US to soon initiate Military support to Pakistan along with bi-lateral Trade growth, the Economist report

@Raj-Hindustani

Let me explain to you the Pak POV.

India didn't become the outsourcing hub for the IT industry of the West, because it had a large number of skilled IT personnel available at low cost. It was because USA wanted to prop up a counter to PRC.
The West didnt invest billions of dollars in FDI in India because it was a large market or that it offered good returns. It was invested to build up IND as a military counter to PRC.

Hope that explains.

Regards
Thanks I know but my question was when india openly admitted that india will fight a war for west?

As I understand - it was the interests of West to build-up india against the Chinese aggressive but I have never saw a single statement from india that they will join a war against china with west in the future
 
Yup, many were fearing the worst back then, was open talk of "securing" Pakistan's "strategic assets", breaking up the country, sure the US and India has plans.

They had their chance.

Now let us see what happens to India. My feeling is unless you are very closely aligned with one of the two power blocs (China or US) you are on the chopping bloc

Think EU, India and Russia will be the losers in this great game. If US and China do come to some grand bargain, unless you are very close ally, you will be screwed.

Rules of the game are changing almost by the week it seems

Rules of the game are changing. The ONLY constants are that you have a strong, advanced military and economy.
 
When this happened?

When india promised it?

Can you please give any example with the source or statement from the india?

I was having coffee with Clinton and Wajpaye and this was discussed there!

The US media and the world media reported on it and it's not a "hidden" issue that no one knew about it. Take a look at Trump's comments.

I've been saying is since YEAR 2000 that India will fool the West, it will grow and do exactly what you said above "acting in its interest". Turns out I was right.
 
The Economist published a comprehensive report yesterday. It talks about Pakistan's growing relationship with US. Both sides are working on expanding trade ties and the US is working on initiating Military equipment delivery to Pakistan to strengthen its' force's capability. This list has Military gear like Night Vision, Sniper Equipment, F-16's upgrade, BVR missiles, and unconfirmed negotiation on Cobras too.

This report is now on Pakistani media. Watched it on Duniya and Dawn news. The report should propagate to other media in a day or so. The Report starts with:

Pakistan’s army chief, could hardly have wished for more. For almost two years, he had been under fire at home over his meddling in politics. Wracked by debt and insurgent violence, his country had been sidelined in geopolitics as America and other rich countries courted India, Pakistan’s arch-rival. And yet there he was, enjoying a private lunch with Donald Trump in the White House on June 18th, just over a month after Pakistan’s brief conflict with India. Then, at the end of July, came further snubs for India: branding it a “dead economy”, Mr Trump imposed tariffs of 25% while hailing a new trade deal with Pakistan.

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British weekly The Economist has paid a strong tribute to Pakistan’s Army Chief Field Marshal Syed Asim Munir, calling him the architect of a “diplomatic and strategic transformation” in the South Asian region.

A special article published on August 3, The Economist stated that Field Marshal Asim Munir is not only injecting new life into Pak-US relations but is also successfully maintaining balanced ties with China, the Middle East and Gulf countries.

The article pointed out that on June 18, Field Marshal Asim Munir held a private meeting with US President Donald Trump at the White House in Washington, which has been described as the beginning of a diplomatic shift in the region.

Immediately after the meeting, the US imposed a 25% tariff on India and declared it a “dead economy”, while announcing a trade deal with Pakistan and imposing a relatively lower 19% tariff.

According to The Economist, the United States is working seriously on restoring defence, counter-terrorism cooperation, and trade ties with Pakistan, signalling a major shift in American policy in South Asia, China, and the Middle East.

According to the journal, American policymakers are reassessing India’s subversive activities and its role in the region.

American officials have also openly acknowledged Pakistan’s operations against Daesh, and the United States is considering providing Pakistan with armoured vehicles, night vision devices and other defence hardware.

The Economist stated that global diplomats and investors are in direct contact with the field marshal, while President Trump’s inner circle is keenly interested in investing in Pakistan’s crypto and mining sectors.

The magazine further wrote that Field Marshal Asim Munir’s popularity significantly increased after the recent conflict with India.

Despite India’s provocative actions, he responded promptly and effectively without succumbing to pressure – a move that has established him as a strong and decisive leader both within Pakistan and on the global stage.

The Economist’s article is a clear indication that under the leadership of Field Marshal Asim Munir, Pakistan is no longer a pawn in geopolitical games but is emerging as an active and independent policy-making state on the global front.

Every person has their positives and negatives. Pakistani's would do well to remember;
  • The current regime removed the legitimate leader of this country
  • Violently cracked down on protests, killing hundreds
  • Has imprisoned tens of thousands of innocent protestors
  • Has physically tortured multiple politicians
  • Has jailed multiple politicians under false charges
  • Tanked the economy
  • Took credit for recovering the same economy they tanked
  • Rigged an election, lost an election and then rigged it again to impose their selected leaders on the country
Being chummy with an idiot like Trump doesn't change a thing. A swallow doesn't make a summer. The audience on PDF, myself included, has for decades done mental gymnastics to approve the actions of their preferred dictator of choice. We need to break out of the habit. We don't need saviours, we need systems, we need functioning govt bodies.

