Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Arash]

It's too late. What good would leaving the NPT do now? It will just invite more air strikes and sanctions, and the country will fester like 1990s Iraq.

Do you want to live through that?

Just accept the loss, sign a deal, get whatever sanctions relief you can, and rebuild. The next 10 years, Iran is going to have to just keep its head down and focus on rebuilding its economy and military might. Not starting a war with this Zionist empire.

It's that, or continue this charade of pointless negotiations, look weak, get embarressed, get more sanctions, and on top of it, get bombed again. Does that sound appealing to you?

No, it doesn't "invite" strikes, if they want to resume the war they won't need any political justification, they have already removed the masks and showed they don't care about diplomacy....

 

[kastor ville]

looks like IR is about to capitulate. and all this just to DELAY E3's ability to invoke snapback. and if Iran doesn't capitulate on enrichment inside Iran with the US by the new deadline then they will invoke snapback anyway.

It's not capitulation...it's playing the only card you got left. Snapback is looming....this is the only way to delay it. This is how the West has outsmarted these amateurs....bombing, assassinations, sanctions, and now snapback....what a sad joke. Absolutely no plan of action...no vision, or grand strategy. Just bluster.

 

[Bharatah]

—️// BREAKING: The E3 will initiate the process of activating the 'snapback' mechanism of the JCPOA to reimpose UN sanctions on Iran tomorrow - Reuters

And I.R. is still negotiating.

It's time for new fucking management

The E3 violated the JCPO, so (by law) they cannot activate SNAPBACK. Russia has already introduced a draft resolution to stop this.

What could happen is that the media will create a narrative of approval, without practical approval, such as that "there is no genocide in Gaza and Israel" is defending itself.

International law has rules: The attempt (at an illegal SNAPBACK) will likely result in a stalemate in the Security Council, deepening the division between the West (E3 + US) and the other signatories (Russia, China, Iran), without necessarily resulting in the effective and universal reinstatement of all UN sanctions.

NOTE: The most likely scenario is an unprecedented legal and political impasse in the UN Security Council (UNSC), quite possibly resulting in the definitive collapse of the JCPOA and a crisis of legitimacy of Resolution 2231 itself.

 

[Shafagh]

The E3 violated the JCPO, so (by law) they cannot activate SNAPBACK. Russia has already introduced a draft resolution to stop this.

What could happen is that the media will create a narrative of approval, without practical approval, such as that "there is no genocide in Gaza and Israel" is defending itself.

International law has rules: The attempt (at an illegal SNAPBACK) will likely result in a stalemate in the Security Council, deepening the division between the West (E3 + US) and the other signatories (Russia, China, Iran), without necessarily resulting in the effective and universal reinstatement of all UN sanctions.

NOTE: The most likely scenario is an unprecedented legal and political impasse in the UN Security Council (UNSC), quite possibly resulting in the definitive collapse of the JCPOA and a crisis of legitimacy of Resolution 2231 itself.

Come on man, rules went out the window the day Trump withdrew from the JCPOA and unilaterally reinstated sweeping sanctions.

 

[BigMela2onin]

 

[ShapurII]

Not just Zarif. Larijani as well.
Larijani was the Head of the Parliament that passed JCPOA in 20 minutes.

Not only he is not in prison now, but he was promoted too.

 

[Sarhang]

چرا ظریف؟ آخه ظریف چه کاره است؟‌ بسه دیگه از این نیرنگ بازی .بسه. مردمو ول کنید. مگه ظریف می‌تونه آب بخوره بدون اجازه مقام معظم رهبری؟ چرا شما می‌خواهید هنوز مردمو گول بزنید

 

[ShapurII]

چرا ظریف؟ آخه ظریف چه کاره است؟‌ بسه دیگه از این نیرنگ بازی .بسه. مردمو ول کنید. مگه ظریف می‌تونه آب بخوره بدون اجازه مقام معظم رهبری؟ چرا شما می‌خواهید هنوز مردمو گول بزنید

البته ظریف کونده پرروترین فرد این جماعت هست واقعاً
تو چشم مردم نگاه کرد می‌خندید می‌گفت اسنپ بک اصلاً وجود خارجی نداره​

 

[BigMela2onin]

چرا ظریف؟ آخه ظریف چه کاره است؟‌ بسه دیگه از این نیرنگ بازی .بسه. مردمو ول کنید. مگه ظریف می‌تونه آب بخوره بدون اجازه مقام معظم رهبری؟ چرا شما می‌خواهید هنوز مردمو گول بزنید

Zarif is one traitor in a government full of traitors, they should all hang together.

 

[Persian Gulf]

The E3 violated the JCPO, so (by law) they cannot activate SNAPBACK. Russia has already introduced a draft resolution to stop this.

you continue to insist on this nonsense theory

Russia introduced a draft resolution to DELAY snapback deadline, implicitly conceding that the Europeans CAN invoke the snapback

 

[Persian Gulf]

چرا ظریف؟ آخه ظریف چه کاره است؟‌ بسه دیگه از این نیرنگ بازی .بسه. مردمو ول کنید. مگه ظریف می‌تونه آب بخوره بدون اجازه مقام معظم رهبری؟ چرا شما می‌خواهید هنوز مردمو گول بزنید

Zarif is their perfect scapegoat

these days their scapegoat is Pezeshkian or now that Khamenei said he supports him it became Araghchi

 

[Persian Gulf]

funny although he is understating it

 

[Bharatah]

Come on man, rules went out the window the day Trump withdrew from the JCPOA and unilaterally reinstated sweeping sanctions.

My friend, you don't understand what I'm saying, but I'll try to explain : imagine a soccer game where player CRISTIANO RONALDO scores a goal with his hand (which is illegal under FIFA rules), but the referee says "The goal was actually a goal with his hands but I like Cristiano Ronaldo and I'm going to allow his goal," and confirms the goal with FIFA's support. What would happen the next day?

It would happen that in every game, teams would demand the right to score with their hands, and then there are two options:

1. Allow every goal with hands, which would nullify the sport of soccer and its rules, becoming like basketball or handball, and would be a mess.

2. Say that only Cristiano Ronaldo and some players and teams can score with their hands, which is unfair and equally unacceptable, and would be a mess.

In both cases, the result is: it would be the end of soccer as we know it because teams would be closed, players would end their careers, sponsors would leave, fans would stop supporting and it would be the end of the sport of soccer.

Above example is the same situation where the political world has rules (such as national borders, business, treaties, flags, etc). Circumventing these rules and trying to pretend this isn't happening has always had political consequences and always will have.

And these consequences have already begun to materialize: Just look at how, for the first time in millennia, the "Israeli" elite is being publicly viewed as genocidal and villainous by Western common people and academia. If you took a "time machine" and went back 10 years and told this, no one would believe it, and that's just the beginning. It's not an Iran issue; it's an issue that no one can't go around killing women and children, killing journalists, destroying international law, and thinking there will be no exchange, because there will be.

 

[Persian Gulf]

 

[Persian Gulf]

My friend, you don't understand what I'm saying, but I'll try to explain : imagine a soccer game where player CRISTIANO RONALDO scores a goal with his hand (which is illegal under FIFA rules), but the referee says "The goal was actually a goal with his hands but I like Cristiano Ronaldo and I'm going to allow his goal," and confirms the goal with FIFA's support. What would happen the next day?

you might have a point if the JCPOA says that the Europeans cannot trigger snapback if they are themselves in significant non compliance with their obligations. but it does not say that. so you do not have a point.