Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

Barshakian in the first television interview after the war to the island: We refuse to possess the nuclear weapon completely and this is our political, religious, human and strategic stance, and we are ready for any Israeli military move and our forces are ready to strike the depth of Israel again

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He means no "physicial destruction" was planned, but a "diplomatic destruction" through pressure (and armed resistance), forcing a 1 state solution which would dissolve the State of Israel to create a new state where jews, muslims and christians would live together.
Just like how the apartheid state of South Africa was dissolved. I think this has been the official goal/policy of the Islamic republic VS Israel.

The Islamic Republic of Iran in the past also said that they would accept other solutions/models if that would be the will and choice of the Palestinians.
yeah, totally. Iran has never threatened to destroy Israel. /s

 
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من هی تحمل می‌کنم نرینم به توهمات شما اما نمی‌شه
I really wanted not to do this, but I think it's time for an assessment of the Israel-Iran war in the last 2 years.

What has Israel achieved, with the help of the US?
1. Killed over 1,100 Iranians in 12 days (more than the daily average in Gaza). Confirmed by Iran.
2. Eliminated C&C of the IRGC in half an hour. Over 30 high-ranking officials were killed.
3. Eliminated our anti-West president
4. Eliminated a large part of our IADS
5. Eliminated an unknown number of IRIAF jets, helicopters and fuel tankers
6. Destroyed our oil depots and hit two of our refineries
7. The US destroyed our nuclear program, which, including the indirect cost of sanctions, had cost us over a trillion dollar to build and operate throughout the years, and it will take us several months to years to rebuild.
8. Damaged Hezbollah to the point that it is no longer a factor in Lebanon
9. Pulled off possibly the largest asymmetric warfare against Iran from inside Iran, something that the IRGC boasted to do for decades but failed to perform even one such successful operation inside Israel
10. Eliminated nearly all of our cards for negotiating with the West, except for the HEU
11. Eliminated about 20-30 missiles launchers, which can be replaced
12. Forced us to use 10%-20% of our MRBM stock
13. Intercepted nearly all of our drones, and half of our BMs.

Casualties: +1,100
Damage: Tens of billions of dollars at least, hundreds of billions of dollars if you include the sanctions we endured over our nuclear program

What has Iran achieved?
1. Hit a 15 million dollar SATCOM in Qatar that will be replaced soon
2. Hit Bazan oil refinery in Haifa, and possibly two power plants (confirmed visually through videos). Damage is estimated to be $3m dollars per day and repair is going to take 2-3 months. So, 200-300 million dollars.
3. Hit Kirya and a few residential areas. I'm sure some air bases have been hit as well but there's no data to confirm this
4. Killed 28 Israelis, and only one off-duty Israeli soldier. Confirmed by Israel.

Casualties: Fewer than 100
Damage: Less than $10 billion, including the cost of war.

You have no proof to claim that there were direct hits on Dimona. You're pulling this one out of your ass.

So, Israel has achieved 10x-100x more than Iran. Did it win the war? Not really, but that's only because they had miscalculated the response of the Iranian people, not the Iranian regime. The Iranian regime played exactly as calculated by them to the T.

Some people say that Israel did not achieve their declared goals such as regime change. Well, sure. But Iran continuously said that Israel would cease to exist after war with Iran. Did we achieve that? Didn't we say that there will be no Israel after TP3? Haven't we threatened to destroy Israel for like half a century? Give me a break. Israel achieved a higher percent of her goals than Iran did.

Also, the regime in Iran will be toppled soon. It has all the factors for a regime that is on the verge of collapse. Food prices have increased by 20%-30% just last month after the war. As we speak, Tehran has run out of drinking water and they have cut off water in Tehran. Even affluent neighborhoods of Tehran where influential politicians and businessmen live do not have drinking water as we speak. Pardis, a satellite city of Tehran, has not had drinking water for the last 48 hours. Add to this electricity cuts since May, where people do not have electricity for 2 days every other day. Add to this air pollution as well, which is so bad that thousands of people had to go to the ER.

The regime is begging to negotiate with the US and E3 now. It has been confirmed by both Iran and the Europeans that Iranian delegation will meet with the E3 on Saturday. Per the US, It is either unconditional surrender or the snapback mechanism.

Khamenei said: "There will be no war, and there will be no negotiations". Guess what? There was a war, they did hit our nuclear infrastructure, and we are still negotiating with them.

So, if you think this is over, you are clearly wrong. This has just started to reach the final stage. They are turning Iran into Syria II and the regime is paralyzed, doesn't know what to do and has no strategy for getting out of the situation. Iran may have survived the 12-day battle, but the war is still on and has just started.
Like I’ve said before IR regime is terminally ill. It doesnt need mild reform it needs severe chemotherapy. Without it not only does it face collapse but it also risks a complete abandonment of the core values it was supposedly built on.

1. Exporting the revolution beyond Iran’s borders. Yea good luck with that, when it can’t even export the revolution inside Tehran.

2. Liberating Qods through military means.

3. Anti American independent governance now reduced to slogans rather than substance.

The only people who are upholding these three critical core ideals of the regime are the very old ayatollahs. In max 20 years they are all dead. With them gone the core values of IR will be wiped out. In simple words ; What came as IR will be no more. What there will be instead, no one knows.

So what’s the best and most realistic solution for Iran to get rid of this incompetent IR nightmare?


