Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

Older missiles being able to bypass THAAD, SM3, and arrow and hit a HVT lile the refinery would be a good thing

Probably due to luck. A missile with its second stage attached lights up on space based radar but if it’s in a salvo it has a small chance it can get thru. If it’s alone it has no shot.Fire enough older missiles some will get thru.

The fact that Iran didn’t use Khorramshahr on the refinery (much higher destructive payload) means that either A) they were not able to be used B) Iran choose to not use them for whatever reason.

But the fact remains Iran was firing 25-35 missiles most of the war. That is far too low a number.

I told this board feeding Hezbollah to Israeli war machine would come back to bite Iran. I’m sure a large part of the Iranian war plans was Hezbollah firing rockets and drones during a war to help Iranian missiles get thru.

In the last 5 years Israel managed to kill every major IRGC & HZ general/officer. All of that lead to Irans own nuclear facilities being hit. IRGC incompetence cost this nation a great deal of pain.
 
They dropped hundreds of tomahawks on Serbia, ordinary subsonic cruise missiles, I am not sure how useful for bunker busting they are...

They used tomahawks on above ground targets not below ground targets and likely to divert Iranian attention away from Fordow.
 
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old news from 3 weeks ago. please stop using random twitter accounts as sources, they are not reliable

 
not sure about that. the video shows 3 missiles hitting the refinery within 1-2 seconds

1) I was talking about the missile with this 2nd stage still attached in the photo not the attack itself. And that missile in the photo I’m pretty sure missed and the other one hit more directly.

2) Iran also had to fire hundreds of missiles during the war to get a % to make impact on Israeli soil.

So yes, some older missiles made it thru due to luck.

Look at Yemen - just fired 1 and it got intercepted. Older SCUD based missiles are much easier to intercept due to not having a separating RV. Even Saudi Arabia was having good success against Qiam class missiles during the Yemen war using Patriots.
 
1) I was talking about the missile with this 2nd stage still attached in the photo not the attack itself. And that missile in the photo I’m pretty sure missed and the other one hit more directly.

2) Iran also had to fire hundreds of missiles during the war to get a % to make impact on Israeli soil.

So yes, some older missiles made it thru due to luck.

Look at Yemen - just fired 1 and it got intercepted. Older SCUD based missiles are much easier to intercept due to not having a separating RV. Even Saudi Arabia was having good success against Qiam class missiles during the Yemen war using Patriots.
it didn't miss, 3 missiles impacted the target at different areas, Israel's video said they all hit important parts of the facility

after the first 3 days the Iranian missile salvos were quite small per day (10-20).

  • day 1: 200 missiles
  • day 2: 75 missiles
  • day 3: 94 missiles
  • day 4: 20-22 missiles
  • day 5: 47 missiles
  • day 6: 1 missile
average of days 1-3 = 123 missiles
average of days 4-6 = 23 missiles

and the average fell more after day 6

I don't really think there is such a thing as 'luck', either they intercept it or not. but 10 old missiles fired at once means their Pk per missile is lower than against those same 10 missiles fired separately, sure. I just don't call that 'luck'.
 
Does this mean Iran will finally announce that it is a Nuclear state ?
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No, because it is not. If it was the jews wouldn't openly be talking about continuing the war.
 
MIT is as far as I know the most prestigious institution in USA in technology field...

So respected expert from respected American institution is practically considers Iran among nuclear powers, because they got everything they need to create at least 10 nukes in practically no time...
Exactly! The video is long, but it is worth the time. He brings the receipts. Iran is a nuclear-armed state.
 

The 12 days that turned back the clock on Iran’s nuclear program​



Now that the rhetorical debris has settled from Israel’s 12-day warwith Iran, there’s growing evidence that Iran’s nuclear program suffered such severe damage that it will be neutered for at least a year, and probably far longer.

“Iran is no longer a threshold nuclear state,” one well-informed Israeli source told me. He said that Iran would now require at least one to two years to build a deliverable nuclear weapon, assuming it could somehow hide its activities. Tehran could conceivably try to demonstrate a crude nuclear device more quickly. But Israel would probably see the test coming and could mount a disabling attack, the source said.

This account supports claims by both the Trump administration and Israel that the Iran campaign achieved its objectives. This new evidence adds weight to that assessment, but some issues are still unclear. Iran could have hidden centrifuges, uranium stockpiles or weapons that weren’t destroyed. It could react by dashing toward a bomb with its meager resources — or by mounting terrorist campaigns that could be devastating for Israel or the United States. There are still many unknown unknowns.

Israeli and American sources said the bombing campaign, in addition to destroying many of the Iranian centrifuges that enrich uranium, shattered most elements of Iran’s aggressive program to prepare to weaponize that uranium. For example, Israeli sources believe the Iranians were studying an electromagnetic pulse (EMP) weapon that could cripple Israel electronically, a more-complex nuclear fusion bomb, as well as a standard fission warhead.

