Iran Plans to Buy Chinese J-10C Instead of Russian Su-35

[OldTwilight]

China will not sell the jets until sanctions are removed which they won´t be and China will protect their air defense industry from second sanctions.

Iran should first rather focus on removing the sanctions

We already enter new phase of hostility with the west , they won't remove any sanctions.

And it's funny , China would not dare to sell us anything in fear of secondary sanction by USA , while we need the fighters for fight against USA ...

 

[vmro]

which sanction?

From French Western African Union...And German Mercedes lobby in Beijing

 

[vmro]

We already enter new phase of hostility with the west , they won't remove any sanctions.

And it's funny , China would not dare to sell us anything in fear of secondary sanction by USA , while we need the fighters for fight against USA ...

You must be kidding me if you get anything posted there seriously

 

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[ShapurII]

doesn't matter, even we if purchase anything from China , we should not cancel the su 35 deal.

we should get those anyway, or else force Russian to payback the money alongside the interest fee . if we cancel the deal , Russians won't give back our money

Have we paid them already?

 

[Tariq Habib Afridi]

doesn't matter, even we if purchase anything from China , we should not cancel the su 35 deal.

we should get those anyway, or else force Russian to payback the money alongside the interest fee . if we cancel the deal , Russians won't give back our money

Instead demanding payback from Russia, i would suggest ask for s400 batteries or if they can provide you s500? or Iran can asked to give NOC for China J16? if they gave NOC that will be a game changer for Iran.

 

[OldTwilight]

Instead demanding payback from Russia, i would suggest ask for s400 batteries or if they can provide you s500? or Iran can asked to give NOC for China J16? if they gave NOC that will be a game changer for Iran.

we need the fighters, IF RUSSIAN DIDNT deliver anything, then we have to demand payback ...

You must be kidding me if you get anything posted there seriously

I'm serious

 

[Tariq Habib Afridi]

we need the fighters, IF RUSSIAN DIDNT deliver anything, then we have to demand payback ...



I'm serious

Meanwhile you fast track fighters from china? also if Russia allows you for J16? isnt there any better 4.5+ fighter than J16 for iran?

 

[OldTwilight]

Meanwhile you fast track fighters from china? also if Russia allows you for J16? isnt there any better 4.5+ fighter than J16 for iran?

This has 2 sides, Iran and producers ( Russia , China ) .
We don't have cash at hand right now, Russia can't finance us and China is not willing to put herself on danger because of Iran.

Anyway, buying 60 su-35 and then buying 140 J10C would be ideal, especially if we could buy AWACS and Refuelers from China ...

After that buying J35AE and then joint production of Checkmate with Russia would be ideal for us.

and all of these are just our wishful thinkings ...

 

[MH.Yang]

This has 2 sides, Iran and producers ( Russia , China ) .
We don't have cash at hand right now, Russia can't finance us and China is not willing to put herself on danger because of Iran.

Anyway, buying 60 su-35 and then buying 140 J10C would be ideal, especially if we could buy AWACS and Refuelers from China ...

After that buying J35AE and then joint production of Checkmate with Russia would be ideal for us.

and all of these are just our wishful thinkings ...

Iran and Pakistan are different, Iran does not need Su-35 or J-16, and Iran does not need heavy strike platforms.

Pakistan has air superiority, but is threatened by BrahMos missiles, so they need heavy strike platforms. Iran does not have air superiority, but it possesses a large number of missiles that can strike targets within Israel.

Therefore, Iran only needs air superiority fighter jets to guard its airspace and allow its missile forces to carry out strike missions. Also, Iran does not require all fighter jets to be frontline fighters. Iran can use a large number of relatively cheap JF-17b3 to maintain the number of pilots and perform patrol and other tasks, Save the service life of high-end fighter jets. If war breaks out, these pilots can directly pilot high-end fighter jets with external assistance when necessary.

Iran's military budget is not wealthy and should not be used indiscriminately.

Moreover, the quality of the Israeli Air Force is much higher than that of the Indian Air Force, and the KJ-500 cannot meet Iran's demand for air superiority. Iran should do everything possible to obtain KJ-3000. KJ-3000 is the only aircraft in the world that uses 4G radar Ga2O3 AESA. The Ga2O3 AESA used in KJ-3000 can lock stealth fighter jets within 300km and non stealth fighter jets within 1200km.

 

[Developereo]

Russia at least kept the Assad regime afloat for a whole decade until Putin can no longer afford the distraction

in hindsight, the fall of Syria has turned out to be a major blow to the Resistance, Israel was able to seize the time window, thoroughly bombed military equipments left by Russians and the Syrian army, including SAMs such as the S-300. as a result, IAF tankers were able to fly above Syria unchallenged, giving their jets easy access to Iranian airspace

You are proving my point.

Russia kept Assad afloat only to be a thorn in Turkey's side. He was never a threat to Israel and would never have been allowed to become one. Russia made sure of that and abandoned him when a secret deal was made with President-elect Trump to trade Iran/Syria for Ukraine.

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

The reason the USA forbids sale the F-22 is likely because the F-22's avionics are so outdated ......

F-22's avionics are recently upgraded with latest technologies with the upgradation of APG-77

And when USA designing/developing F-22's avionics you're copying Soviet jets designs, your PLAAF has still 80% to 90% based on Russian/Soviet designs

 

[ety]

Iran and Pakistan are different, Iran does not need Su-35 or J-16, and Iran does not need heavy strike platforms.

Pakistan has air superiority, but is threatened by BrahMos missiles, so they need heavy strike platforms. Iran does not have air superiority, but it possesses a large number of missiles that can strike targets within Israel.

Therefore, Iran only needs air superiority fighter jets to guard its airspace and allow its missile forces to carry out strike missions. Also, Iran does not require all fighter jets to be frontline fighters. Iran can use a large number of relatively cheap JF-17b3 to maintain the number of pilots and perform patrol and other tasks, Save the service life of high-end fighter jets. If war breaks out, these pilots can directly pilot high-end fighter jets with external assistance when necessary.

Iran's military budget is not wealthy and should not be used indiscriminately.

Moreover, the quality of the Israeli Air Force is much higher than that of the Indian Air Force, and the KJ-500 cannot meet Iran's demand for air superiority. Iran should do everything possible to obtain KJ-3000. KJ-3000 is the only aircraft in the world that uses 4G radar Ga2O3 AESA. The Ga2O3 AESA used in KJ-3000 can lock stealth fighter jets within 300km and non stealth fighter jets within 1200km.

There is no way China is going to sell the strategic pinnacle AWACS KJ-3000 to anyone, that is only in the testing stage in China now.

 

[MH.Yang]

F-22's avionics are recently upgraded with latest technologies with the upgradation of APG-77

And when USA designing/developing F-22's avionics you're copying Soviet jets designs, your PLAAF has still 80% to 90% based on Russian/Soviet designs

Has the APG-77 of F22 upgraded its hardware, or has it only optimized its software and modified its waveform?

The aviation technology of Russia and the United States has played a significant role in the development of aviation technology in China. We are grateful to them, they are our teachers. However, teachers may not always be stronger than students.

 

[lightning f57]

There is allot debate and conjecture in this thread but little substance of reality.