Afghan Refugees op/ed by Ambassador Tariq Osman Hyder

[Rational Philosopher]

Similarly only way for Afghanis to get Pakistani ID is by bribing Nadra officials but they are easily caught once their family tree is verified.

A cruel position to be in. The weaponisation of a corrupt system as a weapon of legal warfare and infiltration from within.

Suspend all visas granted post-Zia era, create a national deportation force and round them up to save yourself from being the victim of the next Zionist plan.

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

The current law is how everyone got citizenship. You are also wrong on Bengalis children in Pakistan, read this article

ESSAY: THE BUREAUCRACY OF BELONGING

Her father spent a lifetime trying to prove he belonged to Pakistan. Even after his death, the state refuses to acknowledge

www.dawn.com

The bengalis try to get around that by saying that they were living in Pakistan before 1971. But not all were living before 1971 so those who cannot prove it their children don't get nationality.

 

[Rational Philosopher]

An ethno nat is an ethnonat. Just because he is born here doesn't mean he hates Pakistanis any less.

Also, the host country regime is more concerned with bribes. If we stupidly enough grant birth right citizenship, everyone and their mother in Afghanistan can claim to be born here in Pakistan. There is no way to distinguish them from those actually born here. And with a bribe to Nadra, everyone of will get citizenship in matter of a decade like half of barmal district of Afghanistan https://tolonews.com/afghanistan/half-barmal-district-residents-‘hold-pakistani-id-cards’

I rather we not start another fiasco like we did in 80s when we refused to limit these people to enclosed concentration camps.

With all due respect, @krash is projecting his Canadian liberal bias on a fundamentally different society and fundamentally different set of immigrants all the way onto a Pakistan that is structurally and socio-economically worlds apart.

He has consistently made objectively false statements based purely on arrogant assumptions typically associated with Western leftists.

The idea that being born on a land instantly makes you detached from your original country, culture or loyalty to place of origin has been proven false on an industrial scale — globally. And for Pakistan suffering from constrained resources and overpopulation, as well as a direct national security threat from a hostile Afghanistan that explicitly uses demographic warfare as a weapon — what he advocates for is national suicide.

I know for sure that my area of Pakistan would never accept it. If this is done, JKLF would get a MAJOR boost. Separatism would rise. And I believe the same sentiment exists in Sindh and Punjab, as well as amongst Balochs. I can't speak for Pashtuns, perhaps it's split between urban vs rural.

 

[Watandar]

With all due respect, @krash is projecting his Canadian liberal bias on a fundamentally different society and fundamentally different set of immigrants all the way onto a Pakistan that is structurally and socio-economically worlds apart.

He has consistently made objectively false statements based purely on arrogant assumptions typically associated with Western leftists.

The idea that being born on a land instantly makes you detached from your original country, culture or loyalty to place of origin has been proven false on an industrial scale — globally. And for Pakistan suffering from constrained resources and overpopulation, as well as a direct national security threat from a hostile Afghanistan that explicitly uses demographic warfare as a weapon — what he advocates for is national suicide.

I know for sure that my area of Pakistan would never accept it. If this is done, JKLF would get a MAJOR boost. Separatism would rise. And I believe the same sentiment exists in Sindh and Punjab, as well as amongst Balochs. I can't speak for Pashtuns, perhaps it's split between urban vs rural.

these are the exact same arguments white supremacists use in the West against immigrants and from granting them citizenship. And yet Pakistanis are dying to immigrate to same West.

 

[Watandar]

The bengalis try to get around that by saying that they were living in Pakistan before 1971. But not all were living before 1971 so those who cannot prove it their children don't get nationality.

if you read the article, their children do get nationality as Pakistani law is birthright citizenship. If you dont like this then change the laws.

 

[Rational Philosopher]

these are the exact same arguments white supremacists use in the West against immigrants and from granting them citizenship. And yet Pakistanis are dying to immigrate to same West.

Everyone has the legal right to oppose immigration. If the majority of their society agrees, it is inherently their right. Only an entitled leech would get mad about that.

I don't hold this victim leech mentality that open borders are a must globally. Every nation must enforce their borders.

Deport the illegals. In Pakistan, and in the west. #NoImmigrants

 

[Watandar]

Everyone has the legal right to oppose immigration. If the majority of their society agrees, it is inherently their right. Only an entitled leech would get mad about that.