The most devastating, and least reported, aspect of Israel’s campaign may have been its targeting of Iran’s leading nuclear scientists. Sources said strikes in the first hours of the war killed all of Iran’s first and second tier of physicists and other nuclear scientists, as well as most of the third tier. That’s a massive loss of talent, and Israeli officials believe it will deter younger Iranian scientists from participating in a program that proved to be a death sentence.

By killing key Iranian scientists, Israel believes it halted the exotic EMP and fusion programs, an Israeli source said. Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps leaders had encouraged the EMP effort because they believed it wouldn’t violate Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei’s fatwa against nuclear weapons, the Israeli source noted. But rapid progress toward nuclear weapons was happening anyway, regardless of the fatwa, awaiting only a final nod from the leader to build a bomb.


The coordinated and near-simultaneous strikes on Iran’s military and scientific elite were a stunning display of intelligence collection and targeting. But they also demonstrated an ability to coordinate diverse strands of complex data, at a level that may be unprecedented in warfare. Israeli and U.S. sources describe that assault as, at once, an air war, a spy war and an algorithm war. The sources requested anonymity to discuss these sensitive issues.

The United States struck the final blow, with Air Force B-2 bombers carrying bunker-busting bombs and Navy ships launching Tomahawk missiles. That strike capped Israel’s devastation of Iran’s program and gave President Donald Trump a share of the success — and also provided an important demonstration of U.S. military might.

The Trump administration had given Israel a green light to launch its assault on June 13 but signaled it would intervene only if the campaign was going well, the sources said. When Trump declared a ceasefire, Israel was moving into a final phase of attacks intended to topple the regime.


Israel’s after-action assessment matches most details of the reported U.S. analysis. The combination of Israeli and U.S. bombing destroyed the Natanz enrichment facility and disabled the big enrichment complex buried underground at Fordow. Strikes on Isfahan destroyed the uranium conversion facility there needed to turn the fissionable material into a metal plate required for a weapon, the Israeli source said. Strikes also buried a site where Iran had hidden 400 kilograms of highly enriched uranium.
Even if Iran has some other secret caches of highly enriched uranium, this probably wouldn’t help build a “dirty bomb” — a device laden with nuclear material to create a Chernobyl-like diffusion of radiation, Israeli sources said.

Operating with total air superiority after the first two days of the war, the Israelis were able to destroy half of Iran’s 3,000 ballistic missiles and about 80 percent of its 500 missile launchers. Iran had planned to boost its ballistic missile stockpile to 8,000, Israeli sources say, so delaying the attack might have meant much greater damage to the Israeli homeland from counterstrikes. In an unwelcome surprise for Israel, Iran had a larger-than-expected arsenal of solid-fuel missiles, which are harder to target in flight, the Israeli source said.

Beyond targeting the nuclear facilities and the scientists who worked there, Israeli attacks destroyed logistical foundations of the program, including its headquarters, archives, laboratories and testing equipment, the Israeli source said. This devastation may increase Iran’s desire to possess a nuclear deterrent, but it will be hard to reconstruct all these pieces.

After the decisive 12-day war, a remaining policy dilemma for the Trump administration is whether to seek a new nuclear agreement that would prevent Iran from rebuilding its program. So far, according to U.S. officials, Tehran has balked at a U.S. demand for a ban on enrichment — so the issue might be moot.

Israelis and Americans both hope Iran will remain a signatory of the 1968 Non-Proliferation Treaty, allowing inspection of its facilities by the International Atomic Energy Agency. But for now, and probably for a long time to come, most of those facilities are little more than rubble and dust.

 

The 12 days that turned back the clock on Iran’s nuclear program​



Now that the rhetorical debris has settled from Israel’s 12-day warwith Iran, there’s growing evidence that Iran’s nuclear program suffered such severe damage that it will be neutered for at least a year, and probably far longer.

“Iran is no longer a threshold nuclear state,” one well-informed Israeli source told me. He said that Iran would now require at least one to two years to build a deliverable nuclear weapon, assuming it could somehow hide its activities. Tehran could conceivably try to demonstrate a crude nuclear device more quickly. But Israel would probably see the test coming and could mount a disabling attack, the source said.

This account supports claims by both the Trump administration and Israel that the Iran campaign achieved its objectives. This new evidence adds weight to that assessment, but some issues are still unclear. Iran could have hidden centrifuges, uranium stockpiles or weapons that weren’t destroyed. It could react by dashing toward a bomb with its meager resources — or by mounting terrorist campaigns that could be devastating for Israel or the United States. There are still many unknown unknowns.

