear implications, but a non-nuclear Iran is in a unique position to leverage unstoppable MIRV BMs for conventional strikes.

- Join PFX (JF-17 upgrade) program with Turkey and Pakistan to mass produce an 'Islamic' 4.5 gen fighter. And join KAAN program to produce an 'Islamic' 5th Gen fighter. China has an exceptional relationship with Pakistan, don't expect it to be extended to the rest of the world. Remember China has its own disagreements with Turkey and Iran (over Uighurs and BLA attacks on CPEC/Gwadar).
- Initiate multiple joint Turk-Iran-Pak programs to develop anti-stealth radars and other military tech.

- Aim for an air force of ~300 PFX/Thunder + ~ 128 KAAN. Get ~24 Chinese/Russian refuellers to sustain prolonged ops across the region

- Aim for ~10 awacs (Chinese, but if they're understandably not willing to sell their best to Iran, in the long run a turk-iran-pak system can be developed and installed on a cargo/business/passenger jet). Pakistani awacs can cover south and west iran.

- Build a large submarine force. Iran cannot conduct sea control ops against USN, but Iran can do sea denial ops like China. Work with Turkey and Pakistan to build a navy and form an allied ELINT network from Kuwait to Kutch.

- Pakistani air/missile/logistic bases in Iran, will not only serve as strategic depth against India, but also as safe heavens for air defence, much like the US is for Israel. Whoops, our HQ-9B/P and EW systems intercepted those Israeli projectiles headed to our base's general direction! Although Pakistan may not be able to sustain a long supply of interceptions, we can blunt a surprise attack like the one Iran faced on day one of this war.

- Deep undeground supply tunnels between Iran and Pakistan to evacuate Iranian VVIPs and high value assets to safety (and vice versa)

- Work towards reducing sectarian politics and ethno nationalism, aiming for a pan-islamic alliance (radical mullahs, kemalists, and far leftist elites will be the most difficult groups to clamp down on)

- Mass cleansing of traitors and corrupt officials

- Joint operations against JuA, Fitna al Hindustan, Taliban, ISIS-K, etc.

below per @OldTwilight

-Buy 100-150 HQ-16 30-50 HQ-22

-rebuild all OTH radar ,

-produce new 3th Khordad and 9th Day systems along with Bavar 373 ,

-buy more S300-PMU2 / S400

-ask for joint production of JF-17

-immediate purchase of 100-150 J10C , should continue purchase of Su-35
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Good post, Iran now has an opportunity to complete change its socioeconomic situation with national unity achieved temporarily, I hope the mullahs are smart.
 
SolarWarden said:
This should put to bed the stupid narrative Mossad has video of Trump (Epstein) by some delusional folks in here. Bibi won't survive politically I think Trump is over him Fordow is gone Iran won't be able to enrich to nuke standard so it's over.

What did Isreal think was going to happen when they launched a huge strike at Tehran after agreeing to ceasefire that Iran would just sit on its hands until ceasefire time? Fk no they played Israel by launching couple of minutes before deadline putting them in an awkward position. Iran got the last slap in and it pissed off Israel and almost got the Orange bull really pissed off. Don't piss off a powerful man with a huge ego especially after agreeing with him. This really could have not ended well for Israel if bombs started dropping over Iran.

The planes are over Iran to give them a friendly wave totally reminded me when I was a little boy and would get into a fight with another boy at a B-day party and my mom would force me to shake hands and say sorry. That was total grabbing the hand tightly as mom gives you that look as she tells you to make up. :ROFLMAO:
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Just before timed moment Iran made devastating impact with 6 deceased and many injured...and impact on the buildings is scary to see... yes, Israel inflicted more deaths, I know that number of deaths is orgazmic for zionists, but Iran punched back till the very end, and strikes back like young version of Mike Tyson, unprecedented in the entity's modest history timeline, unexpected, and they are just coming back to punch again, they are still lethal, they are still powerful, and unstoppable for tiny entity, few to penetrate is already serious damage to midget, while Iran is entire west Europe combined large in territory, 10 times more numerous...

And Israel for every action will get reactions in same, devastating manner...Israel is half of Tehran, so for Iranian Army even small effectiveness is enormous for the entity...

Be sure that Iran will hit hard next time, just give them a reason...
 
Blueishere said:
Good post, Iran now has an opportunity to complete change its socioeconomic situation with national unity achieved temporarily, I hope the mullahs are smart.
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They should let it become a normal republic but guide it so it keeps the values of the ayatollahs and not the expats who some of them look like total sell outs, completely 5th gen warfare conquered. They would hand Iran to Israel on a platter and country would be looted.

Taliban have the same issue in Afghanistan.

It's fascinating how both countries are so alike. Iranian society is a lot more developed than Afghan society. They should just go for the transition because its one less attack vector the west can aim at.
 
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Like I've said before, with a bad economy you don't even have to bribe people with a lot of money. But the Afghan border needs to be fully closed at this point, shoot anyone crossing on sight.
 
tsunset said:
This wasn't a question of AD "quality", but the infiltrators that destroyed a major part of AD systems within Iran

Iran has solid AD designs, but it needs to protect them from insider ATGMs/drones and produce them in bigger numbers. But HQ-19 or S-400 would always be beneficial to mix the IADS and shuffle Iranian systems with Chinese and Russian ones, just like China does with its HQ-9 and S-400
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Given that no Israeli jets were shot down anywhere(3-4 large drones), i think Iran needs to be pragmatic over how effective the local AD designs are, and what gaps they may need to plug externally. They will need to supplement local designs, with external procurement from China ( and not Russia because their stuff just doesn't work !!! ) to close capability gaps.
 
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IRI will ignore it because they are desperate for ceasefire and surrender
 
German Angst said:
You are spreading so much rubbish in this thread about Pakistan being next. Stop posting that Bullshit everytime.

There are so many differences between Pakistan and Iran.

- Pakistan already got nukes
- Pakistan has a reliable lifeline in China
- Pakistan is not threatening to nuke Israel
- Pakistan isn‘t isolated internationally, on the contrary got good relations to many countries in the world.
- Pakistan is totally different gravy military-wise
- Pakistan only gets dangerous if it becomes unstable aka the military is weakened.
- Pakistan got a lifeline in China (again because that solely makes everything you say fantasy)

Stop that nonsense please
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all of that stuff is useless when we have people like you
 
Cash gk said:
Yes I agree. There’s a very difference between Pakistan and Iran their army fought like lions and defended their leaders but our general surrendered their prime minister and putted him in prison
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You will upset a lot of peoples here 🤣🤣
 
Vapnope said:
The lesson here is that global south should unite for the benefit of their people and respective countries. We have seen how the absence of a strong bloc helps the established bloc of EU or NATO for that purpose.

I really liked what our DGISPR said that we can all grow together instead of trying to hurt each other.
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There is no global south, we fought alone and there was no help to begin with ...
Even now, it seems we are our own, we must rebuild our strength by ourselves ...
 
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