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[Rational Philosopher]

Both ways. Meaning also transfer tech and let them do manufacturing of state designed products. DRDO is doing that now.

Yeah, a well-motivated private company with close state ties and healthy internal culture could theoretically do amazingly well. Just needs some investments and visionaries.

But it's Pakistan, so who am I kidding...

 

[Baibers_1260]

Yeah, a well-motivated private company with close state ties and healthy internal culture could theoretically do amazingly well. Just needs some investments and visionaries.

But it's Pakistan, so who am I kidding...

No one in the 1990s thought Pakistan would ever develop the JF-17 fighter or nuclear weapons delivery platforms.. Yet, the doom naysayers were proven wrong. It is they who are getting kidded every time

 

[Pak-Warrior]

No one in the 1990s thought Pakistan would ever develop the JF-17 fighter or nuclear weapons delivery platforms.. Yet, the doom naysayers were proven wrong. It is they who are getting kidded every time

When it comes to our survival then we do well. Nuclear weapon capability (both the bomb & delivery BMs) were literally the matter of our survival. Plus we were lucky to find the right kind of people / team. Jf-17 became a survival for the airforce too. It was under sanctions, F-16s were not being delivered. Russians were not giving any aircrafts because of India. Chinese had J-7 as the best offer at that time. PAF really wanted independence, as it not only had to gain capabilities like BVR but also had to replace massive aging fleet in future.

Those two are done in very extra ordinary circumstances.

 

[Rational Philosopher]

No one in the 1990s thought Pakistan would ever develop the JF-17 fighter or nuclear weapons delivery platforms.. Yet, the doom naysayers were proven wrong. It is they who are getting kidded every time

The JF-17 was a 90% Chinese effort and Pakistan gave mostly an end-user input and funding contribution.

Anyway I'm not going to argue with you, hot air and miracles don't build things. Competent and focused people do. That's the only thing that matters.

 

[Psyko70]

The JF-17 was a 90% Chinese effort and Pakistan gave mostly an end-user input and funding contribution.

Anyway I'm not going to argue with you, hot air and miracles don't build things. Competent and focused people do. That's the only thing that matters.

Respected sir,

That Pakistan Quality Assurance made jf17 what it is today. Otherwise it never had the things and was just a simple fighter like early Mig 29 or f16A. I remember it never had the imagination of reaching F16E standard when block 3 came all impression was changed. Forum members also had wish list but never really expected it to reach this level. Only because Pakistan wanted it that way.

 

[Windjammer]

A PAF Mirage equipped with the H-4 SOW bomb (a precision-guided glide bomb) that are manufactured by NESCOM.
The H-4 has a range of 120km and were famously used to successfully target Indian military HQ in 2019 during Operation Swift Retort. The designation "H" stands for Havoc.

 

[Broghil]

I hope Pak is looking at some sort of supersonic or hypersonic land attack/Anti ship missile to effectively target enemy high value targets for aur force as well as navy.

 

[RajaBaja]

I hope Pak is looking at some sort of supersonic or hypersonic land attack/Anti ship missile to effectively target enemy high value targets for aur force as well as navy.

I've been saying this since 2019. We must induct a hypersonic or high supersonic missile with depressed trajectory in mass quantity.

I realized India would make Brahmos it's mainstay for attacks. It's their joint project, cheaper to build than other systems, high velocity just little below hypersonic. One Rafale's cost gives you near 75 to 80 Bra-Mouses. So Pakistan needs a high velocity missile we can mass produced locally.

