Top 10 OIC military power ranking

Yasser76 said:
Well to be honest no real major conventional threats to any major Muslim country. Thoise that surround Isreal have been neautered

GCC face no major mass land armies on it's borders, same in North Africa, the whole Morrocco-Algeria thing is like women with handbags, Malaysia and Indonesia due tio location are fine. Central Asians have no argument with each other

Pakistan stands alone as the only muslim country facing a numerically larger and better equipped non muslims foe at its gates. That tends to sharpen the mind

Also explains why most of the countries on that list send their officers to Pakistan for training
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That's true the neighbourhoods of our respective brother nations are very peaceful bar Turkey.
 
Valid point , the nations away from Middle East are relatively calmer

However in term of presence and Capability , 70% Nations don't have ability to make an impact on world affairs concerning issues like Genocide against Muslims

Majority of the backwardness is due to Poverty

Poverty was also the main issue why Ottoman Empires crumbled in last 100 years of their existence, so even if the new nations formed the POVERTY has remained
  • Nationalism only delivered , the statement "I am with this flag so I am great"
  • However in term of "Performance" at world stage performance is "Zero"


The OIC as a group in my opinion has "Failed" to impose any presence on world stage

  • I do not know what objective it has if it can't stop wars , it started with ambition to have a unified response force for aggression
  • However when it was time to perform , every OIC nation did nothing worth remembering

Because OIC failed on Palestine, protecting 5 million people , in my opinion this whole organization has no purpose
 
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Moroccons at ground level are quite poor but they also have Party life style so many westerners go to morroco , even Israelis used to go there . A fact I did know until recently

There is a reason why Morocco gets lots of Fancy US weapons

Just like Western world has prepared Iraq-Iran to go against each other in 1980's
Morocco is prepared against Algeria, with home bother nations will just destroy each other

One one point Egyptians and Libyans also had some beef

However Morocco , is independent nation they can do what they want but in term of OIC , their contribution like all other 70% nation is Zero
 
One has to look at capability and overall force structure and training, not just equipment (this is the mistake Indians always make)

On paper the Saudis are incredibly well equipped. Air power wise possible the best in Muslim world.

Would Pakistan or Turks beat them in sustained air combat. would be tough but I would say yes.

In land warfare Turkey and Pakistan would walk through Saudi like it was a shopping mall.

Egypt? Some good equipment and large army but due to politics their air force is handicapped. Pakistan fighting the Egyotian army though would be very very tough.

So many factors on play here, as we all know with these lists, they can never take into account every thing so often mean very little, however if we focus on 3 main areas, Training, equipment and integration of assets. If you combine these I think Pakistan has an edge over the entire muslim world, including Turkiye
 
Well even Saudi's F15 much talked about is 30 year old machine with outdated weapons

They don't have ability to modernize

Egypt is some what in same boat , while they did tried to improve their airforce to certain levels , it's a reasonable effort but they have been keen to stay out of conflict

However Saudis /Egypt have generally not been countries to get involved in war unless someone was invading them
 
AZADPAKISTAN2009 said:
Well even Saudi's F15 much talked about is 30 year old machine with outdated weapons

They don't have ability to modernize

Egypt is some what in same boat , while they did tried to improve their airforce to certain levels , it's a reasonable effort but they have been keen to stay out of conflict
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F-15SA and Eurofighter are decent.

F-15SA has AESA too but knowing the US, i expect this to be serevely degraded
 
Indonesians don't need such modern weaponry to whale hunt. They should distribute these to other needy nations like Burkina Faso and Bosnia Herzegovina.
 
The only way you can judge OIC is ,

1 - If they can stop war
2-Can they bring aid into regions hit with war

If they can't accomplish this simple task it is wasteful venture

So far they have failed with flying colours

Sure at Diplomatic level Saudis were active for Palestine , however as whole OIC as a organization is failure
 
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Being able to bruise India as badly as Pakistan did is a bad metric to go by. Any other country would've been able to do the same. It's the incompetence of Indians that cause it to break in that manner.
 
Yasser76 said:
Sorry, but that whole "Mini Sparta of the Middle East": quote was by a US general ingratiating himself to the Emiratis.

The UAE have some seriously good kit, but like the Indians, struggle to translate this into capability.

I really do not mean to offend here, but asl many about attitude and work ethic of Emirati officers and it is not a good answer.