I don't hold this victim leech mentality that open borders are a must globally. Every nation must enforce their borders.

Deport the illegals. In Pakistan, and in the west. #NoImmigrants

Lol yeah right. Country that lives off remittances and aid is going to demand that immigration be cutoff. Pakistani edgelords.

 

[Asfandyar Bhittani]

these are the exact same arguments white supremacists use in the West against immigrants and from granting them citizenship. And yet Pakistanis are dying to immigrate to same West.

Just because they are white supremacists doesn't make them wrong on the issue. Also, negligible Pakistanis abroad are illegal just like negligible afghans in Pakistan are legal. Apples and oranges.

If the west wants to import or deport Pakistani illegals, have you ever seen pakistanis through a tantrum? When they greatly reduce the acceptance rate of visas from Pakistan, does Pakistan protest as if visa is it's human right? No.

Also, we are not going to let zionist afghans to push us in Pakistan simply because Pakistanis who abandoned their country for a salary abroad get spit on by their overlords in the west. They should not be the primary concern of Pakistani policymakers. The 250 million inside Pakistan should be.

 

[Rational Philosopher]

Lol yeah right. Country that lives off remittances and aid is going to demand that immigration be cutoff. Pakistani edgelords.

The Pakistanis which work for remittances in the Gulf don't have citizenship, they have work visas and agreements with employers. The entire political structure there is difference, no democracies etc.

And the ones in the west, both India and Pakistan would love them deported, that's millions of high quality human capital as well as fiscal capital.

Pakistan is a country that doesn't whine about the decisions of other societies, it just adapts.

 

[Watandar]

Also, we are not going to let zionist afghans to push us in Pakistan simply because Pakistanis who abandoned their country for a salary abroad get spit on by their overlords in the west.

Ah since you directed that at me.
, I will inform your that no overlord has ever spit on me in the West, but plenty of overlords in Pakistan treat their workers like absolute dogshit.

They should not be the primary concern of Pakistani policymakers. The 250 million inside Pakistan should be.

Nice rhetoric but fact is that the Pakistani public has been irrelevant to policymakers for 78 years.

 

[Asfandyar Bhittani]

If you dont like this then change the laws.

NA Committee passes bill to restrict citizenship for children of foreigners - Pakistan Today

Pakistan Today is an English-language daily newspaper published from Lahore, Islamabad and Karachi.

www.pakistantoday.com.pk

 

[Watandar]

The Pakistanis which work for remittances in the Gulf don't have citizenship, they have work visas and agreements with employers. The entire political structure there is difference, nk democracies etc.

Pakistan is a country that doesn't whine about the decisions of other societies, it just adapts.

Pakistanis have been moaning about West and India their entire lives, what are you talking about ?

Regarding Gulf workers, they would happily stay in Gulf and gain citizenship if possible but the Gulfies are small in population and insecure, so they just use and dispose of foreign workers. The smart ones in the Gulf use it as a stepping stone to.......the West.

 

[Asfandyar Bhittani]

Ah since you directed that at me.
, I will inform your that no overlord has ever spit on me in the West, but plenty of overlords in Pakistan treat their workers like absolute dogshit.

Then why the whining about white supremacists? They are of no concern here.

Nice rhetoric but fact is that the Pakistani public has been irrelevant to policymakers for 78 years.

True, but letting the enemy, irredentist state get millions of it's illegal loyal citizens become part of our society will be continuation of that neglect and mass, unrelenting, unforgiving, deportation will be a small reversal of that policy.

 

[Watandar]

NA Committee passes bill to restrict citizenship for children of foreigners - Pakistan Today

Pakistan Today is an English-language daily newspaper published from Lahore, Islamabad and Karachi.

www.pakistantoday.com.pk

Never became law and that's even before a court challenge.

 

[Rational Philosopher]

I by no means encourage attacking any Pakistani community but @Asfandyar Bhittani did raise a valid point there.

Why should the liberal (guilt) complex of overseas Pakistanis override the safety and interests of the actually 200 million+ Pakistani citizens actually inside Pakistan? Their feelings shouldn't hold Pakistani policy making as hostage. Especially if they are totally oblivious to actual local dynamics.