Israeli and American sources said the bombing campaign, in addition to destroying many of the Iranian centrifuges that enrich uranium, shattered most elements of Iran’s aggressive program to prepare to weaponize that uranium. For example, Israeli sources believe the Iranians were studying an electromagnetic pulse (EMP) weapon that could cripple Israel electronically, a more-complex nuclear fusion bomb, as well as a standard fission warhead.

The most devastating, and least reported, aspect of Israel’s campaign may have been its targeting of Iran’s leading nuclear scientists. Sources said strikes in the first hours of the war killed all of Iran’s first and second tier of physicists and other nuclear scientists, as well as most of the third tier. That’s a massive loss of talent, and Israeli officials believe it will deter younger Iranian scientists from participating in a program that proved to be a death sentence.

By killing key Iranian scientists, Israel believes it halted the exotic EMP and fusion programs, an Israeli source said. Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps leaders had encouraged the EMP effort because they believed it wouldn’t violate Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei’s fatwa against nuclear weapons, the Israeli source noted. But rapid progress toward nuclear weapons was happening anyway, regardless of the fatwa, awaiting only a final nod from the leader to build a bomb.


The coordinated and near-simultaneous strikes on Iran’s military and scientific elite were a stunning display of intelligence collection and targeting. But they also demonstrated an ability to coordinate diverse strands of complex data, at a level that may be unprecedented in warfare. Israeli and U.S. sources describe that assault as, at once, an air war, a spy war and an algorithm war. The sources requested anonymity to discuss these sensitive issues.

The United States struck the final blow, with Air Force B-2 bombers carrying bunker-busting bombs and Navy ships launching Tomahawk missiles. That strike capped Israel’s devastation of Iran’s program and gave President Donald Trump a share of the success — and also provided an important demonstration of U.S. military might.

The Trump administration had given Israel a green light to launch its assault on June 13 but signaled it would intervene only if the campaign was going well, the sources said. When Trump declared a ceasefire, Israel was moving into a final phase of attacks intended to topple the regime.


Israel’s after-action assessment matches most details of the reported U.S. analysis. The combination of Israeli and U.S. bombing destroyed the Natanz enrichment facility and disabled the big enrichment complex buried underground at Fordow. Strikes on Isfahan destroyed the uranium conversion facility there needed to turn the fissionable material into a metal plate required for a weapon, the Israeli source said. Strikes also buried a site where Iran had hidden 400 kilograms of highly enriched uranium.
Even if Iran has some other secret caches of highly enriched uranium, this probably wouldn’t help build a “dirty bomb” — a device laden with nuclear material to create a Chernobyl-like diffusion of radiation, Israeli sources said.

Operating with total air superiority after the first two days of the war, the Israelis were able to destroy half of Iran’s 3,000 ballistic missiles and about 80 percent of its 500 missile launchers. Iran had planned to boost its ballistic missile stockpile to 8,000, Israeli sources say, so delaying the attack might have meant much greater damage to the Israeli homeland from counterstrikes. In an unwelcome surprise for Israel, Iran had a larger-than-expected arsenal of solid-fuel missiles, which are harder to target in flight, the Israeli source said.

Beyond targeting the nuclear facilities and the scientists who worked there, Israeli attacks destroyed logistical foundations of the program, including its headquarters, archives, laboratories and testing equipment, the Israeli source said. This devastation may increase Iran’s desire to possess a nuclear deterrent, but it will be hard to reconstruct all these pieces.

After the decisive 12-day war, a remaining policy dilemma for the Trump administration is whether to seek a new nuclear agreement that would prevent Iran from rebuilding its program. So far, according to U.S. officials, Tehran has balked at a U.S. demand for a ban on enrichment — so the issue might be moot.

Israelis and Americans both hope Iran will remain a signatory of the 1968 Non-Proliferation Treaty, allowing inspection of its facilities by the International Atomic Energy Agency. But for now, and probably for a long time to come, most of those facilities are little more than rubble and dust.

The Washington Post is a joke. All the US mainstream is a collective joke. The same media that was screaming the Vaccines are safe and effective. It is 99% effective. The climate, the climate. Please
 

The 12 days that turned back the clock on Iran’s nuclear program​



Now that the rhetorical debris has settled from Israel’s 12-day warwith Iran, there’s growing evidence that Iran’s nuclear program suffered such severe damage that it will be neutered for at least a year, and probably far longer.

“Iran is no longer a threshold nuclear state,” one well-informed Israeli source told me. He said that Iran would now require at least one to two years to build a deliverable nuclear weapon, assuming it could somehow hide its activities. Tehran could conceivably try to demonstrate a crude nuclear device more quickly. But Israel would probably see the test coming and could mount a disabling attack, the source said.

This account supports claims by both the Trump administration and Israel that the Iran campaign achieved its objectives. This new evidence adds weight to that assessment, but some issues are still unclear. Iran could have hidden centrifuges, uranium stockpiles, or weapons that weren’t destroyed. It could react by dashing toward a bomb with its meager resources — or by mounting terrorist campaigns that could be devastating for Israel or the United States. There are still many unknown unknowns.

