Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Bharatah]

Just accept the loss, sign a deal, get whatever sanctions relief you can, and rebuild. The next 10 years, Iran is going to have to just keep its head down and focus on rebuilding its economy and military might. Not starting a war with this Zionist empire.

There is no "loss" my friend. This is just a Zionist narrative.

The entire planet is economically bankrupt, hence Trump's false promise to "make America great again", because america is not great like was before. The Americas, Europe, Africa, and Asia are all bankrupt, and people are becoming beggars, women prostitutes, etc. Iran is just one more case.

And all those who "surrendered" were destroyed: Libya, the West Bank, Syria, South Sudan, etc. The Zionist movement is like Nazism or South African apartheid: either you confront it or you will be killed for your ethnicity and culture. It's a racist movement that seeks the racial and cultural destruction of its enemy, whether they are fighting or surrendering. When they talk about "disarming," it's to facilitate their genocide. Just look at Syria, where "Israeli" attacks have increased by over 400% since Assad left.

NOTE: For the last 45 years, Iran has been attacked, resulting in military deaths and scientists being killed: Take the years 2000/2005/2010 and see how many scientists had already been assassinated (how many Hezbollah secretaries and politicians were killed in the 1990s/2000s), and yet Iran continues to evolve to confront them. Nothing that happened here is new, but now there is internet to see it live, and that is why "Israel" was seen for the first time as Nazi.

 

[Shafagh]

There is no "loss" my friend. This is just a Zionist narrative.

The entire planet is economically bankrupt, hence Trump's false promise to "make America great again", because america is not great like was before. The Americas, Europe, Africa, and Asia are all bankrupt, and people are becoming beggars, women prostitutes, etc. Iran is just one more case.

And all those who "surrendered" were destroyed: Libya, the West Bank, Syria, South Sudan, etc. The Zionist movement is like Nazism or South African apartheid: either you confront it or you will be killed for your ethnicity and culture. It's a racist movement that seeks the racial and cultural destruction of its enemy, whether they are fighting or surrendering. When they talk about "disarming," it's to facilitate their genocide. Just look at Syria, where "Israeli" attacks have increased by over 400% since Assad left.

NOTE: For the last 45 years, Iran has been attacked, resulting in military deaths and scientists being killed: Take the years 2000/2005/2010 and see how many scientists had already been assassinated (how many Hezbollah secretaries and politicians were killed in the 1990s/2000s), and yet Iran continues to evolve to confront them. Nothing that happened here is new, but now there is internet to see it live, and that is why "Israel" was seen for the first time as Nazi.

Exactly!

I am not saying the Islamic Republic of Iran is facing complete and utter defeat. It's time for a pivot, and re-alignment of strategy.

Signing a nuclear agreement would have been a way out. They should have offered some moratorium on enrichment at the start of the Trump administration.

It doesn't matter if the deal is slanted against Iran. At least get 10s of billions in sanctions relief, and some breathing room to rebuild and establish some more economic stability. They owe it to Iranians.

Every great power has periods in it's existence where they make compromises, sign deals, confront etc.

 

[ShapurII]

Just accept the loss, sign a deal, get whatever sanctions relief you can, and rebuild. The next 10 years, Iran is going to have to just keep its head down and focus on rebuilding its economy and military might. Not starting a war with this Zionist empire.

There will be no deal. There will be no sanctions relief. lmao
I cannot believe we're still discussing this sh!t.

Do you think your enemy lets you have a way out when you admit defeat? lol

 

[Shafagh]

There will be no deal. There will be no sanctions relief. lmao
I cannot believe we're still discussing this sh!t.

Do you think your enemy lets you have a way out when you admit defeat? lol

I don't know man, at this point I'm throwing my hands in the air.

If Iran can get the 8 billion in South Korea unfrozen, I'd call it a win.

There is no rhyme or reason to I.R. diplomacy. I don't know what is going on, but I am sure there are some on here that are in the know of their 4D Chess strategy.

