Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[muhammed45]

Since 2003 Iran gained 2 friends: Yemen and Iraq. However we should consolidate our influence and never allow to lose friends again (like in Syria). Ansarallah should liberate rest of Yemen, Hezbollah is threatened now. We've to act and prevent zionists toppling our friends. It all started with martyrdom of Soleimani. Toppling of Assad, bringing Trump to power, attacking Iran, all were part of their long term strategy to destroy Iran.

IRI was not prepared. I didnt see heads roll, spies and incompetent figures remain at the same position, ready to be activated again. How many more should be martyred? who is responsible for this mess? why no one resigns?

About the last paragraph, you surely aware that it was a sudden attack on Iran, right?

It could destroy any powerful country but Iran remained safe. It wasn't Israel alone, it was orchestrated by the US. Repelling such as intense attack while all the NATO jets were present over Syria and Iraq and Jordan wasn't an easy task.

I guess, next time we will preemptively attack Jews.

 

[shapurzolaktaf]

About the last paragraph, you surely aware that it was a sudden attack on Iran, right?

It could destroy any powerful country but Iran remained safe. It wasn't Israel alone, it was orchestrated by the US. Repelling such as intense attack while all the NATO jets were present over Syria and Iraq and Jordan wasn't an easy task.

I guess, next time we will preemptively attack Jews.

My friend, ofcourse I know whole NATO was behind this surprise attack, but how many times should we be caught off guard? Soleimani, Nasrallah, Fakhrizadeh, Syria, all happened suddenly. Why do our important scientists drive in old cars? Why do our important military and scientists not live in gated communities? why don't they have caged protective rooms? the zionists have that for their ordinary citizens. I've no security background, just few things what I'm mentioning.

Why does enemy gets loan from Iranian banks to create drones to kill Iranians? Why were drones so easy to produce, to buy inside Iran knowing the dangers of drones and its use by terrorists. Why could enemies approach air defence systems from nearby and destroy them?

I can put 100 more examples of incomptence, this is what you get by nepotism, bandbazi, partybazi. Will they wake up to understand that a prayer bump on forehead is not enough to prevent terrorists killing our civilians, scientists and destruction of our infrastructure.

What is happening in Baluchistan? every few weeks 5 soldiers, police get martyred. Mossad and regional allies have activated their terrorists. Our country is in danger, yet I see the same incompetent figures being recycled, giving new positions, none of them is up to date about todays world, warfare.

 

[Immortals]

Why does it feel like some kind of boneless piece of crap?

The author hates Iran. Has written constant negative articles on Iran for years.

 

[BigMela2onin]

Don't tell the story upside down. It was Zionists that asked for it and Iran didn't refuse. We needed to rebuild IADS' damaged parts.

When Nasirzadeh says a few more days and the jews could no longer interceptors any missiles it means one of a few things; he is lying, Iran's military commanders are totally incompetent to have mercy on their enemies in such a way, or the coward civilian leadership ordered the war to end. You are correct that this is a war against NATO, so who do you think can rebuild faster, us or them?

You are speaking out of your rear end. No one could lead Iran safely while surrounded with enemies like the current leader.

Iran is not safe, with another terrorist attack occuring in balochistan just today. It also is rationing water and electricity.

The threats that country faces need to be prioritized. And a mob like you cannot understand it. Developing nuclear weapon is not something that saves Iran from current threats.

When the jews escalate to nukes how will you respond without nukes? Or is the destruction of "israel" not actually important for you? And if Iran had nukes, neither the jews nor the US would have attacked in the first place.

 

[Shafagh]

And if Iran had nukes, neither the jews nor the US would have attacked in the first place.

I disagree.

If Iran had nukes, the Israelis and Americans may tone down support for separatist groups in Iran, but they would absolutely continue sabotage attacks, cyber attacks, bombings, assassinations.

None of those activities would warrant a nuclear response, and if Iran did respond with a nuclear weapon, it would be the end. You don't think U.S and Israelis would retaliate with a nuclear weapon?