Reason why they need US and Israeli protection against Iran
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This is bullshxt.. The US has bases there.. UAE will face fuk Iran into the ground. They will only be able to launch missile. UAE would be able to total Tehren and Iranian cities
 
AZADPAKISTAN2009 said:
The Amount of disorganization which exist in 70% of Muslim Armies is mostly

a) Lack of resources
b) Using out dated world war 2 style weapons in 2025
c) Dealing with poverty , same issues which crippled Ottoman Empire their status has not changed in 100 years (except may be few countries )


Colonial Empires sold the idea of Nationalism , to smaller countries that Nationalism will bring prosperity , wealth , better life but after 100 years these countries are Poor , and Backward. 2-3 Generation have passed and they are poor
  • Tunisia , Poor
  • Egypt , majority is poor , lower middle class just getting by
  • Lebanon , just above poverty , lower middle class
  • Libya , could have been rich were , made poor by outside interference

So there is a wave of poverty

Colonial Empires worked 50-100 years against Ottoman Empire to create this ideology of "Nationalism", so people don't view themselves as Muslim but as "Nationals" of some region. Separating the people , so they don't view each other as One Muslim Entity


70% Nations have mediocre military or capabilities

15% Have some weapons they refuse to fight , they are happy selling oil
  • Saudi /UAE/Qatri/Kuwaiti
  • They like things the way they are now
  • Not Battle proven

10% Respond to Aggressor
  • Turkey
  • Pakistan
  • IRAN
  • Yamen

5% Impotent Just do parade , lost will to fight do their job
  • Egypt
  • Jordan
Level of Incompetence , could not even open a Corridor for Aid to Palestine
with Army for 2 years
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This guy is kinda of retarded..

Including Yemen lmao! These yemenites were send back to the stone ages by UAE and Saudi air force. It will take them a century to rebuild their enclave in Yemen and locked it there and they were under siege for years. They couldn´t get goods at the ports and nor from air they were under complete blockade. They were not even allowed to come out and fish.

Iran is actully at militia level at this point with only missiles they have nothing to offer.

Stop looking at conspiracy theories
 
Let me know when Saudi Airforce drops a packet of food in Palestine
You have land connection near Israel, not able to do one mission over there ?

While Saudi host the Vegas style Boxing events , football games for past 2 years there were people dying daily , just having a Foreign minister give a fancy speech is not enough. I like this new Saudi at least they are not holding up foreigners and cutting their hair because it was too long like in old days

How about a convey for Aid ? How about 1,000 trucks from Saudia entering Palestine? Too hard to do ?

Did any F15 went up in air to force Israeli , to return back to their own airport ? Nope ?? I sure don't remember Saudi launching even one mission

It seems Yamen were not really an issue , they never were

The hate from Saudi against Yameni is against what narrative exist in Hadith which always point towards lot of love and affection for People from Yamen
  • I really was confused when I compared Saudi action against Yamen



  1. The big sky scrapper in Makkah not a big fat hate it , ruined Makkah mosques tranquility with hideous building
  2. The new Cube project in Riyadh , also not big fan of it , trying to divert focus away from Makkah to Riyad from where Saud Tribe is from

Saudis have pushed away Yamani Tribes from gaining access to oil fields (South of Arabia), now what kind of Borther is that who denies another Muslim Oil wealth
  • Even if few wells were shared with Yamen perhaps things would vastly different , but why was there greed? Between Arabs ?
  • Allah granted Saudi with hundred and hundred of oil wells but it tested the hearts , if they will share the wealth with Yameni

Again , share of wealth would have aligned Saudi with Prophets message in favor of Yamen, however Saudi preferred to bomb Yemani, they contradict actions of Prophet's own actions with Yemani people


The Saudis are a nice contradiction in Muslim world, claim to be leader buy they are not really leaders when it is time to lead

While the Diplomatic pressure Saudi created was commendable but having military there was more responsibility on their hands then just Diplomatic pressure
 
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Yasser76 said:
One has to look at capability and overall force structure and training, not just equipment (this is the mistake Indians always make)

On paper the Saudis are incredibly well equipped. Air power wise possible the best in Muslim world.

Would Pakistan or Turks beat them in sustained air combat. would be tough but I would say yes.

In land warfare Turkey and Pakistan would walk through Saudi like it was a shopping mall.

Egypt? Some good equipment and large army but due to politics their air force is handicapped. Pakistan fighting the Egyotian army though would be very very tough.

So many factors on play here, as we all know with these lists, they can never take into account every thing so often mean very little, however if we focus on 3 main areas, Training, equipment and integration of assets. If you combine these I think Pakistan has an edge over the entire muslim world, including Turkiye
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Turkey and Pakistan would not walkover Saudi Arabia that is a ridiculous conspiracy theory. Conventional warfare do not happen like that.

Turkey will beat KSA but it will be a very prolonged war, It won´t be a walkover and if you add GCC vs Turkey I think it would even be more difficult.

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Nor is Egypt´s airforce compromised they have BVR´s to conduct dog-fight with anyone.
 
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