Israeli and American sources said the bombing campaign, in addition to destroying many of the Iranian centrifuges that enrich uranium, shattered most elements of Iran’s aggressive program to prepare to weaponize that uranium. For example, Israeli sources believe the Iranians were studying an electromagnetic pulse (EMP) weapon that could cripple Israel electronically, a more-complex nuclear fusion bomb, as well as a standard fission warhead.

The most devastating, and least reported, aspect of Israel’s campaign may have been its targeting of Iran’s leading nuclear scientists. Sources said strikes in the first hours of the war killed all of Iran’s first and second tier of physicists and other nuclear scientists, as well as most of the third tier. That’s a massive loss of talent, and Israeli officials believe it will deter younger Iranian scientists from participating in a program that proved to be a death sentence.

By killing key Iranian scientists, Israel believes it halted the exotic EMP and fusion programs, an Israeli source said. Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps leaders had encouraged the EMP effort because they believed it wouldn’t violate Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei’s fatwa against nuclear weapons, the Israeli source noted. But rapid progress toward nuclear weapons was happening anyway, regardless of the fatwa, awaiting only a final nod from the leader to build a bomb.


The coordinated and near-simultaneous strikes on Iran’s military and scientific elite were a stunning display of intelligence collection and targeting. But they also demonstrated an ability to coordinate diverse strands of complex data, at a level that may be unprecedented in warfare. Israeli and U.S. sources describe that assault as, at once, an air war, a spy war and an algorithm war. The sources requested anonymity to discuss these sensitive issues.

The United States struck the final blow, with Air Force B-2 bombers carrying bunker-busting bombs and Navy ships launching Tomahawk missiles. That strike capped Israel’s devastation of Iran’s program and gave President Donald Trump a share of the success — and also provided an important demonstration of U.S. military might.

The Trump administration had given Israel a green light to launch its assault on June 13 but signaled it would intervene only if the campaign was going well, the sources said. When Trump declared a ceasefire, Israel was moving into a final phase of attacks intended to topple the regime.


Israel’s after-action assessment matches most details of the reported U.S. analysis. The combination of Israeli and U.S. bombing destroyed the Natanz enrichment facility and disabled the big enrichment complex buried underground at Fordow. Strikes on Isfahan destroyed the uranium conversion facility there needed to turn the fissionable material into a metal plate required for a weapon, the Israeli source said. Strikes also buried a site where Iran had hidden 400 kilograms of highly enriched uranium.
Even if Iran has some other secret caches of highly enriched uranium, this probably wouldn’t help build a “dirty bomb” — a device laden with nuclear material to create a Chernobyl-like diffusion of radiation, Israeli sources said.

Operating with total air superiority after the first two days of the war, the Israelis were able to destroy half of Iran’s 3,000 ballistic missiles and about 80 percent of its 500 missile launchers. Iran had planned to boost its ballistic missile stockpile to 8,000, Israeli sources say, so delaying the attack might have meant much greater damage to the Israeli homeland from counterstrikes. In an unwelcome surprise for Israel, Iran had a larger-than-expected arsenal of solid-fuel missiles, which are harder to target in flight, the Israeli source said.

Beyond targeting the nuclear facilities and the scientists who worked there, Israeli attacks destroyed logistical foundations of the program, including its headquarters, archives, laboratories, and testing equipment, the Israeli source said. This devastation may increase Iran’s desire to possess a nuclear deterrent, but it will be hard to reconstruct all these pieces.

After the decisive 12-day war, a remaining policy dilemma for the Trump administration is whether to seek a new nuclear agreement that would prevent Iran from rebuilding its program. So far, according to U.S. officials, Tehran has balked at a U.S. demand for a ban on enrichment — so the issue might be moot.

Israelis and Americans both hope Iran will remain a signatory of the 1968 Non-Proliferation Treaty, allowing inspection of its facilities by the International Atomic Energy Agency. But for now, and probably for a long time to come, most of those facilities are little more than rubble and dust.

For a second I am sure that msm can't go lower...but they always amaze me with such articles... damn, they destroyed almost all of the launchers and missiles, but were surprised that Iran reacted beyond any exception...

They already destroyed the nuclear capacity of Iran, but the terroristic assassination of the scientists is their capital success... but still Trump’s attacks were decisive...but still unclear if they neutralized Iranian capacity at all.... countless of successes and questionable operation success simultaneously...

Carefully reading and analyzing the article is with potentially schizophrenic consequences...
 
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More for 99% intercepted crowd.
Israel is the best. They are number one. You can rest assured, the other missiles just fell in open fields. One cow, a druze child, and an old shed were only damaged.
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A certain troll "Raptor" will disappear now for few days and come with a new theory regarding 99.9999% interceptions.
 

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