US to soon initiate Military support to Pakistan along with bi-lateral Trade growth, the Economist report

[RafaleSlayer]

Fake news.
The Economist report talked of only night visions devices and armored vehicles (MRAPs) which are of no threat to India.

you should be happy, stay happy, we are happy for you to stay comfortable and happy.

 

[Lulldapull]

I would say it is the "terminal daze" being experienced by india at the moment that is most relevant, maybe they will just succumb to eternal coma and fade away in the darkness.

The hillbillay will use the hendu, in someway.......one way or another.......This I agree with you on.......

Hillbilla only wants one thing.......gain, otherwise he discards da colludz........no shit!

My contentiion has always been k the 1% brahmindzz using the 99% dalit. Busss.......

 

[PakFactor]

Or that irrelevant Senate members are getting a free trip at the expense of Pakistani taxpayers. Most of these fellows will hang around roaming , eating , drinking and spending TA/DA money or visiting relatives.

Ive seen these fellows do here first hand including time spent at bars getting shitfaced - so not buying any of the feel good tripe.

Yes the relationship is changing but sending these good for nothing freeloaders here on a trip that only 10% will actually do anything to benefit Pakistan is just a slap to Pakistanis on their face but needed to keep this military facade government the support it needs

I believe you've said what needs to be said about this reproach, if you will call it that. I've failed to see Pakistan capitalize on any window of opportunity over the last 30+ years. The last opening was Musharaff. He could have done wonders, but as a typical Pakistani, short-term gains are not much for the long run; this, too, shall be the same.

In a relationship, there is some sort of equivalent exchange, be it economic, etc. I do not see much that Pakistan can give, except the typical military-to-military; it's not going to have much benefit for the common person.

 

[That_Guy]

Highly unlikely - those upgrades are allowed by LM for Turkish vipers only.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I read that the ozgur upgrades for the Turkish blk 15 to blk 30 were done without US consent, as Turkiye had access to the relevant source code. The blk 50+ is where Turkiye seems to need permission, as they don't have the source code for that.

But again, what i read could be completely wrong.

 

[SecularNationalist]

You could have just said renewal of Transactional Relationship

A relationship we must avoid and learn from the past.
As I've said many times no more US military equipment that comes with strings attached. Time to go 100% chinese.

 

[Fatman17]

A relationship we must avoid and learn from the past.
As I've said many times no more US military equipment that comes with strings attached. Time to go 100% chinese.

In a ideal world yes but have to live with the whole world .

 

[RajaBaja]

Ive seen these fellows do here first hand including time spent at bars getting shitfaced - so not buying any of the feel good tripe.

Yes the relationship is changing but sending these good for nothing freeloaders here on a trip that only 10% will actually do anything to benefit Pakistan is just a slap to Pakistanis on their face but needed to keep this military facade government the support it needs

Ok, I see your issue now, its one man. I obviously can't help you.

I can also tell that you've not been up the real ladder. Getting sh8 faced is part of the game. In fact, in the US and Europe, MORE business is closed in Bars, Golf Courses and on Yachts, than in their massive downtown high rises.

These people need to enjoy America, just bring Pakistan back large trade volumes and US investments. That does the work.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

By your previous questions, you seem like a smart guy. Not sure if this question even passes common sense.

What the US firms, their scientists, geologists and Pakistani counter parts have done in terms of exploration, scans, along with digging and sample testing, are considered a national secret. If it wasn't, I am more than SURE Barrick Gold's CEO would've put it out there to increase their share price, like they do in the US / Canada / Africa discoveries. But the only thing they've put out there is estimated value.

I'd suggest we wait until the work starts, its not too far in the future and we'll all get ALL the answers. Lastly, if ANYONE had access to that data, they would be total idiots to share it on some online forum and that's called treason

When the US President comments on the critical minerals in Pakistan - especially, at the backdrop of the Chinese sanctions on them - it carries strategic policy implications. It's not about mere $s, it's about a part of the "spy games" with carrots and sticks. Unfortunately, a NO is no answer here....

