Iran Plans to Buy Chinese J-10C Instead of Russian Su-35

[Developereo]

Actually, I think Trump was speaking publicly that he needs Putin's help to deal with Iran problem before he took office and vowed to help Putin end the Ukraine war.

I don't trust any public statements by Trump or Putin (or any other leader, for that matter).

 

[Rational Philosopher]

Let us say that Israel decides to attack any J-10 entering Iranian airspace, regardless of the nationality of the pilots.

Realistically, what can China do?

What if China decides to militarily respond? Are we going to pretend that it's an irrelevant power?

 

[Developereo]

What if China decides to militarily respond? Are we going to pretend that it's an irrelevant power?

China is itching to taunt the US in China's own neighborhood because it feels it can win a limited war in that geographical context, but China knows it is no match for the US far from home.

Neither China nor Russia nor anyone else has global power projection in the same league as the US.

 

[Rational Philosopher]

China is itching to taunt the US in China's own neighborhood because it feels it can win a limited war in that geographical context, but China knows it is no match for the US far from home.

Neither China nor Russia nor anyone else has global power projection in the same league as the US.

China doesn't need to leave its own neighbourhood.

China has several magnitudes of numbers more missiles than Iran, and several magnitudes more capable. If China responded with a missile barrage, Israel would struggle to intercept it. Those HGV warheads are no joke.

Anyway this is all hypothetically unlikely, no point in discussing it.

 

[Khorasan Black Flags]

@Persian Gulf

please close the thread.

Or ban the gambit the zionist rat women & children killer from our section

 

[enroger]

Let us say that Israel decides to attack any J-10 entering Iranian airspace, regardless of the nationality of the pilots.

Realistically, what can China do?

I don't think China will sell J-10C to Iran due to Iran's serious security breach.

However if J-10C does goes to Iran and there is a real possibility of Israeli interception then the J-10C's will be escorted by J-20 + KJ-500.

What can Israel do about it? Sacrifice their entire air force just to intercept those planes?

Anyway, let this thread die people. This is just unverified and very unlikely to be true

 

[PakAl]

These alliances are by the rulers. If you ask the people throughout the Muslim world, they would favor a unified Muslim stance because Muslims keep getting killed by the millions.

That is why I mentioned a single strong Muslim country. In this age of social media, the sycophantic visionless Muslim rulers would be humbled and shamed in front of their own public if there was a strong Muslim country that could stand up for Muslim rights.

Imran Khan tried to do that but Pakistan does not have the economic and military strength to match his rhetoric. Neither do we have the technological base to run in the global race, and Imran Khan's government turned out to be just as incompetent and corrupt as his predecessors'.

China has gone beyond the call of friendship to help us out but nobody can help someone until they want to help themselves.

Muslim public only can do the talk but not the walk. I understand Iraq and Afghanistan were directly invaded by Nato but who caused the civil wars in Syria, Yemen, Libya, Sudan etc, it was the Muslims with big beards themselves, who acted like mercenaries to divide and destroy Muslim nations, these people have millions of followers on Facebook Youtube etc doing propaganda for them. I personally believe "Rulers are the reflection of its people" If Muslim public was effective then our states would be effective too, it's as simple as that.

 

[Developereo]

I personally believe "Rulers are the reflection of its people" If Muslim public was effective then our states would be effective too, it's as simple as that.

If Muslim rulers reflected their public then Muslim countries would have true democracy. They do not, for a reason.

Anyway, this is off topic.

 

[大汉奸柳传志]

What do you want Xi to do ? Like Putin sent Russian soldiers, Xi ought to had sent Chinese soldiers to fight in Syrian civil war on Assad side ? That was probably could had saved Assad regime. But, that's unrealistic, China probably never will send soldiers to fight in far way lands.

I don't see why not, there has to be a time when China steps out of its comfort zone, drops the non alignment doctrine and non interventionism. time has changed and it calls for a total paradigm shift. Even NK adapted to the new era quicker than us! Remember, we pretended to be a harmless businessman to fool the Americans, but end up growing into the character.

but Assad, he only wanted some money to fund his troops.. and he didn't even get that.

"Do you have oil?" I would imagine that's what Xi asked him

 

[ety]

I don't see why not, there has to be a time when China steps out of its comfort zone, drops the non alignment doctrine and non interventionism. time has changed and it calls for a total paradigm shift. Even NK adapted to the new era quicker than us! Remember, we pretended to be a harmless businessman to fool the Americans, but end up growing into the character.

but Assad, he only wanted some money to fund his troops.. and he didn't even get that.

"Do you have oil?" I would imagine that's what Xi asked him

But, China is no NK, China is much more independent. And you are not the leader of China as majority of Chinese too that don't want China to get involved militarily in far away lands. One report I read is that that Xi was ready to put more money to invest in Syria after Assad visit since he signed to BRI, but Russia and Iran stopped it.

 

[大汉奸柳传志]

One report I read is that that Xi was ready to put more money to invest in Syria after Assad visit since he signed to BRI, but Russia and Iran stopped it.

that is how the bloody propaganda works!! same way Russia is painted a ''zionist loving traitor'' and still many gullible folks here are falling for it!

 

[Ali_Baba]

Back in WW II, the best way to destroy enemy air is NOT in the air but ON THE GROUND. And nothing has changed since then.

I hope the Iranian Air Force hire you as consultant.


You obviously have not learned what I repeatedly posted...SINCE 2009...