Maybe entire IR leadership is Mossad lol.

 

[Shafagh]

There is no "loss" my friend. This is just a Zionist narrative.

The entire planet is economically bankrupt, hence Trump's false promise to "make America great again", because america is not great like was before. The Americas, Europe, Africa, and Asia are all bankrupt, and people are becoming beggars, women prostitutes, etc. Iran is just one more case.

And all those who "surrendered" were destroyed: Libya, the West Bank, Syria, South Sudan, etc. The Zionist movement is like Nazism or South African apartheid: either you confront it or you will be killed for your ethnicity and culture. It's a racist movement that seeks the racial and cultural destruction of its enemy, whether they are fighting or surrendering. When they talk about "disarming," it's to facilitate their genocide. Just look at Syria, where "Israeli" attacks have increased by over 400% since Assad left.

NOTE: For the last 45 years, Iran has been attacked, resulting in military deaths and scientists being killed: Take the years 2000/2005/2010 and see how many scientists had already been assassinated (how many Hezbollah secretaries and politicians were killed in the 1990s/2000s), and yet Iran continues to evolve to confront them. Nothing that happened here is new, but now there is internet to see it live, and that is why "Israel" was seen for the first time as Nazi.

You cannot compare Iran to Syria.

Even Iranian officials criticized Assad for cracking down too harshly at the start of the war.

When have arab dictators ever properly managed a crisis?

When you are nothing but a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

 

[FUB]

Only if IR had the backbone to reply to the rules based order in the same way. We can only wish .

“Tehran has accused the UN inspectors of essentially spying, and passing sensitive information on to the Israelis. Some Iranian state media reports have gone so far as to label Grossi an Israeli spy.”

Can you imagine , that tiny little country is about oust its most outspoken critic.

“Grossi, who is a veteran Argentine diplomat is said to be in the running to succeed António Guterres as United Nations secretary-general. Guterres term in the post will end next year.”

Satanic cabal is an empire by proxy.

UN Nuclear Chief Given 24/7 Elite Protection Over 'Specified Iranian Threat' | ZeroHedge

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[ShapurII]

I don't know man, at this point I'm throwing my hands in the air.

If Iran can get the 8 billion in South Korea unfrozen, I'd call it a win.

What are you going to do with 8 billion USD? Iran's imports is nearly 8 times that number in a year. So, you're going to surrender for 40-50 days' worth of imports? What are you going to do after that? What cards do you have to play?

There is no rhyme or reason to I.R. diplomacy. I don't know what is going on, but I am sure there are some on here that are in the know of their 4D Chess strategy.

Maybe entire IR leadership is Mossad lol.

There is no 4D chess strategy. It's quite simple:
Khamenei is a Russian asset. Whatever he does, he does to serve the interests of Russia, even if it's at the expense of Iran. In fact, specially if it's at the expense of Iran. He's a KGB-trained agent that obtained his PhD in political science at Patrice Lumumba University. His one and only love is tovarisch Putin.

The West is not going to give up now that they have defeated Iran militarily.

In the most optimistic scenario, the IR will beg the Europeans to extend the snapback mechanism for another 6 months. Their begging will only intensify as we approach the deadline. Then it will have to hand over +400 kg of HEU. We will also have to include some guarantees regarding our ballistic missiles.
Then we will have to do the same kind of begging 6 months later, effectively bringing the country's economy to a complete halt because nobody will conduct business when the fate of the country is determined every 6 months by foreign powers. Such instability will cause a complete collapse of Iran's economy.
So, even if the EU keeps extending the snapback deadline, we're finished.

People think Iran has not given concessions regarding its BM program. Then one should ask, why the f*ck we have been restricted to 2,000 km? We have had the possibility to build ICBMs for more than a decade.

The IR has to go. Without nuclear weapons, the IR is already dead and it's game over. And the way things are developing now, it seems that there will be no nuclear weapons. There is no fissile material to even begin with. The Ayatollah regime finally got what they wanted: They ruined Iran.