No bloody revolution. No armed uprisings. No lootings. No killings.

What Iran needs is a modern-day nationalist Reza Khan from within the armed forces someone with patriotism, spine, vision, and a sense of duty and to stand up and take control of the situation.

All incompetent mullahs should be forcibly retired from politics. Let them go back to the seminaries where they belong. The corrupt mullahs and those with blood on their hands should be put on trial to gain the trust of the population.

All officials who held key positions and were responsible for corruption, mismanagement and repression should be immediately arrested and held accountable.

IR's outdated and self defeating "no nukes" policy should be officially abandoned.

There must be a massive focus on reviving the economy, restoring international trade and lifting sanctions.

No need to become naive and start hugging Israel. Just maintain a clear public stance of support for Palestine while making it known that Iran’s internal affairs must come first.

Begin a serious and rapid rebuilding of the armed forces especially the long neglected airforce.

This is the best scenario for Iran to escape from this mess or it will only get worse (For the people).
 
IR's outdated and self defeating "no nukes" policy should be officially abandoned.

There must be a massive focus on reviving the economy, restoring international trade and lifting sanctions.
these two objectives are contradictory

other than that, I think this was your best ever post
 
I remember me and a few other sane people on this forum making critical comments and we were immediately met with trolling by IR fanboys. Where are they now?

What happened to them?

I still remember their spiritual forum leader proudly claiming that IR’s ballistic missiles alone were enough to prevent any attack on Irans mainland. That comment was obviously made in defense of the cowardice of the Supreme Leader. So where is that guy now? Where is his accountability? He fooled people and now some of those same people he fooled are suddenly full of questions after the recent conflict. Is he and the other fanboys going to take responsibility or still engage in Avam faribi?


What happened to all those ballistic missiles they swore would wipe Israel off the map and trigger a mass migration from Israel to Europe?


What happened to the dozens of advanced military products they unveiled in staged ceremonies but then completely vanished during the actual war except maybe a few?


The psychological manipulation and propaganda campaign pushed by the IR and its online supporters needs to be exposed. Every single one of them should be called out and held accountable. Let them come and explain now. Let them face the mess.
 
these two objectives are contradictory

other than that, I think this was your best ever post
Todays world is all about perception. Its about how you behave and how you present yourself.

In my opinion you can do both (nukes and not being a pariah) stand firm on your principles and act strategically as long as it makes sense and you dont create too many enemies along the way.
 
Todays world is all about perception. Its about how you behave and how you present yourself.

In my opinion you can do both (nukes and not being a pariah) stand firm on your principles and act strategically as long as it makes sense and you dont create too many enemies along the way.
Actually it is clear in today's world only strength matters. EU and US can suffocate Iran without fear of retaliation. A nuclear Iran with the will to nuke a few cities if it needs to prove a point will be much more respected.



Meanwhile...
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IR is now holding negotiations on holding negotiations.
 
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Last point is major, everyone is realizing crypto-jew khamenei and his pet araghchi are too pathetic and cowardly to go through with any of their threats. They know they can sanction and bomb without any resistance just like they did assad.
 
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Araghchi claims Iran never wanted to destroy Israel

That's the reality of Iran strategy.
Also if you recall several year ago Mr. Khamenei said we don't want to go in war with Israel, it's Israel that will destroy itself from with in.
Also foxNews cut second half of araghchi answer it's the complete answer
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The minimum wage in China also is not high. In the rural areas of my hometown, it is only $250.
UN poverty line for 2025 is $3 per person for extreme poverty. It used to be $2.15 a few years ago. And it covers only the essentials for a single person.

An Iranian household is almost 4 people (~3.9).
That means $12 per day or $360 per month for a family of 4.
Even if both parents of an Iranian household work with the minimum wage in Iran, the family will still be considered extremely poor by the UN definition.

As for China, a Confucian society, $250 per month is livable if both parents work ($250 * 2 = $500).
But as for Iran, first of all, Iran is a Muslim country where people in conservative areas prefer for the wife to be a stay at home mother, and secondly, $150 per month is still $30 short of what is considered extreme poverty by the UN, assuming both parents work.
 
Game over for USA, strike on the facilities virtually ensured:

1. It was always USA who was murdering scientists
2. now, enrichment is not the goal instead sparsely spread building underground (nuclear attack proof facilities) is the goal (note how swiftly this position has changed from underground to nuclear proof underground structure!)
3. focus on more hypersonic, space and ballistic missiles
4. Now, there will be more and more scientists available, more than ever before
 
minimum wage in Iran is below 150$ , and all things are calculated base on it ....
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What's his salary (Kazem Sedighi)? He's back on stage!
 
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What's his salary (Kazem Sedighi)? He's back on stage!
Why is this corrupt Mullah not arrested yet? Or at the very least forced to resign or 'retire'.

Does this mean the Supreme Leader actually agrees with what he did? After all he is the one who appoints the Friday prayer leaders.


On topic : We aree now seeing daily explosions being reported across Iran. And as expected IR keeps blaming it on 'gas leaks' to save face.


But seriously, who in Iran today has the moral decency to come forward and tell the people the truth? Will anyone admit that these 'accidents' are being reported that way to avoid taking responsibility? Because any real admission would require a response and that response could provoke further Israeli retaliation, further humiliation and deeper exposure of the regimes weakness? Will they admit this?

I highly doubt it.
 
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