Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Persian Gulf]

IR's outdated and self defeating "no nukes" policy should be officially abandoned.

There must be a massive focus on reviving the economy, restoring international trade and lifting sanctions.

these two objectives are contradictory

other than that, I think this was your best ever post

 

[Sarhang]

I remember me and a few other sane people on this forum making critical comments and we were immediately met with trolling by IR fanboys. Where are they now?

What happened to them?

I still remember their spiritual forum leader proudly claiming that IR’s ballistic missiles alone were enough to prevent any attack on Irans mainland. That comment was obviously made in defense of the cowardice of the Supreme Leader. So where is that guy now? Where is his accountability? He fooled people and now some of those same people he fooled are suddenly full of questions after the recent conflict. Is he and the other fanboys going to take responsibility or still engage in Avam faribi?


What happened to all those ballistic missiles they swore would wipe Israel off the map and trigger a mass migration from Israel to Europe?


What happened to the dozens of advanced military products they unveiled in staged ceremonies but then completely vanished during the actual war except maybe a few?


The psychological manipulation and propaganda campaign pushed by the IR and its online supporters needs to be exposed. Every single one of them should be called out and held accountable. Let them come and explain now. Let them face the mess.

 

[Sarhang]

these two objectives are contradictory

other than that, I think this was your best ever post

Todays world is all about perception. Its about how you behave and how you present yourself.

In my opinion you can do both (nukes and not being a pariah) stand firm on your principles and act strategically as long as it makes sense and you dont create too many enemies along the way.

 

[BigMela2onin]

Todays world is all about perception. Its about how you behave and how you present yourself.

In my opinion you can do both (nukes and not being a pariah) stand firm on your principles and act strategically as long as it makes sense and you dont create too many enemies along the way.

Actually it is clear in today's world only strength matters. EU and US can suffocate Iran without fear of retaliation. A nuclear Iran with the will to nuke a few cities if it needs to prove a point will be much more respected.



Meanwhile...

IR is now holding negotiations on holding negotiations.

 

[BigMela2onin]

Last point is major, everyone is realizing crypto-jew khamenei and his pet araghchi are too pathetic and cowardly to go through with any of their threats. They know they can sanction and bomb without any resistance just like they did assad.

 

[Hack-Hook]

Araghchi claims Iran never wanted to destroy Israel

That's the reality of Iran strategy.
Also if you recall several year ago Mr. Khamenei said we don't want to go in war with Israel, it's Israel that will destroy itself from with in.
Also foxNews cut second half of araghchi answer it's the complete answer

 

[ShapurII]

The minimum wage in China also is not high. In the rural areas of my hometown, it is only $250.

UN poverty line for 2025 is $3 per person for extreme poverty. It used to be $2.15 a few years ago. And it covers only the essentials for a single person.

An Iranian household is almost 4 people (~3.9).
That means $12 per day or $360 per month for a family of 4.
Even if both parents of an Iranian household work with the minimum wage in Iran, the family will still be considered extremely poor by the UN definition.

As for China, a Confucian society, $250 per month is livable if both parents work ($250 * 2 = $500).
But as for Iran, first of all, Iran is a Muslim country where people in conservative areas prefer for the wife to be a stay at home mother, and secondly, $150 per month is still $30 short of what is considered extreme poverty by the UN, assuming both parents work.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

Game over for USA, strike on the facilities virtually ensured:

1. It was always USA who was murdering scientists
2. now, enrichment is not the goal instead sparsely spread building underground (nuclear attack proof facilities) is the goal (note how swiftly this position has changed from underground to nuclear proof underground structure!)
3. focus on more hypersonic, space and ballistic missiles
4. Now, there will be more and more scientists available, more than ever before

 

[OldTwilight]

The minimum wage in China also is not high. In the rural areas of my hometown, it is only $250.

minimum wage in Iran is below 150$ , and all things are calculated base on it ....

 

[shapurzolaktaf]

minimum wage in Iran is below 150$ , and all things are calculated base on it ....

What's his salary (Kazem Sedighi)? He's back on stage!

 

[Sarhang]

What's his salary (Kazem Sedighi)? He's back on stage!

Why is this corrupt Mullah not arrested yet? Or at the very least forced to resign or 'retire'.

Does this mean the Supreme Leader actually agrees with what he did? After all he is the one who appoints the Friday prayer leaders.


On topic : We aree now seeing daily explosions being reported across Iran. And as expected IR keeps blaming it on 'gas leaks' to save face.


