Pakistan Navy Gun Boats - News / Discussion

[Toxic]

no this is fine, but what im saying is the reality is we cannot afford it.

The loadout of 16 just about does the job, even the 12 cell setup is FAR more survivable than a Tughril so theres that. Im sure as part of an MLU when a better setup is available PN will swap them for an 8 cell and then perhaps quadpack camm-er IF it can be certified and carried in whatever solution is picked- BIG IF

I think one aspect that isn't being considered is the logistical side of it, those 16 missiles are going to be used up pretty quickly in a conflict and when that happens ships would need to return to port and rearm where they would be the most vulnerable and we lack any safe port, gwadar doesn't have that capability (yet)

 

[Ak01]

hey! I have heard that PN has obtained land based variant of CAMM-ER for protection of Karachi port? is that true?

yes

 

[Toxic]

yes

Really? Any details like the number of batteries?

 

[Ak01]

so you are saying that CAMM-ER is more potent then HHQ-16A on Tughril? only because it is semi-active and CAMM-ER is fully active radar guided..

HQ-16 has a guidance limitation, its to do with the illuminators.
The same limitation applies to shitl etc.

With the 054A later batches, the Chinese replaced the illuminators.

The current ones can only guide 2 missiles per channel. There are 4 channels, each only covering a set 90 degree arc or whatever, so effectively, a 054a can only guide 8 missiles in one go, now, the catch here is, they can only be 4 per side because each illuminator can only guide 2 missiles.

Now, IN has ships equipped with 8 brahmos, in a swarm attach, a tughril is DEAD. Full stop- this also applies to their ships, but usually you're launching 2 missiles per target, you're out of missiles before the IN is out of missiles. You also cannot fully defend all sectors either, effectively these ships are of a bygone era and should have been left there, they're not suited to modern high intensity conflicts

 

[Ak01]

Really? Any details like the number of batteries?

negative, but ive seen the paperwork, its 100% true

 

[Ak01]

I think one aspect that isn't being considered is the logistical side of it, those 16 missiles are going to be used up pretty quickly in a conflict and when that happens ships would need to return to port and rearm where they would be the most vulnerable and we lack any safe port, gwadar doesn't have that capability (yet)

the reality is though this will always be a limiting factor, unless we endd up woth HUGE magazine depths

 

[Ak01]

im guessing SR2410C is mentioned as the illuminator here?

nope, https://www.radartutorial.eu/19.kartei/11.ancient4/karte022.en.html

 

[RajaBaja]

ok retard, i guess CNS, Myself and literally every other analyst know nothing, but raja saab has added another 'area of expertise' to his CV. Its pretty impressive how well you talk out your arse.

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Who made people like you a "think tank". Because you fail to show maturity and knowledge on any topic. This is the second time I've engaged with you on a topic and you did exactly what you did in the first one. To compensate for your lack of knowledge and incompetence on issues you talk about, you start to bring in low education stuff and insults.

 

[RajaBaja]

HQ-16 has a guidance limitation, its to do with the illuminators.
The same limitation applies to shitl etc.

With the 054A later batches, the Chinese replaced the illuminators.

The current ones can only guide 2 missiles per channel. There are 4 channels, each only covering a set 90 degree arc or whatever, so effectively, a 054a can only guide 8 missiles in one go, now, the catch here is, they can only be 4 per side because each illuminator can only guide 2 missiles.

Now, IN has ships equipped with 8 brahmos, in a swarm attach, a tughril is DEAD. Full stop- this also applies to their ships, but usually you're launching 2 missiles per target, you're out of missiles before the IN is out of missiles. You also cannot fully defend all sectors either, effectively these ships are of a bygone era and should have been left there, they're not suited to modern high intensity conflicts

The post in bold says "The current one's can guide only 2 missiles per channel. They make an arc of 90 degrees or whatever".

You read this crap and you cringe, who made these people "think tanks" who can't use technical terms and precise technical details to explain beyond some names and fancy terms from Wikipedia!!!

"They make an arc or whatever"

 

[Ak01]

Here we go! More bullsh*t being fed to readers. This is "Tanked Thinking". not "think tank" stuff. The post in bold says
"The current one's can guide only 2 missiles per channel. They make an arc of 90 degrees or whatever".