 

[KingQamaR]

You must have an inside to the Communications between Iran and Russia right?
How do you know that Iranwas willing to pay for the Jets? It’s obvious that the Russians are in a three year war with NATO so they can’t afford to export any high-tech equipment that’s why they’re buying from Iran. China is a different story. Maybe you should go back and look at all that propaganda and hyped up BS about mass production of. Saegheh 3,4, and 5.
China is the future. The problem with IR is they are sellouts within the government. Don’t believe all the BS about WhatsApp and Instagram. IRGC does not use WhatsApp.
I say 50/50 . Someone from within sold out the rivals .

Funny thing s that while I was researching Mohammad Sadat , I found out Rouhani did hold a senior supervisory role over Iran’s air defense . LMAO

Do you think Putin will betray his rich Jewish Oligarch for Iran? Off course he won’t .

Russia is using a fraction of their power in Ukraine and have assets that aren’t being used at all in the theatre that would be great use for Iran.

 

[KingQamaR]

I have a feeling the truth is far from black and white, likely Iran didn't have the money to fork for technology transfer, and now with Russia in a major war with a NATO armed country, it needs to focus production on maintaining it's top frontline fighter which right now IS THE SU 35.

Where did this guy get his info from anyway?

I have lost count how many times Iranian officials have made embarrassingly outlandish statements.

If Russia was truly fighting NATO the imperialist war machine then the enemy in Iran is the same! Russia needs to do more help its ally?

 

[Shafagh]

If Russia was truly fighting NATO the imperialist war machine then the enemy in Iran is the same! Russia needs to do more help its ally?

Russia should, in principle yes. Both Russia and Iran need to build trust and work closer together.

Iran doesn't trust Russia because it knows Russia has security interest in protecting it's 1 million people living in Israel. That's why we never saw a real security pact with them.

China and North Korea don't have a stake in this. It seems more reasonable that Iran can acquire some military support from Beijing, and probably more so from Pyongyang.

I wouldn't discount asking NK to build AWACs for Iran, and help resupply some of Iran's depleted ballistic missile and SAM equipment.

 

[ShapurII]

I wouldn't discount asking NK to build AWACs for Iran, and help resupply some of Iran's depleted ballistic missile and SAM equipment.

According to the Center for Strategic and International Studies, North Korea has 156 operational Pongae-5 mobile launchers.

So, if we assume that each battery has 6 launchers, North Korea has 156/6 = 26 batteries.

Even if it's 13 batteries, it's still a lot for a country the size of North Korea. Iran is 13 times larger than North Korea and we had only 4 batteries of S-300, and fewer than 10 batteries of Bavar-373.

Even North Korea with a $25B GDP is ahead of us. It's hilarious.

 

[KingQamaR]

Russia should, in principle yes. Both Russia and Iran need to build trust and work closer together.

Iran doesn't trust Russia because it knows Russia has security interest in protecting it's 1 million people living in Israel. That's why we never saw a real security pact with them.

China and North Korea don't have a stake in this. It seems more reasonable that Iran can acquire some military support from Beijing, and probably more so from Pyongyang.

I wouldn't discount asking NK to build AWACs for Iran, and help resupply some of Iran's depleted ballistic missile and SAM equipment.

Because it means that everything else is fair game. Which is kind of expected if you ally yourself with Russia - they'll only help you if it's easy and cheap. Otherwise - you are on your own. Smart N. Korea withdrew from the NPT in 2003 May. N Korea may be help Iran with Ballistic Missiles or Nuclear. We do know in the past these three countries Pakistan , North Korea and Iran had shared or exchanged information on Nuke and Ballistic missile technology with one another.


Perhaps Iran should withdraw from the NPT as well?

 

[Shafagh]

According to the Center for Strategic and International Studies, North Korea has 156 operational Pongae-5 mobile launchers.

