Pakistan Rocket Force Command News and Discussions

The Rocket Force has one theme "Rocket In - Rocket Out". You can change the Rocket with Missile if you like. No time wasted in target mapping, etc. The central command says "go" and it "goes"!

Secondly, depends on the target it needs to achieve, there won't be 1 or 2 TEL launching 4 or 8 rockets. Again, per the target given, it can attack from 3 dimensions simultaneously with a mix of stand off munitions + rockets + missiles. Or, for some target it could determine it only requires supersonic missiles, etc. That "Rocket / Missile solution book" that's "ready-to-go" is their area of specialty.
I agree it will be multi dimensional attacks, but I think F1 rockets are cheap compared to F2/F4's so using them in numbers to overwhelmed the IA AD systems is not a bad idea, to take out a HVT like S-400, 1-2 good direct hits are enough which can be done by F4's.
I know its not official but this new command indicates that Pakistan will be relying on more conventional weapons than resorting to use Tactical nukes which is a big shift, call it the need of time or incompetency of Indians, we should not underestimate them but we sure did overestimate their capabilities in both 2019-2025.
 
This is more towards process re-engineering or process optimization. The Army already has rockets and missiles. However, it made sense to "optimize the process" by making it an autonomous force within Army's command so it's leadership team can manage its vast resources that will go into it. It also cuts the red tape of planning.

India fires 10 Bra-Mouse for example, and currently, there will be discussions and planning to respond. With Rocket Force, that's cut out. They attack us, the Rocket Force tell the leadership as soon as it detects the attack that we are "ready to go" for targets a,b,c,d,e,f immediately. Orders received and buttons pressed, response dispatched.

Imagine how much time and effort will be saved.

To strike India anywhere with precision you need more then anything shown publicly so far, including Fatah4.

I’ll give Rocket Force 5 years to accomplish that.

Federal government need to do economic reform on war footing. For exemple federal entities/SOE alone loss like $2.5 billion every year.
 
Just in. Announcement by PM on the eve 14th Aug.

That’s a major box ticked.
Hopefully, this rocket force wouldn’t be limited to land forces only & PAF makes Air launched ballistic missiles a priority. 2 to 3 squadrons of jets able to launch aero-ballistic missiles will provide a huge boost to Pakistan’s firepower projection.

Next step we must use our geography/topography effectively & either move or construct new underground Airbases on the western side of the indus.

Above all, we must prepare our populace for the coming war & the cost & sacrifices associated with it. Can’t afford panic or hysteria when body blows are taken. Unrealistic, ill informed, irresponsible & flagellant, opinion makers are just as dangerous as any Brahmos launched by enemy.
 
The 2nd round is moving farther away. Bharat now has to redouble her efforts and resources at the Pak borders. It implies less resources available at the Chinese and BD borders. A welcome development.....

No wonder the IAF Chief has already declared a victory by faking the downed PAF jets....
 
Before you express this view, you should first carefully study the PLA's current organizational structure and command system.
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The PLA's current joint combat system is built on this organizational structure, which is completely incompatible with Pakistan's command system.
Which view?
Every country has their own war doctrine but allies share and learn.
China war doctrine is to take Taiwan, defend Tibet, Laddakh, strait of malcca, trade with the world, belt and road, cpec.
Pakistan's to take j&k, defend its rivers, cpec, regional interests.
Nevertheless, Pakistan is China's most dependable ally who provided China a window to the world in 50s.
There is never one-to-one mapping of respective command structures, but there are synergies.
 
Sir this is impressive thinking but I've given years of my life to this missile program of ours and I can but only *sigh* at the difference b/w expectations and reality.

Long story short, our current industrial base and production capacities are so out of depth that one cant imagine. We can raise another 10 commands and produce 30 more variants of the same 20 yr old missiles. We needed a national emergency effort in which we 10x our defence budget, expanded the industrial base, and took steps to retain talent. Without that, all doctrines are fancy imaginations.

Progress isnt made with wishful thinking. Where is our talent? It's gone abroad. Our main industries (Nescom, NDC, PMO, etc) are horrible at retaining talent bcz of horrible pay packages, vintage environments, and thick bureacratic culture. As a result, your entire strategic program is basically in the hands of uncles from 2002 batches of UET Taxila, UET Peshawar, etc. The entire organizations are infested with UET uncles who never upgraded since they graduated 25 yrs ago. The % of fresh blood is less that 5% and that too with average guys who couldnt leave Pakistan. Where do you think the R&D will come from? These uncles will give you progress? The reality is that we are still producing vintage stuff with new packaging and almost 100% help from China.

I can go on and on but I hope this drives the point that this is regression instead of improvement.

The logic is simple. There's no progress unless you throw huge money, talent and dedicated people at someting.
Dont layer on the truth that hard.
Unfortunately, neither the uncles at the top nor the middle nor anywhere else are interested in listening.

Better to leave to that 1% of competence that is holding this house of cards together and enjoy the speculation on the model created by Shabbir & Sons Fiberglass model shop who also fabricate the Dinosaur models that adorn Bahria town.
 
Before you express this view, you should first carefully study the PLA's current organizational structure and command system.
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The PLA's current joint combat system is built on this organizational structure, which is completely incompatible with Pakistan's command system.
Officers exchanges usually come in from theater commands but the connection is exaggerated.

It is more a case of provider-client relationships than actual military alliance.

There are attaché in key commands - any coordination or requests go through them and then they go up their specific chains of command.

There is no networked plug in or data connection as fantasied by some here.

