Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

Shafagh said:
Yep.



U.S. could have nuked Iran, or devastated it in 1980s if it wanted to.

Give America 15-20 years. The next generation of American leaders will hate Israel more than they hate Iran.

It is a fallacy to think you can win, playing this crusade against ZOG empire while under severe sanctions and arms embargo. China didn't do it, nobody did it.

It's not like Iran gained nothing from the U.S. during Shah era. Alot of Iran's technological foundation comes from what he imported in the 60s and 70s.

I just don't want to see a Pro Israel government, and soon you won't have to be in order to befriend Americans.
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Had not Shahi Iran allied itself with US post WWII, USSR would have taken chunks out of entire NW Iran and created atleast 4 x Soviet republics out of Iranian territory. US pushed Stalin out of Iran. People forget this history. They armed Shahi Iran to the extent that in case of US vs USSR showdown, Shahi Iran with its mighty military and economic power would have created a new highly problematic front for USSR in south, more devastating that what entire EU could offer at that time. Later the same US supplied weaponry saved Iran from being invaded by Arab League + USSR powered Baathist war machine. Even during that war US supplied IRI with Fighter jet spares, A2A missiles, I-Hawks, TOW ATGMs etc. Mullahs try to hide this history because it exposes them as hypocrites. Forget US Israel supplied F-4E/D parts to Iran. IRIAF and IAF jointly attacked Osirak Nuclear plant. Trita Parsi wrote an entire book on this called "Treacherous Alliances" secret dealings of US, IRI, Israel.
 
Good history lessons from all of you.....however, none of it matters at this point. The paths in the road are clear, the needed change in Iran's policy and governance is also clear. We cannot continue under the leadership of a senile old man, with zero governance and leadership ability.....sure, if you want to run a Friday prayer, then you got the right guy, but if you want to run a country of 80 mill with a damaged economy, and a leadership vacuum then you better be looking elsewhere. We need smart, educated, western savvy people at the helm.....the same kind of people they've been running out of the country for the past 4 decades, those guys are all here, running silicon valley companies, or working in corporate America, making this country great......no they're not traitors, they're smart, they want to live good, not in poverty or get killed due to the sheer ignorance or malice of our leadership.
Shapuril pointed it out.......either make the bomb and give up and play nice. It's simple as that. The look to the East bullshit, didn't work, we have no allies......I'll repeat we have no allies. Because we have no policy for that...we have resistance, it's child's policy. Who are you resisting? Oh, yeah, the entire Western world and most of our neighbors! Where are the allies?
Where do we go from here? Again, make the fking bomb, or sit down and shut up.....period, there is no choice "C", choice is C is a failed economic state that will eventually disintegrate on its own, and chaos will ensue, because that's the enemy's ultimate plan......the atomization of our land, just like Syria and Iraq.
If these people were true patriots....they would see where this is all going, and step down, change policies and protect our land and people from what's to come.
 
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kastor ville said:
Good history lessons from all of you.....however, none of it matters at this point. The paths in the road are clear, the needed change in Iran's policy and governance is also clear. We cannot continue under the leadership of a senile old man, with zero governance and leadership ability.....sure, if you want to run a Friday prayer, then you got the right guy, but if you want to run a country of 80 mill with a damaged economy, and a leadership vacuum then you better be looking elsewhere. We need smart, educated, western savvy people at the helm.....the same kind of people they've been running out of the country for the past 4 decades, those guys are all here, running silicon valley companies, or working in corporate America, making this country great......no they're not traitors, they're smart, they want to live good, not in poverty or get killed due to the sheer ignorance or malice of our leadership.
Shapuril pointed it out.......either make the bomb and give up and play nice. It's simple as that. The look to the East bullshit, didn't work, we have no allies......I'll repeat we have no allies. Because we have no policy for that...we have resistance, it's child's policy. Who are you resisting? Oh, yeah, the entire Western world and most of our neighbors! Where are the allies?
Where do we go from here? Again, make the fking bomb, or sit down and shut up.....period, there is no choice "C", choice is C is a failed economic state that will eventually disintegrate on its own, and chaos will ensue, because that's the enemy's ultimate plan......the atomization of our land, just like Syria and Iraq.
If these people were true patriots....they would see where this is all going, and step down, change policies and protect our land and people from what's to come.
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How about someone like Zelensky? USA chose Zelensky for Ukraine. He is also smart. What say you?
 