So, if we assume that each battery has 6 launchers, North Korea has 156/6 = 26 batteries.

Even if it's 13 batteries, it's still a lot for a country the size of North Korea. Iran is 13 times larger than North Korea and we had only 4 batteries of S-300, and fewer than 10 batteries of Bavar-373.

Even North Korea with a $25B GDP is ahead of us. It's hilarious.

Yeah well their Songun military first policy has left millions poor, poor social services, and frequent food shortages. I wouldn't want to live there.

They are smart nonetheless and no western country has gotten their hands on their hardware.

Even if they supply half a dozen Pongae 5, it would help cover large swaths of air space.

 

[ShapurII]

Yeah well their Songun military first policy has left millions poor, poor social services, and frequent food shortages. I wouldn't want to live there.

They are smart nonetheless and no western country has gotten their hands on their hardware.

Even if they supply half a dozen Pongae 5, it would help cover large swaths of air space.

Their GDP is $25B and they're better armed than Iran. $25B is close to our military expenditure this year. Their entire GDP is that.

One wonders all this money in Iran go to. Probably Hezbollah, PMU, Yemen, Hamas and God knows what other militias.

 

[Immortals]

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looks like IR is about to capitulate. and all this just to DELAY E3's ability to invoke snapback. and if Iran doesn't capitulate on enrichment inside Iran with the US by the new deadline then they will invoke snapback anyway.

Again, what cards does Iran have to play? The cheerleading Iran is winning crowd has long left because their Basij like mentality was uprooted in the miserable performance of the 12 day war.

Iran simply doesn’t have any cards left to play. In the end they were the paper lion. Not Israel. Not America.

Sure Iran can fire SOME missiles at Israel, but Israel and U.S. could decimate Iranian oil fields and refineries and literally shut down the country economically.

If it's only for DELAY, it means the E3 wants to find out where the 60% is, to destroy the remaining uranium, centrifuges and to trigger the sanctions afterwards. They want transparant espionage, 0% enrichment, and escaping from their obligations (JCPOA) by deceiving, threatening, sanctioning and killing.

The US already knows where the uranium is. They had spy satellites flying 24/7 over Iran, so if Iran emptied Fordow before the strikes (like some claim), then they would have simply followed the convoy to the deposit location.

If instead, Iran left the uranium inside Fordow then the U.S. probably still has enough spies to know the state of the material at a reasonable confidence level.

Once Iran hands over the 400kg (if it has survived) then their death sentence will be handed. That’s basically the only leverage they have is some nuclear material.

According to the Center for Strategic and International Studies, North Korea has 156 operational Pongae-5 mobile launchers.

So, if we assume that each battery has 6 launchers, North Korea has 156/6 = 26 batteries.

Even if it's 13 batteries, it's still a lot for a country the size of North Korea. Iran is 13 times larger than North Korea and we had only 4 batteries of S-300, and fewer than 10 batteries of Bavar-373.

Even North Korea with a $25B GDP is ahead of us. It's hilarious.

I remember vividly many here laughing about any news of Iran trying to get S-400 or even S-500 and calling it waste when Iran “has” its own systems that are “just as good”. When you would tell these people that 4 batteries of S-300 are not enough to cover Iranian airspace especially against multiple waves of attacks they would berate you and say that Iran has plenty of air defense system. Their tiny brains couldn’t comprehend that more advanced batteries are always welcome and that Bavar is still prototype. They would laugh and call you naive!

In the end we saw that Iran’s IADS was basically 2003 Iraq “shock and awe” level incompetent. Israel’s hit everything they wanted (besides Fordow), Iran didn’t score a single fighter jet hit. It downed some drones that both HZ and Houthis also did without having any major air defense systems.

It appears the biggest mistake Bibi ever did was waiting till 2025 to do this operation! He could have done this in 2006-2010 with even greater success! Instead we got stuck with 25 years of Iran theatrics

(no nukes, no negotiation, no war)