 

[Yasser76]

Donald Trump Risks Tanking Twenty-Five Years of U.S.-India Relations​

Donald Trump Risks Tanking Twenty-Five Years of U.S.-India Relations

The repoliticization of bilateral relations is a slow-motion catastrophe.

carnegieendowment.org

 

[RajaBaja]

When the US President comments on the critical minerals in Pakistan - especially, at the backdrop of the Chinese sanctions on them - it carries strategic policy implications. It's not about mere $s, it's about a part of the "spy games" with carrots and sticks. Unfortunately, a NO is no answer here....

What's really at play is US's dependence on China!! China can stop the flow of Rare Earth's and US industry will stop. Pakistan will become a second supplier for REM's. So in case of a conflict, we can't replace China's massive production, but we can provide enough REM's to keep the American electronics industry afloat.

There is no carrot or stick here. Us Pakistanis are used to that dilemma. That's usually what happens when you have ONE dimensional relations, like military to military. They've invited our senators, etc, that's the protocol they and the West in general uses when they form a strategic partner ship.

In previous days, weapons like F-16's were the carrot. That time has passed. We've fought and won a small war without American weapons.

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

I respect your views. I take a longer view than most people and I'm convinced when and if India purchases F35, the US Will become Pakistan's foe outright as the F35s will transform India's air force eco-system to that of the US/NATO and their pilots will likely become on par with pilots from Pakistan. Not to mention the Americans will pull every trick in the book to ensure these do not get shot down in any future conflict with the Indians. The Indians will be salivating orgasmically in trying to rehabilitate their p*ss-poor reputation when it comes to their military losses.

This is what many do not understand. The geopolitics of India is still the same... US just wants to co-opt it for good... it is essentially telling India to ditch its strategic autonomy!!! Because India failed in every metric...

US, read Trump, wants India to purchase American weapons, choke Russia and its source of income... prop up India to be a true counterweight managed under strict US supervision. Protocols exist... new canbe established or sorted. It will allow greater economic and military control over India. So far India is resisting but as the intensity and pain increases so grow the chances of Indian capitulation. And there goes the leverage that Pakistan offers...

As I said the only thing Pakistan can get out of this is development of its shale infrastructure at favorable terms that will free Pakistan from both Middle Eastern oil and dear need for dollars as instrument of international trade. Once the drain to national wealth is plugged the conditions of everyday people slaving will improve drastically.

This is the cold hard truth in geopolitical calculus... which Pakistan simply cannot offer the US ... heedless and its worst victim. Tea leaves aren't what they used to be...

 

[Yasser76]

Have we ever considered the fact that now Pakistan has got equals to the F-16V, P-3C and AH-1Z in the form of J-10C, Sea Sultan and Z-10 that this may have helped our negotiating position?

If both COAS and CAS went to Washington and implied we could easily and happily live without F-16V and AH-1Z then that may have put US in a bind? For 50 years they could always depend on Pak Mil chasing latest weapons and a dependency on US spares. Bar the F-16 spares there is literally no real dependency I can think of, even Chinese ground radars beat our TPS-77s.

Perversly this may have helped our negotiating position with Washington, if a person goes into a negotiation with a customer knowing their product is not the very latest anymore or their potential customer has similar products bought from their rival, than naturally you are in a weaker position.

Also remember much of US past policy was to not introduce a new capability into the region, even sales to India were significant but not new capabilities that either side could not get from elswhere.

I guess the point I am making, with the Rafale/Meteor combo and the J-10C/PL-15 co,mbo in the region, selling the F-16V/AIM-120D combo is no big deal at all. 10 years ago yes, now, not really.

That is good for Pakistan

 

[RajaBaja]

This is what many do not understand. The geopolitics of India is still the same... US just wants to co-opt it for good... it is essentially telling India to ditch its strategic autonomy!!! Because India failed in every metric...

US, read Trump, wants India to purchase American weapons, choke Russia and its source of income... prop up India to be a true counterweight managed under strict US supervision. Protocols exist... new canbe established or sorted. It will allow greater economic and military control over India. So far India is resisting but as the intensity and pain increases so grow the chances of Indian capitulation. And there goes the leverage that Pakistan offers...

