India Lucky Not To Lose More Than Four Rafales

[Corax]

NYTimes analysis concluded minimal damage by fateh missiles. The only damage we did was to take out 6 Indian aircraft which focal neglected to mention

Did NYT "analysis" show you the satellite pics of the indian targets with no damage?

 

[Corax]

Times lied since India didn't allow satellites to take pictures...from space.

NYT did mention loss of aircrafts, just not the numbers.

Did NYT "analysis" show satellite pics of indian targets with no damage?

 

[Corax]

Has Pakistan? Did you invite India or gave brand new pictures of your assets? Just your "words", right? NYT report is based on satellite pics. Welcome to future! Don't blame the messenger! Plenty of renowned military experts bashing India left or right. None of them visited India.

Yes that's right, NYT showed damage to Pakistan airbases, they showed damage to hangars and sheds, but no damaged aircraft, AWACs or other aircraft. Did NYT show similar satellite pics of indian targets?

 

[airhead]

Did NYT "analysis" show you the satellite pics of the indian targets with no damage?

Yes but more damage than what we could inflict

 

[Corax]

Yes but more damage than what we could inflict

Really, could you share those satellite pics of indian targets that show no damage? I haven't seen them yet.

 

[El Sidd]

Really, could you share those satellite pics of indian targets that show no damage? I haven't seen them yet.

if he shares it on PDF, i would advocate for copyright proceeds to equally shared between forum members.

 

[PakistanLVR]

To my fellow Pakistanis, see what I meant when I wanted Pakistan air force to bomb Indian civilian targets during daytime so the whole world see Hindus getting whacked? How are those BS "massive retaliation" strikes turning out now? These hindus were slaves for a 1000 years because you can't give them an inch. They only learn when the whip comes out and then they'll fall at your feet. These Hindus are full bend on destroying Pakistan's infrastructure in order to start their annexation plans. These Hindus expected the whole world to side with them during the fake terrorist attack and when that didn't pan out, they went back to the drawing boards. They are fully in lock step to carry additional strikes on Pakistan while the decision makers think that things will go back chai and cricket with the Indians. They are coming after Pakistan. I get upset when I know how much destruction Lahore and other parts of Pakistan will face in the future because Pakistanis are cowards by nature and refuse to understand who they are dealing with. The establishment are all secular atheist who*es with support from similar minded people in Lahore, Karachi, Islamabad. They didn't bat an eye when mosques were targeted because they didn't want thse "unfortunate" event to impact their wallets and their kids greed cards to the US. I'm disgusted more and more at the non-chalalent extremely cowardly behavior.

 

[airhead]

Really, could you share those satellite pics of indian targets that show no damage? I haven't seen them yet.

I a telling you what nytimes said…that is the same source that has been talking about multiple Rafales down so in my mind it is a relatively unbiased source. No big damage on either sides ..India did inflect some damage to airfields but no evidence of any damage to Indian airfields

 

[safriz]

Indians peddling a new lie.
Somehow their Rafale tricked PAF with a towed decoy , which all PAF PL-15 tracked and hit, sparing the Rafale.
X-Guard made by Israeli company Rafael is being said to be towed by IAF Rafale jets in operation Sindoor.
The thing is X-Guard was never integrated with IAF Rafales. That piece of equipment was never part of Rafale deal with France. IAF dont have access to Rafale Firmware and all new weapon systems need to be qualified and integrated by Dassault of France.
As of now India does not have any X-Guard towed Decoy.

 

[Oscar]

Well.
What can I say now that you have quoted your PM, "Beggars cannot be choosers"?
As for aggression, I, for one, just don't get it. Let's say there is a man standing in front of you wielding a large knife in a very aggressive manner. What would you do?
As for "Unless a weapon is fired – there is no aggression yet." A complete misunderstanding of the international law was infused in the minds of Pakistanis by their leaders because they were reluctant to take action to save the lives of their innocent citizens.

Article 2(4) of the UN Charter​

All Pakistanis on the forum should read the article carefully, please. "threat or use of force". Therefore, Indians sending 72 fighter jets loaded with arms was a current and present threat and danger to the security, territorial integrity and sovereignty of Pakistan. Pakistan was within its legal rights to have shot down Indian jets, even all of them.

For further clarification, this concept of self-defence is derived from the famous Caroline case.



Imminent threat

You started with a street fight metaphor, added a partial reading of international law, and tried to wrap it all in righteous clarity. What came out was noise like a desperate ignoramus running around google for chatgpt for answers.

Let me educate you and hopefully I am not talking to a teenager still looking to graduate high school.

Diplomatic norms exist for a reason.
Nations do not open fire on foreign aircraft unless there has been a direct and hostile act. Words do not count. Presence alone does not count. That kind of discipline is not optional. It is part of the international order. Without it, every tense moment would collapse into war.

Your knife analogy belongs in a 8th grade debate club, not in serious analysis. A man holding a knife in the street does not equal a state conducting air patrols within its own territory. That comparison falls apart before it begins. Governments are not individuals. Airspace is not a sidewalk.