But seriously, who in Iran today has the moral decency to come forward and tell the people the truth? Will anyone admit that these 'accidents' are being reported that way to avoid taking responsibility? Because any real admission would require a response and that response could provoke further Israeli retaliation, further humiliation and deeper exposure of the regimes weakness? Will they admit this?

I highly doubt it.

 

[shapurzolaktaf]

Why is this corrupt Mullah not arrested yet? Or at the very least forced to resign or 'retire'.

Does this mean the Supreme Leader actually agrees with what he did? After all he is the one who appoints the Friday prayer leaders.

To be honest I don't know who is truely "leading", you would think "supreme" + "leader" means that he's leading, so I understand your conclusion.

Supreme leader talks about fighting corruption, stronger economy etc. We nationalists ask a simple question: then why don't you execute this man and his corrupt familymembers according to the law of Islam (hanging him/cutting off his hand/fingers at least)?

Now I'm not talking necessarily about this guy who relatively might have commited a minor crime compared to Debsh Tea scandal, but in general I don't see progress.

I mean look at the facts; even Trump has more power than this man. With 1 executive order in 1 minute he makes sure his ideas are carried out.

So why nothing happen in Iran? are we some EU country following time consuming democratic processes? No.

So who is who? who is leading? who is the "supreme" guy? or is Khamenei a puppet of "100 corrupt supreme leaders" in the background?

One would conclude the last.

 

[Sarhang]

To be honest I don't know who is truely "leading", you would think "supreme" + "leader" means that he's leading, so I understand your conclusion.

Supreme leader talks about fighting corruption, stronger economy etc. We nationalists ask a simple question: then why don't you execute this man and his corrupt familymembers according to the law of Islam (hanging him/cutting off his hand/fingers at least)?

I mean look at the facts; even Trump has more power than this man. With 1 executive order in 1 minute he makes sure his ideas are carried out.

So why nothing happen in Iran? are we some EU country with following time consuming democratic processes? No.

So who is who? who is leading? who is the "supreme" guy? or is Khamenei a puppet of "100 corrupt supreme leaders" in the background?

One would conclude the last.

Well said. Its like he is paralyzed and cant make any firm decisions so everything just hangs in limbo. Very strange.

 

[LX1111]

UN poverty line for 2025 is $3 per person for extreme poverty. It used to be $2.15 a few years ago. And it covers only the essentials for a single person.

An Iranian household is almost 4 people (~3.9).
That means $12 per day or $360 per month for a family of 4.
Even if both parents of an Iranian household work with the minimum wage in Iran, the family will still be considered extremely poor by the UN definition.

As for China, a Confucian society, $250 per month is livable if both parents work ($250 * 2 = $500).
But as for Iran, first of all, Iran is a Muslim country where people in conservative areas prefer for the wife to be a stay at home mother, and secondly, $150 per month is still $30 short of what is considered extreme poverty by the UN, assuming both parents work.

minimum wage in Iran is below 150$ , and all things are calculated base on it ....

In rural China, many people actually do not have job security.
For instance, a woman works in a factory or restaurant near her village, earning 3,000 RMB per month, which is approximately 420 $. She also has to take care of two children and two elderly people. The government provides each elderly person with an annual pension of 800 RMB every month. Her husband has to go out to work, earning about 6,000 RMB, which is approximately 845 $
.In rural areas of China, every household has its own land. In my hometown, each household usually owns approximately 0.3 hectares of land. Every year, they can produce 2.25 tons of wheat and 2.7 tons of corn, enough to meet the food needs of the entire family
.Therefore, the monthly income for each person in a family of six is approximately $245
.It sounds good, doesn't it? But that's where the problem lies.
1。If there is an elderly family member who is ill, women cannot go out to work. They need to take care of the elderly and children, as well as tend to the crops on the farm.Then the per capita income of this family will drop to $ 178 .
2。If at this point, a man is unable to go out to work for some reason and has to find a job nearby with a monthly salary of 3,000 RMB, the per capita income of this family will drop to $ 107 .
3。If this family doesn't have even this amount of money each month, they can apply for the minimum living allowance. The government will provide you with a subsidy based on your average income, Ensure that each family member earns a minimum income of 88 dollars..So, the poor people in China are also very miserable

 

[nang2]

The $250 it mentioned refers to the minimum wage stipulated by law, which usually only appears in marginal jobs for retirees or summer workers. Secondly, the $250 it mentioned is the minimum wage in rural areas. Every farmer in China has farmland and housing allocated by the state, so the cost of living in rural areas is very low.

In China city, $500 a month is not enough to support a family with children. It needs at least $1,000.

Housing isn't allocated by the state. The lot for housing is. Farmers still need to build their houses by themselves on such a lot.