As I said the only thing Pakistan can get out of this is development of its shale infrastructure at favorable terms that will free Pakistan from both Middle Eastern oil and dear need for dollars as instrument of international trade. Once the drain to national wealth is plugged the conditions of everyday people slaving will improve drastically.

This is the cold hard truth in geopolitical calculus... which Pakistan simply cannot offer the US ... heedless and its worst victim. Tea leaves aren't what they used to be...

The KEY is the Rare Earth Minerals. US is depending upon Chins with China having 90% monopoly. US can't really go against China because the REM's run their ENTIRE economy based on electronic and electronic are build by REM's. Pakistan becomes a second supplier of the REM's to the US. So US will have a long term dependency on Pakistan. By helping it grow and become a stable nation, their REM's needs will be met, and other business investment will also generate positive results.

India-US and Pak-US relations are now separate for the US. When a Western country invites your governing structure, like Senate, etc, that means they want to form a people to people strategic relationship, like the US has with South Korea, UK, India, etc.

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

The KEY is the Rare Earth Minerals. US is depending upon Chins with China having 90% monopoly. US can't really go against China because the REM's run their ENTIRE economy based on electronic and electronic are build by REM's. Pakistan becomes a second supplier of the REM's to the US. So US will have a long term dependency on Pakistan. By helping it grow and become a stable nation, their REM's needs will be met, and other business investment will also generate positive results.

India-US and Pak-US relations are now separate for the US. When a Western country invites your governing structure, like Senate, etc, that means they want to form a people to people strategic relationship, like the US has with South Korea, UK, India, etc.

Too early, besides US is targeting other sources of rare earth's simultaneously. It is a time consuming, costly and an environmental pitfall... besides as you noted yourself it is an alternative to China... guess where India fits in that matrix... this round peg is square...
Longterm policy isn't sorted and China is Pakistans primary source of stability and protection in a region where decades of American investment in India is on backfoot. It is simultaneously losing in Ukraine and lastly in Mideast.
By forcing India to quit Russian oil... US is shoring up a flagging front in Ukraine... adding costs to European energy. All for an eventual Russian collapse!
Remember India already caved on Iranian oil... which suited Pakistan in the long run and exposed their true loyalties. I think it is a matter of time before they do the same to Russians. In fact, it helps Pakistan as well... it did already as Russians understand geopolitical inclinations dictating Indian moves or strings that ring their tunes.

Observe.

 

[RajaBaja]

Too early, besides US is targeting other sources of rare earth's simultaneously. It is a time consuming, costly and an environmental pitfall... besides as you noted yourself it is an alternative to China... guess where India fits in that matrix... this round peg is square...
Longterm policy isn't sorted and China is Pakistans primary source of stability and protection in a region where decades of American investment in India is on backfoot. It is simultaneously losing in Ukraine and lastly in Mideast.
By forcing India to quit Russian oil... US is shoring up a flagging front in Ukraine... adding costs to European energy. All for an eventual Russian collapse!
Remember India already caved on Iranian oil... which suited Pakistan in the long run and exposed their true loyalties. I think it is a matter of time before they do the same to Russians. In fact, it helps Pakistan as well... it did already as Russians understand geopolitical inclinations dictating Indian moves or strings that ring their tunes.

Observe.

Us Pakistanis get stuck on our ideas and don't expand that thought process. India-US and US-PAK relations are separate to the US.

Just like that, PAK-China and PAK-US relations are and will always be separate. Try to understand the logic, I'll explain again I guess:

- China is our MAIN defense, science, tech and future CPEC related trade partner. No one is replacing that.

- US will be our second MAIN TRADE partner. Because through our read to extract REM's, it BENEFITS the US to form a close relation with us so the supply can never be at risk. This includes allowing Pakistan a bigger share of the US market for trade and buying things from Pakistan. We will buy some American weapons but they will be just like how we kept F-16's in recent war, not critical. That will be Chinese assets.

Lastly, we need to quit this mentality of "they are talking to ten other people". Global geo-politics means interests. They can talk and do business with 20 other people, who cares? As long as their commitment to us are good and we are getting economic benefits, that should be our key focus, INTEREST BASED.