BYD dealerships in Pakistan may end up having tighter coordination than this imagined one by Indians and some Pakistanis.
 
Indian media is already crazy-reporting on this issue. It's obvious, they are calling PA now an extension of PLA with the same structure. The Rocket Force idea has hit India pretty heavy. But it's starting of Pakistan's rise as a 6th largest military power in the world!!

Here is ONE analysis on this:

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It's just announced and Banya's are already shitting in their pants. Basically our adversary is very very coward and if such plans by Pakistan are well implemented it will give banyas extreme nightmares in future.
 
Officers exchanges usually come in from theater commands but the connection is exaggerated.

It is more a case of provider-client relationships than actual military alliance.

There are attaché in key commands - any coordination or requests go through them and then they go up their specific chains of command.

There is no networked plug in or data connection as fantasied by some here.

BYD dealerships in Pakistan may end up having tighter coordination than this imagined one by Indians and some Pakistanis.
You can carefully study the PLA's new organizational structure and command system. It is completely different from those currently used by other countries around the world.

This is the PLA's advance preparation for a future war (a possible full-scale war between China and the United States).
 
To strike India anywhere with precision you need more then anything shown publicly so far, including Fatah4.

I’ll give Rocket Force 5 years to accomplish that.

Federal government need to do economic reform on war footing. For exemple federal entities/SOE alone loss like $2.5 billion every year.

The Pakistani establishment could recover the stolen $15 billion from Nawaz Sharif family and another $15 billion from Zardari family, hold them accountable, and permanently remove them from politics. Instead of recycling failed leadership, it could pave the way for two new political parties under a controlled framework….something resembling a soft martial law setup, but with fresh faces and national interest at the core
 
PLA Chain of Command:

The highest strategic decision::
Central Military Commission Joint Operations Command Center
Commander-in-Chief: Chairman of the Central Military Commission


Military Operations Command Organization:
Five theater joint operations command centers
Commander-in-Chief: Theater Commander
It is the only highest joint combat command organization in the strategic direction of the theater.

The core idea of the PLA's 2016 military reform is "军委管总、战区主战、军种主建."
It means: CMC is responsible for the overall strategic direction; theater organizations are mainly responsible for actual war operations; and service organizations are mainly responsible for military construction.

In this chain of command, military agencies do not have independent command authority and must obtain orders or authorization from the theater joint operations command center before they can command their respective forces.
For example:
Commander of the Western Theater Command Army
Commander of a certain group army
Commander of a certain combined arms brigade
...
These officers do not directly and independently command their subordinate troops.
 
Stop throwing yourself around the forum as if you're some hi tech individual - all you are is a new ID - dont insult or be facetious with respected members.
Be respectful and you will in return be respected
I'd really appreciate if your lecturing is also directed towards the 'respected' members who instigated me at the first place.

'All you are is a new ID'.
This is the sort of thinking the degrades the quality on these forums. You judge arguments based on how old the member is. That is the reason some of the most 'seasoned' members on this forum are the ones with the most ridiculous takes. They're only senior bcz they kept on posting useless garbage for years, not bcz of value addition or time spent in the defence industry. Offcourse not all members are the same.

Now, a bit about my 'seniority'. I originally joined this forum more than 11 years ago in 2014 with the username Alpha BeeTee. Spent years here but lost interest bcz I got sick and tired of the useless speculation and fanboyism related to our missile program. I was working inside the industry and to me, this forum became a lala land for teenage enthusiasts. The original account got lost when there was a mess up with the original defence.pk forum 2-3 years ago.

I was never going to return to this forum but bcz don't know why I started visiting again after the recent conflict b/w Ind vs Pak.

The sheer misinformation about our missile program, the tall claims, all that bakwaas was too much to handle for me and I ended up created this account in desparation to shoot down ridiculous claims about our program's supposed grandeous and capabilities. I know this is a futile exercise and my effort is a temporary run. I've already run out of gas and hardly visit the forum. I just cant tolerate uninformed individuals peddling as gurus/experts
and spilling all sorts of non sense about the missile program. Nobody inside the industry is a 'know-it-all' but I certainly know alot more that most conspiracy theorists here who get aggressive when I poke holes in their stupid claims about our capabilities.

So yeah, you should have some context before you wish to teach mannerisms to 'new-IDs' on this forum. Lastly, your first sentence is also an attempted insult, don't be self contradictory and apply your standards to yourself first.
 
Dont layer on the truth that hard.
Unfortunately, neither the uncles at the top nor the middle nor anywhere else are interested in listening.

Better to leave to that 1% of competence that is holding this house of cards together and enjoy the speculation on the model created by Shabbir & Sons Fiberglass model shop who also fabricate the Dinosaur models that adorn Bahria town.
It's probably a good thing that people like us are bound by non disclosure agreements and have a Divine obligation to never spill the beans bcz the truth would make most of the fanboys vommit. You poke a tiny bit of hole in their narrative of our grandeous and they start accusing you of being Indian, or an attention seeker, or a liar.
Most of these are university kids or retired uncs from non-defence industries. They dont have an iota of how inept the system is.

The holy 'Difai Idaaray' are supreme and cant supposedly do magnanimous F-ups that jeoperdize our national security. They just dont realize what we escaped in the recent conflict and what a week long war would've meant for our defence ecosystem. All India needs is a two-weeks space to fight a conventional war and that would be software update for all our enthusiasts. God forbid this.


There's no space for truth and the house of cards must keep on standing.
 

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