- Air Dominance. The ability of an air force to compel other air forces to rearray themselves, usually into subordinate postures.

- Air Superiority. The ability of an air force to achieve control of contested airspace, repeatedly if necessary, and if there are losses, those losses would not pose a statistical deterrence to that ability.

- Air Supremacy. He flies, he dies.

Which part of 'Air Superiority' do you not understand?

Is Iranian airspace contested? Yes.

Have the Israelis lost any fighter in Iranian airspace? No.

So where is the statistical deterrence? None.

Is non persistence air superiority matter in this situation? Not even an atom's worth. So what if Israel is too far from Iran? The point is that if/when the Israeli Air Force is in Iranian sovereign airspace, nothing happens to them. It is only because of distance that the Israeli Air Force does not have 'Air Supremacy' over Iran: if an Iranian pilot flies, he dies.

Again, I hope the Iranian Air Force hires YOU as consultant.

Israel right now has the advantage. Yes. Everyone can see that.

Iran can focus on rebuilding her air force such that he can regain 'Air Dominance', 'Air Superiority', and 'Air Supremacy' over her airspace and work to push Israel back into Syria. There is nothing that stops that other than the decision by the government of Iran to rebuild her air force and to make the financial investments required for that. Iran has the financial resources, and geography to achieve that. Are you seriously suggesting that Iran cannot achieve those goals ?

Your suggestion that Iran cannot obtain those capabilities, because it does not have them now, is absurd. You have not presented anything that suggests those goals are not achievable other than for the immediate timeframe, Iran doesn't have it, so it cannot have it in the future.

 

[gambit]

Iran can focus on rebuilding her air force such that he can regain 'Air Dominance', 'Air Superiority', and 'Air Supremacy' over her airspace and work to push Israel back into Syria. There is nothing that stops that other than the decision by the government of Iran to rebuild her air force and to make the financial investments required for that. Iran has the financial resources, and geography to achieve that. Are you seriously suggesting that Iran cannot achieve those goals ?

Your suggestion that Iran cannot obtain those capabilities, because it does not have them now, is absurd. You have not presented anything that suggests those goals are not achievable other than for the immediate timeframe, Iran doesn't have it, so it cannot have it in the future.

Where in my comment #415 did I made that 'suggestion'?

Post in thread 'Iran Plans to Buy Chinese J-10C Instead of Russian Su-35'

Jul 3, 2025

How many Iranian jets has Israel shot down in this conflict? What has Israel claimed? How many new IAF aces were made in this conflict?

We saw some Tomcats(!!) destroyed on the ground, 3 of them(most of which people have said had been parked there fore years as spare parts sources). And some helicopters, and 1 large boeing. Beyond that, what is the impact on the Iranian Airforce as of now?

If there were lots of air-to-air kills, wouldn't the IAF announced that by now?

Back in WW II, the best way to destroy enemy air is NOT in the air but ON THE GROUND. And nothing has...

• gambit

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You made up what I said and twisted that imaginary comment to save your face.

Now...Who is going to sell to Iran the necessary hardware? The best Iran done is modified some F-5s from single vertical stab to twin canted vertical stabs with hardly any advantages.

What YOU said...

It is not a persistent air superiority because Iran is so far away for Israel.​

You were clearly wrong.

What I said...

- Air Superiority.​

The ability of an air force to achieve control of contested airspace, repeatedly if necessary, and if there are losses, those losses would not pose a statistical deterrence to that ability.​

Is Iranian airspace contested? Yes, as long as Iran say 'airspace is mine', it is contested even virtually.

Can Israel repeatedly achieved 'Air Supremacy' over Iran? Yes, as of now. There is nothing in 'Air Superiority' and 'Air Supremacy' that says there must be persistent presence.

Any casualty? None so far.

As long as the Israeli Air Force can enter Iranian sovereign airspace and encounter no resistance, the Israeli Air Force accomplished that 'repeatedly if necessary' criteria. Nothing about persistent presence.

Contested airspace can exist merely by making a verbal (counter)claim. That is all.

I hope by now EVERYONE understand the importance of a strong and competent air force.

 

[gambit]

I don't think China will sell J-10C to Iran due to Iran's serious security breach.

Fine with me...

However if J-10C does goes to Iran and there is a real possibility of Israeli interception then the J-10C's will be escorted by J-20 + KJ-500.

What can Israel do about it? Sacrifice their entire air force just to intercept those planes?

Is the Parade Line Army (PLA) an expeditionary army? Note, I said 'army' lower case to denote the PLA in general. Anyway, the answer is 'No', that the PLA was not designed to be expeditionary. So if Iran buy the J-10, it will be ferried by Iranian pilots, but what is scary is that the J-10 ferry flight will be escorted by the Israeli Air Force.

 

[bengalcdn]

Fine with me...


Is the Parade Line Army (PLA) an expeditionary army? Note, I said 'army' lower case to denote the PLA in general. Anyway, the answer is 'No', that the PLA was not designed to be expeditionary. So if Iran buy the J-10, it will be ferried by Iranian pilots, but what is scary is that the J-10 ferry flight will be escorted by the Israeli Air Force.

“Parade line army” do you mean the same army which was malnourished under armed but still spanked McArthur so bad he had to retire ? now that same army is modernized and advanced. Can you imagine what will be the outcome today in Korea , Taiwan etc for the Us army ? No wonder trump is begging Xi for talks.