You read this crap and you cringe, who made these people "think tanks" who can't use technical terms and precise technical details to explain beyond some names and fancy terms from Wikipedia!!!

"They make an arc or whatever"

Literally just an autistic Mastan khan, bless us with your stupidity further Saar. Let’s hear your analysis on that ai global photo again

Ps, I don’t need to rely on pinpoint details to act like a pseudo intellectual lol. 90 degree arc or whatever because it’s not exactly 90° phuddu

 

[Ak01]

You must have had a lower class educational background. Can never have an educated discussion. Continue to fool others on here.

Who made people like you a "think tank". Because you fail to show maturity and knowledge on any topic. This is the second time I've engaged with you on a topic and you did exactly what you did in the first one. To compensate for your lack of knowledge and incompetence on issues you talk about, you start to bring in low education stuff and insults.

intellectual:

 

[RajaBaja]

Can you list them?like don't include old ships like PNS shamsheer and not replenishment ships like PNS nasr and PNS moawin

I think you want to know what ships we will buy? I can't predict what the exact king or future names. But let's try. A little background on what we need to protect and our enemy first:

We have a near 1100 km long shore line to protect, that's 400 KM deep making our EEZ and currently has two ports, Karachi and Gawader. These two ports will become regional trade hubs in the next few years under CPEC and maritime security has been brought out by the Chinese many times.

Indian navy by 2035 will have around 200 combat ships with 4 aircraft carriers, and that's what we have to fight.

For this, the Pakistan navy's strategy is around 50 combat ships. The idea is to create task forces that can independently fight battles and be spread across the 400 KM EEZ so that they aren't clustered near shores of Karachi to Gawader. The father they are, the harder it will be for IN to gain dominance. Our EEZ is 400 KM and that's a lot of depth.

These task forces will be lead by a guided missile destroyer like 055-P. Each task force will have 5-7 ships. After a lead guided missile destroyer, you will have missile frigates and may be a couple of missile corvettes also. This is the model we are going with. Under this plan, Pakistan will buy some advance missile frigates and build them locally with TOT also, same with missile corvettes we've already been working on. Guided missile destroyers will be purchased. May eventually be built locally but not under this strategy until 2035. Remember: 50 combat ships to face a 200+ ship navy and 4 aircraft carriers is still a small force. But the idea is that it will have enough strength to hold the enemy off and deny it supremacy especially when supported by a naval air fleet of about 2-3 dedicated squadrons.

Last issue: Funds! Currently, the government has said it will provide funds for naval transformation. Secondly, budget increases. By 2028, when the GDP gets rebalanced, the defense budget will increase too. If the Navy can start to get $ 3-5 billion for a few years, in increments, it can adapt this strategy and hit it's target number. We have NO way out of it or "other options". The 50 combat ships are needed.

 

[RajaBaja]

Literally just an autistic Mastan khan, bless us with your stupidity further Saar. Let’s hear your analysis on that ai global photo again

Ps, I don’t need to rely on pinpoint details to act like a pseudo intellectual lol. 90 degree arc or whatever because it’s not exactly 90° phuddu

@Waz @Fatman17 @Deino How do you make these people a "think tank" who lack basic sense in communicating with others? And don't have much knowledge. This person does this on every topic. I told him 3 messages ago that I respect his opinion so let's disengage. But he writes these low educated personal insults thinking he looks "cool".

This site should have some rules to create talented think tanks who are productive and respectful in communication. It's your brand that looks bad. Regards.

 

[Pak-Warrior]

Thanks for the clarification.

Is this the first of the 20 on order?

yes PNS Sahiwal is the first one that's launched. Yep initially 20 were planned by PN. Let's see if the number stays same or not. If we really are going to the plan then we should see batch / parallel production for next few ships. Otherwise, just one ship after every 3-4 years will take eternity to fullfill that requirement. There were significant delays already in the first ship, its behind schedule atleast by 1.5 years.

 

[Ak01]

@Waz @Fatman17 @Deino How do you make these people a "think tank" who lack basic sense in communicating with others? And don't have much knowledge. This person does this on every topic. I told him 3 messages ago that I respect his opinion so let's disengage. But he writes these low educated personal insults thinking he looks "cool".

This site should have some rules to create talented think tanks who are productive and respectful in communication. It's your brand that looks bad. Regards.

Cry about it lol