Dariush-e Bozorg said:
And yet even now if IR was genuine the US would still extend their hand. Thats the reality.
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advocating war with Iran is good business in the US. the politicians really hate Iran now. won't be possible to undo that easily unless Iran bends the knee and kisses the Jewish wall and the US politicians get approval to go easy on Iran from their Jewish funders
 
Israel wanted regime change in Iran. Zionists failed militarily.

Now their western stooges are trying to convince us about the fact that we need a new system.

As it seems, something like this phrase. I failed to achieve it on the ground, please do it in online platforms.

Many western users appeared in this forum all of a sudden simultaneously to Israeli and US led attack on Iran. And coincidentally they all want regime change. But not through war, since its impossible. Its better to prepare minds of Iranians by disappointing them, by instilling failure into their thoughts.

Gentlemen and ladies, the ones reading this thread, its called 'war of narratives', actually a part of enemy's hybrid warfare.
 
At this point, it seems more worthwhile to just give up nuclear ambitions. Yes, it is a bitter pill to swallow, but America is not to blame. This is Iranian leadership's fault.

I have said this before and I will say it again, Islamic Republic of Iran is not an institution that is ruled by one central power. A regime change in Iran will not look like what we saw in Libya, Syria, Iraq. Iran can handle threats. Even those closest to Trump will not advocate for John Bolton's dumbass support for multi-ethnic revolts across the country.

If anything, Iran can retain Bushehr plant, get guarantees of fuel for civilian power plants, build another civilian plant under international inspection, sell more electricity to Iraq and neighboring countries, retain a modern and reliable source of energy for years to come.

Did you guys think Iran would actually get away with using a nuclear weapon anyway? Just having them won't protect Iranians. There will always be terrorism and sabotage on nuclear sites and personnel. That won't change. Not to mention, the billions Iran would have invested in nuclear development, can now be diverted to other projects; i.e laser technology, aerospace.

Take the money and use the knowledge gained from Kowsar program, to lay the groundwork for a future 5.5 gen light stealth fighter with AI integrated systems. At the very least, Iranian engineers can design a semi stealth light attack fighter that can integrated drones and provide some sort of air defence, keep pilots trained and up to par.

You can deal with Trump. He is too dumb to be shaping some nefarious grand scheme for regime change and post-regime puppet state. MAGA is rapidly turning against Israel. Pretty soon he will realize the Israelis are more trouble than they are worth, he'll be in need of a quick victory to give to his voters, and will strike a deal with Iran, and throw Netanyahu under the bus.

Just do something. At least stop dragging out this partial cooperation, partial non cooperation, partial negotiation; stringing things along so that Iran becomes like a cancer patient; slowly dying while getting poked and beaten on the head by Israel and U.S. again and again.

I remain optimistic. There is a chance to end all of this with Iran standing strong. If Iran can normalize relations with the U.S. and get sanctions lifted, even partially lifted, then Iran can emerge from this intact, and the only country to have smacked around Israel and survived. It will get out of this relatively stable and secure.
 
Shafagh said:
Come on man, Zelensky is much smarter than this donkey.

This guy just wants to be a figurehead and sit around in a palace doing nothing, playing dress up with fancy royalty outfits.
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I don't even want to answer him, because he's one of the people who helped get us here.....they're obedient, and never question authority.
 
So much for having total control of the skies, they are firing during the day. Trump let the cat out of the bag. " We have complete and total control"
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kastor ville said:
I don't even want to answer him, because he's one of the people who helped get us here.....they're obedient, and never question authority.
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We are loyal to our country. And people's vote. Not even people of UK can choose their PM directly with nation wide vote but Iranians proudly say we choose not only MPs, not only president, not only members of assembly of experts that supervise the leader, but also we indirectly choose our leader.

'I don't want to answer' oh my God, what a disaster for Iranians, please answer. 'get us here' LMAO. Iran is the only country to successfully repel American/Israeli attack and a nobody says we have failed.

From my understanding of your rants, You are part of western media propaganda. Go on please, we may give a shit about what you have to say and choose Iranian Zelensky to lead us to middle of nowhere.
 
Shafagh said:
Come on man, Zelensky is much smarter than this donkey.

This guy just wants to be a figurehead and sit around in a palace doing nothing, playing dress up with fancy royalty outfits.
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He is saying that we have to choose someone confirmed, allowed and checked by west. It means we have to turn into a western vassal. USA won't be satisfied with just an stooge, on the contrary, they will first take a revenge on Iranians for undermining US' global dominance for decades, for kidnapping their spies in their so called embassy and so on.

What he wants is exactly what west and Israel wants. He tells you i don't want to answer but the truth is, he has nothing to say except act like an slippery snake.
 
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