Ahmadinejad knows this. In an interview during his presidency, he said "If we used a nuke, our cities would burn"

Those nukes sit in their silos.

The time to get a nuke is over.

It's time to think of a different form of deterrence.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

I disagree.

If Iran had nukes, the Israelis and Americans may tone down support for separatist groups in Iran, but they would absolutely continue sabotage attacks, cyber attacks, bombings, assassinations.

None of those activities would warrant a nuclear response, and if Iran did respond with a nuclear weapon, it would be the end. You don't think U.S and Israelis would retaliate with a nuclear weapon?

Ahmadinejad knows this. In an interview during his presidency, he said "If we used a nuke, our cities would burn"

Those nukes sit in their silos.

The time to get a nuke is over.

It's time to think of a different form of deterrence.

Nukes are the ultimate deterence. IF the Palestinians had EVEN 2 nuclear devices, the genocide in Gaza would not have happened.

 

[Garcia Sea]

ran's leadership is completely in denial of reality. It is Israel, it is Netanyahu, that will determine Iran's fate.
What is the point of negotiations with the IAEA, the US, or the EU? They will fully support Netanyahu if he attacks Iran, defending Israel with their vast air power, providing aerial refueling, and supplying weapons as if they were unlimited.
Any negotiation is futile unless Netanyahu says he will spare Iran, and that is 100% impossible.
The reformists actually understand this, but they are simply in denial.

 

[BigMela2onin]

I disagree.

If Iran had nukes, the Israelis and Americans may tone down support for separatist groups in Iran, but they would absolutely continue sabotage attacks, cyber attacks, bombings, assassinations.

None of those activities would warrant a nuclear response, and if Iran did respond with a nuclear weapon, it would be the end. You don't think U.S and Israelis would retaliate with a nuclear weapon?

Ahmadinejad knows this. In an interview during his presidency, he said "If we used a nuke, our cities would burn"

Those nukes sit in their silos.

The time to get a nuke is over.

It's time to think of a different form of deterrence.

I mean the jews would not have bombed Iran openly and neither would the US. Of course covert warfare continues.

 

[ToddE]

Iran has been brought down systematically. Years and years of planning by historical enemies of Iran and decades of patience but finally its happening.

Shahi Iran was too powerful for Turkey, Russia, Arab league, UK, France to bring down on itself, all historical enemies of Iran. Worlds 4th largest military with a powerful Airforce, trained by US itself. Also the historical heritage weight was there, something that no country bordering Iran could claim. Iran was more empowered by US than Israel. It had worlds 12th largest Economy by GDP at one point. KGB targeted the nationalist Shahi Government through leftist sentiments originated during WWII and Mossadegh Fiasco. Shah was too lenient towards this poison being seeded in the Iranian society. When he could not control this USSR pushed agents, west parachuted the Mullahs in to turn tables on USSR. They played the same game in Afghanistan, Turkey, Egypt, Pakistan, Iran to create a "Islamic Crescent" against USSR/Russia. Iran entered the dark ages under this Islamo-Marxist system. System got butchered, the nation that was supposed to become Japan or France of Middle east became North Korea minus the nukes. Iranian lives no longer matter, IRI's illiterate mullahs want to sacrifice a 3000 years old empire for their "principles". They have partially already succeeded.

 

[Hack-Hook]

okay, lets pretend there are no water or power shortages in Iran. feel better now?

when you have such level of propaganda, it's obviously not Iranian, but rather comes from some European / US / Israeli troll

This Saturday closures Is rationalise for lack of water and energy , the real reason is Tuesday is closed , Friday is closed and Sunday is also close
They wanted to close Saturday so thee go wacation from Wednesday evening till Sunday night

 

[ShapurII]

Next time Jews won't be spared

Next time, next time, next time...

TP1 was a weak response: It was just a warning. Next time we will finish off Israel.
TP2 we hit the middle of nowhere: We didn't want to turn it into a war. Next time we will finish off Israel.
TP3 they actually launched a war on us: No, it's not a war. If we refuse to declare a war, everyone should assume it's not. Next time we will finish off Israel...

