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[Hack-Hook]

You're going to build a literal cruiser (10kt) that will launch 64 subsonic Paveh/Noor cruise missiles?

First supersonic and hypersonic CMs, then ships to carry them, it's the logic path for posing a real threat to US warships

let they build it , the launcher can be modified for supersonic cruise missile when it become ready

 

[Tehrani021]

Only if Russia also refused the Aircraft.
our army and IRGC are lazy and have no patience, if they can get something from foreign source , its sure they go after it instead of investing in producing it in country. if foreigner don't sell it , we see we have something equal or even better made by ourselves

On one hand you insult the army and irgc calling them lazy for not investing in foreign weapons, which doesn't make sense by the way. Because getting someone else to make it for you is what lazy people do. Then you say we make things better or equal to the foreign equivalent, which is literally the opposite of laziness, rather it is industrious and taking the initiative. This is double speak, or should I say you're speaking from both sides of your mouth, and I don't know if you realise...

 

[tsunset]

let they build it , the launcher can be modified for supersonic cruise missile when it become ready

Building a 10kt cruiser in 2024 is worth it according to you? How much of them Iran could produced per year?

 

[Hack-Hook]

Building a 10kt cruiser in 2024 is worth it according to you? How much of them Iran could produced per year?

how much money they gonna inject into project ?
we can produce two aluminum hulled shahid soleimani per year , and believe me attaching those aluminum plate to each other is a lot harder than attaching two steel plate

 

[jauk]

Only if Russia also refused the Aircraft.
our army and IRGC are lazy and have no patience, if they can get something from foreign source , its sure they go after it instead of investing in producing it in country. if foreigner don't sell it , we see we have something equal or even better made by ourselves

Yeah, i don't understand why high ranking officials keep yakking about 'they didn't sell it to us so we built it ourselves'. Nothing to be proud of.

 

[Hack-Hook]

On one hand you insult the army and irgc calling them lazy for not invensting, which doesn't make sense by the way. Because getting someone else to make it for you is what lazy people do. Then you say we make things better or equal to the foreign equivalent, which is literally the opposite of laziness, rather it is industrious and taking the initiative. This is double speak, or should I say you're speaking from both sides of your mouth, and I don't know if you realise...

they are , they can build bavar but they must go for s-300 first, they can build shahis soleymani ships but they first mus be refused by foreigner , they could built simorgh ,but first they get refused by others . they could built slv but first our sattellite must be stolen by westerners and refused to be launched by eastern block.
they also can build aircraft if they invest into it , but no let go buy Russian air craft with an Flir that is inferior to the sensor we put inside our missiles

 

[Hack-Hook]

Yeah, i don't understand why high ranking officials keep yakking about 'they didn't sell it to us so we built it ourselves'. Nothing to be proud of.

they just want to talk , they always say we wanted to buy from x country they didn't gave it to us so we went and built it . if you can build it its shame full to go to foreigners who previously time and time refuse to provide you with what you need . just build the damn thing

 

[tsunset]

how much money they gonna inject into project ?
we can produce two aluminum hulled shahid soleimani per year , and believe me attaching those aluminum plate to each other is a lot harder than attaching two steel plate

You will have to invest billions for constructing such ships, Iran isn't China where they commission Type-055 every year, so imagine with Iran far lesser manpower

 

[Flotilla]

my bet on China, Russia don't have anything like Sulleymani or Al-Muhandis class ships , but china......

My bet on China too.
Anyway it is too soon to talk about a 10K warship. First only IRIN can operate a heavy warship like this (IRIN has officials, crew, and doctrine to operate in blue waters such ship), but judging the issues just for building a Moudge class warship (4 years for building Shiraz/Talaiyeh!!!!) it is not realistic.

There should be build some more Moudge with standard equipment like Deylaman. They must fit light VLS and after gaining some experience in four fix phased array systems antennas, then just jump to something bigger. But really, IRIN doesn´t need something of 10K. Type 054AP sized ship it is enough, four or five of them will give real oceanic capability for deployments around the world. If IRIN build something of 10.000 should be an LHD or LPD, not warships. The limited budget recommend not putting all the eggs in one basket, and make some more frigates about 3.500 or 4.000 tons.

 

[tsunset]

Iran Partakes in Naval Drill in India​

Iran Partakes in Naval Drill in India - Politics news - Tasnim News Agency

TEHRAN (Tasnim) – The Iranian Navy has deployed its Dena destroyer to India for a large-scale multilateral exercise.

www.tasnimnews.com

 

[Tehrani021]

they are , they can build bavar but they must go for s-300 first, they can build shahis soleymani ships but they first mus be refused by foreigner , they could built simorgh ,but first they get refused by others . they could built slv but first our sattellite must be stolen by westerners and refused to be launched by eastern block.
they also can build aircraft if they invest into it , but no let go buy Russian air craft with an Flir that is inferior to the sensor we put inside our missiles

Thats not laziness, that's just common sense. There are better foreign producers of most of these things so for the sake of national security and having a stop gap Iran correctly tries to get advanced weapons from abroad. At the same time, Iran has always had internal R+D and homegrown equivalents which, let's face it, Iran is far behind especially in terms of its airforce and navy. Nothing here is lazy except for your analysis and blame game.

 

[Tehrani021]

Yeah, i don't understand why high ranking officials keep yakking about 'they didn't sell it to us so we built it ourselves'. Nothing to be proud of.

Nothing to be proud in making comparable versions of leading foreign equivalents? Lots to be proud of. Would you rather they said, "they didn't sell to us, so we did nothing?". Or did you except Iran to do something most first world nations couldnt do by never buying foreign goods and only producing in-house? Manage your expectations.

 

[Hack-Hook]

Thats not laziness, that's just common sense. There are better foreign producers of most of these things so for the sake of national security and having a stop gap Iran correctly tries to get advanced weapons from abroad. At the same time, Iran has always had internal R+D and homegrown equivalents which, let's face it, Iran is far behind especially in terms of its airforce and navy. Nothing here is lazy except for your analysis and blame game.

what better , s300 we receive is inferior or at best equal to our 3rd of khordad, Shahid suleymani is better than the one china did not sold us.
and Iran will remain far behind if we don't invest in it and buy foreign ones


that's not common sense it's short slightness that you go directly to foreigner before give local companies any chance and do that while they time and time refused to help you

 

[Tehrani021]

what better , s300 we receive is inferior or at best equal to our 3rd of khordad, Shahid suleymani is better than the one china did not sold us.
and Iran will remain far behind if we don't invest in it and buy foreign ones


that's not common sense it's short slightness that you go directly to foreigner before give local companies any chance and do that while they time and time refused to help you

But that's not the case, Iran always was developing internally but was far behind, hence why it had to have a stop gap of foreign weapons to cater to the more pressing needs of national security. It would be foolish to say that a nation is lazy because they buy weapons externally, literally every nation bar a handful, buy weapons externally and don't even bother producing internally. Only Iran is lazy, but not the rest of the world? come on!

 

[jauk]

Nothing to be proud in making comparable versions of leading foreign equivalents? Lots to be proud of. Would you rather they said, "they didn't sell to us, so we did nothing?". Or did you except Iran to do something most first world nations couldnt do by never buying foreign goods and only producing in-house? Manage your expectations.

So many scattered things here not sure where to start. Some feedback:
- Yep, nothing to be proud of. Nope, would not rather say the other thing either. A critical brain knows what should have been said instead--hmmmm...
- Don't use the term 'first world' That's a term invented in the 'west' to diminutize YOU. Let's start with some self-reflection before throwing stones.