You quoted Article 2(4) of the UN Charter. The section mentions the threat or use of force. That phrase does not apply to aircraft flying in their own skies. You skipped the part where force has to cross a border, violate sovereignty, or signal an attack. None of that happened. The law does not support your claim but you have demonstrated how utterly dishonest you are in trying to push conclusions from reading headlines or a typical Tik-Tok character who only has the memory of 30 seconds. Goldfish can do better.

You left out Article 51 entirely. That article defines the right to self-defence. It states that force can be used in response to an armed attack. Not a show of strength. Not a perceived gesture. An actual attack. The standard is strict, and for good reason. Those define Rules of engagement laid out by the leadership.

You brought in the Caroline case. That doctrine applies only in rare moments where the threat is overwhelming, instant, and allows no time to think. That precedent has been used carefully for over a century. You treated it like a Tik-tok video “Oh apple watches are going to cause you cancer!!” “Run for the hills!”,

The aircraft assembled over time - so did the PAF. As soon as weapons were launched from these aircraft they were fired upon. The actual debate may be why did they fire on only the shooters and not every aircraft in those formations? The answer could be anything from restricted rules of engagement from National Security Council which goes beyond PAF to question of crossing into Indian airspace.

Now step outside theory and into reality.
Pakistan cannot afford to play the role it keeps auditioning for. The economy is on life support. The country survives on bailouts and borrowed money. That is not opinion. That is public record. The military doctrine of countries like Israel works because they have the power and the alliances to back it. Pakistan has neither. High-risk moves without cover do not lead to strength. They lead to collapse.

You aimed to deliver a legal masterclass and ended up performing a monologue of half-truths and misread history. Quoting articles is not enough. Understanding them is what matters.

Your argument has been answered. Your points have been weighed. Nothing in your post stands up to even mild scrutiny. There is no need to drag this further otherwise I will consider you are simply engaging in pointless whataboutism and deal with it accordingly.

Also , because you’re not as smart as your trying to be - you did give away that you are a false flag right in your post.
Who is “your PM”?

 

[MH.Yang]

Both sides launched things. That's literally what happened? What is your point? Now you are arguing for sake of it, without having a shred of evidence to prove or disprove your point!
I didn't make any claims. I am merely asking for Pakistan to line all their AWACS, to prove India wrong. This is what Pakistan is asking from India! All planes there, lies shot down.
Debating for the sake of it is pointless.

Ground all fighters after the air battle, then counterattack with missiles.

Don't you see that India is doing exactly what Iran is doing?

The difference is simply that China didn't take advantage of the situation against India like the US did.

You are now fantasizing about the outcome of the air war in the same way that you fantasized about the Galwan incident. You actually believe that you can have a decent exchange ratio in a battle where you are taking dozens of prisoners and falling back dozens of kilometers.

But the people of the world are not fools and you can only fool yourselves and then reap the ridicule from the world.

 

[Faithfulguy]

Indians peddling a new lie.
Somehow their Rafale tricked PAF with a towed decoy , which all PAF PL-15 tracked and hit, sparing the Rafale.
X-Guard made by Israeli company Rafael is being said to be towed by IAF Rafale jets in operation Sindoor.
The thing is X-Guard was never integrated with IAF Rafales. That piece of equipment was never part of Rafale deal with France. IAF dont have access to Rafale Firmware and all new weapon systems need to be qualified and integrated by Dassault of France.
As of now India does not have any X-Guard towed Decoy.

Indians lie in a why that’s so easily verified. India is so incompetent at everything with military. Include lying. Well, every Indians with a little skill have left India already.

 

[RafaleSlayer]

Directly from a credible source? If you're thinking Indian authorities are going to admit and disclose their losses, you have to wait for a long time.

on ground humint, for INR 1500 any indian ground staff would share such info

Hi,

There was nothing wrong with that product.

The problem is that the indians did not believe in what we had and what we were capable of---.

They did not believe that we had the PL15's---because deino did not believe that---.

They believed that our aesa radar was extremely inferior in quality & our other EW measures were sub par---because deino said so---.

Similarly---our aircraft---the J10C's and the JF17's were no match as they were cheap chinese built aircraft---& who said that---deino off course---.

I hope that the indians find out where deino is and pay him a visit---face him and tell him---you made us look for the proof---you made us look for the contracts of what paf had---you made a fool out of us---. We kept searching for the contracts while pakistanis were preparing their equipment to destroy us---.

Looks like Deino has done a good job for us

 

[RafaleSlayer]

5th may 2025? LOL!


Actually, the strike package was pretty small, very narrow in targeting. Notice, no SEAD and DEAD was done.

If India wanted to do what you are alluding to, it would have opened salvo like Iran. First a wave of 100s of BMs and CMs destroying ADs and airbases followed by air attack.

No it couldn't have, India was not ready for war and they inform Pakistan prior to lobbing the missiles hoping we will stay quite, once we responded India ran to 5 countries to stop Pakistanis from attacking India. Indian "Sister of Terrorists" is on record asking Pakistan to not escalate

 

[RafaleSlayer]

Well, here is one Pakistani minister categorically saying to a Pakistani journalist on 7th May.

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