It's a sad comedy.

 

[ShapurII]

One of Iranian pilgrims in Arbaeen was beaten by the Iraqi police for having an Iranian flag. We have people here who say our problems are all history and we and Iraqis are the besties now.

واکنش تند ابوعزرائیل به برخورد با پرچم ایران

ابوعزرائیل به فیلم وایرال شده از برخورد یک نظامی عراقی با زائر ایرانی که پرچم ایران داشت، به شدت واکنش نشان داد. او خطاب به این عناصر معدود گفت: «آبروی ما را بردید، از امام حسین خجالت بکشید» اعتراض این فرمانده مقاومت عراق را با زیرنویس فارسی می‌بینید و می‌شنوید.

www.tabnak.ir

 

[Shafagh]

ran's leadership is completely in denial of reality. It is Israel, it is Netanyahu, that will determine Iran's fate.
What is the point of negotiations with the IAEA, the US, or the EU? They will fully support Netanyahu if he attacks Iran, defending Israel with their vast air power, providing aerial refueling, and supplying weapons as if they were unlimited.
Any negotiation is futile unless Netanyahu says he will spare Iran, and that is 100% impossible.
The reformists actually understand this, but they are simply in denial.

It is not impossible. Trump is a populist. Even if he is compromised, his voters have his ear. At the very least, Iran could distance him from participating in Netanyahu's wars. You need to give your adversary what they want... just not the way they want it.

It's worth a shot. Just give up enrichment, wait until he leaves office. It is a bitter pill to swallow, but other countries have negotiated under far worse circumstances. Get several billions in sanction relief, reduce tensions a little bit, deal with Israel one on one. Stabilize the economy, dump a few billion back into the air force and focus on one or two projects, use F5, Owj, Sofre Mahi, as base.

Send officials to CNN and Fox news and get a message across to Americans, MAGA especially. Half of them are turning on Israel already. Say what you want about Zarif, but he did a great job painting Iran as the victim, and appealing to more liberal minded western audiences.

Israelis and Neo-cons see Iran regime change as "kill the supreme leader and senior leadership" and the regime will end. Islamic Republic is not a single unitary one party dictatorship; it is an institution. There are factions and institutions that divide power. They think the subsequent power vaccuum would tear the country apart. It is possible, I am not naiive. But to be honest, Iranians are not arabs, who turn against themselves at the flip of a coin. I trust they can rebuild government. If Israel, attacks, then even easier for Iran.

Every country that they toppled has had governance concentrated around 1 single authority i.e Saddam, Gaddafi, Assad etc. This led to a complete anarchy that I don't expect to occur in Iran.

Put together younger, smarter minds. People from Sepah/Artesh step up, put together a technocratic council, rebuild the country. There are people like this on the principalist and the reform side.

At least Iran would emerge from this as the only country to have smacked Israel around and survived.

 

[Eşbah]

If we are all in consensus that Israel will launch another potentially deadly assault on Iran, then why isn't the Iranian leadership the one to catch Israel off guard with a significant strike? Why wait for the Israeli offensive to react? Why defer the unavoidable? Why not take control of the situation and be the power house that establishes the initiative? Being the first to strike offers numerous strategic benefits as well.

 

[Shafagh]

If we are all in consensus that Israel will launch another potentially deadly assault on Iran, then why isn't the Iranian leadership the one to catch Israel off guard with a significant strike? Why wait for the Israeli offensive to react? Why defer the unavoidable? Why not take control of the situation and be the power house that establishes the initiative? Being the first to strike offers numerous strategic benefits as well.

They are afraid of U.S response. Iran cannot build a narrative for international audience, like Israel can.

That's why I said my post above about starting to work on Public relations, international diplomacy, to depict Iran as the victim.

No more of this "IsRaEl CaNnoT tOuCh uS, we wiLl wiPe tHem ofF tHe mAP" and then get bombed and lose entire senior command in one night. That is absolutely stupid.