Having said all that, the current dictator is doing a great job with an equally egotistical Trump. Ultimately Pakistan stands to benefit from that positive relationship. I suspect the US wants to take the edge of the Chinese influence in Pakistan. I think long term that will never happen, it's too late, there is too much water under the bridge.

Take a look at this current "military support". Upgrades to a fighter jet we're deprioritising. A few trinkets and "maybe" attack helicopters, which we've been hearing about for 20 years now. Meanwhile our entire defence is built on the back of Chinese tech.

The thing to focus on is not the irrelevant military aspect, it's the trade deals and investment. Any investment in Pakistan is welcome, American investment is especially welcome. If America has invested in Pakistan significantly, they're less likely to turn toxic. Of course any deal with America is likely poisoned fruit. What they get in exchange, or will want in exchange is yet to show itself.

You have to trust the self preservation tactics of the establishment. They reign like pharaohs only because Pakistan exists. Without Pakistan, their kingdoms disappear. Switzerland, USA, UK, UAE offer a wealthy life, they don't offer the power they crave. That fairooniyat - is only possible in Pakistan, so I assume, they'll do everything to preserve Pakistan and the conditions that allow them to have unlimited power.

In the meantime, the crumbs that fall off their table, might slowly roll into the plates of the working and middle classes.
 
@Raj-Hindustani

but my question was when india openly admitted that india will fight a war for west?

Well evidently there is some agreement, which is known to all Pakistanis but not known to us Indians, that IND will fight for the West.

@Yasser76

Almost meaningless term, no real benefits to it unless US is in a good mood

Ah! There you go. The QUAD is similar, no benefits unless India is in a good mood.

Regards
 
I was having coffee with Clinton and Wajpaye and this was discussed there!

The US media and the world media reported on it and it's not a "hidden" issue that no one knew about it. Take a look at Trump's comments.

I've been saying is since YEAR 2000 that India will fool the West, it will grow and do exactly what you said above "acting in its interest". Turns out I was right.
Do you have any source for the claim?
 
He mentions IT subcontracting towards the end.

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If Pakistan works hard they can push up their IT exports to $20 billion and beyond very rapidly. It's there for the the taking.

Sindh and Punjab can produce solid IT workers in mass quantities.


IT exports target 1 is $ 25 billion. Long term, some estimates, that will require hard work here and centers of excellences built, would mean $ 50 to 100 billion in IT revenue. It can be broken down between exports, offshoring and local IT industry and digitization projects. With near 250 million people and high IT graduation rate, I think $100 B is achievable.
 
They’ve realized that India will never sacrifice its own people to fight someone else’s war — no matter how hard they try to push.

India is acting purely in its own national interest, and now they’re frustrated because they can’t control that.
That realization that India is nobody's ally is the reason countries are now putting a ceiling on the India relationship. Next step should be restricting the Western student and work visas that Indians have been enjoying a monopoly over for last 30 years. Actually an analysis of these visas shower Brahmin Males were the recipients of 90% of such visas with an occasional Muslim or Sikh.
 
I was having coffee with Clinton and Wajpaye and this was discussed there!

The US media and the world media reported on it and it's not a "hidden" issue that no one knew about it. Take a look at Trump's comments.

I've been saying is since YEAR 2000 that India will fool the West, it will grow and do exactly what you said above "acting in its interest". Turns out I was right.

Credit where it's due. india was able to fool and extract trillions of dollars from the west and america. The americans and the west ACTUALLY believed the indians when they said they would take on China if they continued to invest in india.............. :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:.........us Pakistanis on PDF knew the indians never would. We got it right, the us state department got it wrong........:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
 
Pakistanis will get happy and stat jumping up and down. then new administration will cancel it and same Pakistanis will cry

That is why you order that can be delivered by Jan 20th, 2029 and payment on delivery terms.
 
Credit where it's due. india was able to fool and extract trillions of dollars from the west and america. The americans and the west ACTUALLY believed the indians when they said they would take on China if they continued to invest in india.............. :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:.........us Pakistanis on PDF knew the indians never would. We got it right, the us state department got it wrong........:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:

Isko ham bolte hen "phudoo banana" :ROFLMAO:
 
@PAKISTANFOREVER

Why don't you promise to fight PRC? You could extract trillions of dollars and unlike us Hindus, you guys can fight!

Regards

Nah.......the Chinese are our allies. We can NEVER forget how much they have done for us.
 
@Raj-Hindustani

but my question was when india openly admitted that india will fight a war for west?

Well evidently there is some agreement, which is known to all Pakistanis but not known to us Indians, that IND will fight for the West.

@Yasser76

Almost meaningless term, no real benefits to it unless US is in a good mood

Ah! There you go. The QUAD is similar, no benefits unless India is in a good mood.

Regards

True, but both India and US have put in a lot of investment into the relationship, i just think now a dose of realism is coming into it.

India did not want to be US policeman and US would not back India in any war.

India wanted full help in developing it's own industry, US wanted high value off the shelf ticket sales.
 

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