 

[kimjongun]

IMO PAF should procure an ALBM like the TURKISH 300 ER AEROBALLISTIC MISSILE

Key features of the 300 ER include:

• Air-launched capability: The missile is designed to be released from an aircraft, allowing for an extended range and striking targets without putting the launch platform within range of enemy air defenses.
• Long range: Its operational range is stated to be over 500 kilometers, though this can vary depending on the altitude and speed at which the missile is released.
• High speed: Following a ballistic trajectory, the missile can reach very high speeds, potentially approaching hypersonic velocity. This makes it more difficult for enemy air defense systems to intercept.
• Cost-effective strike: The 300 ER is intended to be a more cost-effective alternative to traditional air-launched cruise missiles for striking deep into enemy territory.
• Payload: Weighing around 900 kg and measuring 5 meters in length, the missile is expected to carry a warhead of over 150 kg

This missile will help the CM 400 akg that we probably have in large numbers...and will be a counter to the indian rampage....also it has a larger range,paylod and speed as compared to the rampage...as seen in the may conflict..india used large numbers of rampage for attacks on airbases along with other munitions...it will be a very good day for me if i see this being procured by PAF

 

[Ali_Baba]

IMO PAF should procure an ALBM like the TURKISH 300 ER AEROBALLISTIC MISSILE
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Key features of the 300 ER include:

• Air-launched capability: The missile is designed to be released from an aircraft, allowing for an extended range and striking targets without putting the launch platform within range of enemy air defenses.
• Long range: Its operational range is stated to be over 500 kilometers, though this can vary depending on the altitude and speed at which the missile is released.
• High speed: Following a ballistic trajectory, the missile can reach very high speeds, potentially approaching hypersonic velocity. This makes it more difficult for enemy air defense systems to intercept.
• Cost-effective strike: The 300 ER is intended to be a more cost-effective alternative to traditional air-launched cruise missiles for striking deep into enemy territory.
• Payload: Weighing around 900 kg and measuring 5 meters in length, the missile is expected to carry a warhead of over 150 kg

This missile will help the CM 400 akg that we probably have in large numbers...and will be a counter to the indian rampage....also it has a larger range,paylod and speed as compared to the rampage...as seen in the may conflict..india used large numbers of rampage for attacks on airbases along with other munitions...it will be a very good day for me if i see this being procured by PAF

If the 300 ER is "already" integrated and certified for use on the F16, then there is value in its procurement for PAF sure. An F16 flying off the coast of Mumbai, armed with this missile adds a lot of military value interms of capability options. The value add is not the missile itself as Pakistan can build its own variant if it needed to. The value add is the integration with the F16 that gives potentially more serious offensive capabilities to PAFs F16 fleet that it does not have already.

 

[kimjongun]

If the 300 ER is "already" integrated and certified for use on the F16, then there is value in its procurement for sure. The value add is not the missile itself as Pakistan can build its own variant if it needed to. The value add is the integration with the F16 that gives potentially more serious offensive capabilities to PAFs F16 fleet that it does not have already.

apart from f16s it will be viable for the jf17 fleet as well

 

[Ali_Baba]

apart from f16s it will be viable for the jf17 fleet as well

Pakistan should be able to build a home grown ( and therefore cheaper ) variant for the JF17 itself and certify it for operational use. Pakistan has enough experience with the new Fatah1/2/Nasr/Smash missiles interms of design and build to allow it to do that.

 

[kimjongun]

Pakistan should be able to build a home grown ( and therefore cheaper ) variant for the JF17 itself and certify it for operational use. Pakistan has enough experience with the new Fatah1/2/Nasr/Smash missiles interms of design and build to allow it to do that.

Excatly...the israeli rampage is a repurposed rocket from the pulse mlrs...we have expertise with canard control system as it is used in fatah 1 and nasr...so we can make it at home...also due to our making of smash we know how to integrated ballistic missiles from different vessels/platforms

 

[Liquidator]

Why would Pakistan risk its air assets when you have F1,F2 etc and your enemy shares a land border?

What additional benefits do air launched platform provide? Other than specific situations such as CM400AKG use to take out AD.

 

[kimjongun]

Why would Pakistan risk its air assets when you have F1,F2 etc and your enemy shares a land border?

What additional benefits do air launched platform provide? Other than specific situations such as CM400AKG use to take out AD.

1)Extended range
2)Precision
3)Adaptable targeting
4)Greater strategic mobility
5)Different to intercept