India Lucky Not To Lose More Than Four Rafales

[Olympus81]

@Pakistan Space Agency

PSA sb,

End of the day, Pakistan hit 34 targets on 10 May.

And even your tallel than mountain fliend couldnt provide satellite images to verify the damages.

Regards

Why is it that a satellite image is necessary. Your own spokesperson said there were X locations inside India that were hit by Pakistan.

Heck even 4 IAF jets downed with videos are being negated by the Indian security establishment. What good will a satellite image do.

 

[Olympus81]

So, after India used Brahmos, Pakistan started preparing to use everything in its arsenal it saw fit (this would've included Babur and Ra'ad). This is what the US intelligence also picked up and told India that Pakistan is about to go nuclear. That's when India asked for ceasefire. Rest is history

I very much doubt so we were going nuclear.

The Indians went from Rafales downed to launching nuclear capable Brahmos missiles into Pakistan. Quite a jump in terms of a escalation ladder.

Pakistan had good reasons for fielding Ra’ads and Baburs, but with conventional warheads. That probably rang alarm bells and for the Americans to intervene.

The Indians in some ways may have plugged holes in the Pakistani nuclear doctrine by allowing for a conventional war. But a rocket force in Pakistan probably means free use of Fatahs, Babars, Ra’ads in the next round will lit Indian skies if India lobs Brahmos again.

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@Olympus81 sb

there were X locations inside India that were hit by Pakistan.

Of course, you can hit 100 locations in IND- the question is are they of any strategic importance? Let's say is hitting a hangar with an AWACS inside the same as hitting a paanwallah's shop a mile outside an air base?

Regards

 

[Taimoor]

again, i think you miss the point! this is not a political forum nor the thread, so if you have grievances, you should discuss in relevant thread.

I will not discuss politically motivated discussion in a military thread.

People are discussing why Army response was found out. And reasons for it are political/personal interests in nature. You want to avoid that rather uncomfortable truth, it wont go away.

 

[side-winder]

@Olympus81 sb

there were X locations inside India that were hit by Pakistan.

Of course, you can hit 100 locations in IND- the question is are they of any strategic importance? Let's say is hitting a hangar with an AWACS inside the same as hitting a paanwallah's shop a mile outside an air base?

Regards

Nah - however, it might be same as hitting a cheeseboard radar. Remember the story? Launchers on fire in the middle of Pakistani Strikes

 

[Taimoor]

India, after the conflict said their Brahmos are conventional weapons and not part of their nuclear arsenal.

So in your own words, "AFTER" the conflict Brahmos was declared as conventional weapon, NOT "during" the conflict. so how the hell the GHQ lot knew the incoming missiles are not mated with nukes? Basically you are defeating your own logic. As soon as Brahmos was detected, we should have lunched our Baburs.

Babur can be used both as conventional and nuclear role. but it will be safe to assume that relying on a sub sonic missile for nuclear delivery when there are already 18+ mach BMs in the inventory for the purpose, is rather useless. Baburs are not strategic weapons, yet they can mated with tactical warheads, so does the Brahmos if India has achieved such miniaturization. We are not going to be sitting on our arse watching Brahmos lunch assuming that Indians are only using them conventionally. At bear minimum, we should have hit them with our Baburs , which didnt happen.

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

So in your own words, "AFTER" the conflict Brahmos was declared as conventional weapon, NOT "during" the conflict. so how the hell the GHQ lot knew the incoming missiles are not mated with nukes? Basically you are defeating your own logic. As soon as Brahmos was detected, we should have lunched our Baburs. ...

India launched Brahmos on 10 May and Pakistan was preparing to respond but the response was going to be much larger. American intelligence picked up Pakistani preparations, panicked, told India which also panicked and asked for ceasefire.

The US relayed Indian message for ceasefire, Pakistan agreed but still hit 34 Indian targets with guided Fatah rockets, artillery and drones throughout the day until 5 pm.

What you're suggesting is, as soon as Brahmos flew, Babur's should've also flown automatically in response. Why? After all, it is only Brahmos and not Agni or Prithvi.

But my main question again is, what's wrong with Pakistan hitting 34 targets in India and using guided Fatah rockets? What are Fatah series of guided rockets for? Are they not somehow good enough as Babur or Ra'ad?

 

[TAC]

@Pakistan Space Agency

PSA sb,

End of the day, Pakistan hit 34 targets on 10 May.

And even your tallel than mountain fliend couldnt provide satellite images to verify the damages.

Regards

But your own spokeswoman accepted damages in men and material in the same breath as asking for deescalation no? Now go count up how many top of the line jets u lost including Ra-fail without even getting a shot off in reply.

 

[TAC]

@Olympus81 sb

there were X locations inside India that were hit by Pakistan.

Of course, you can hit 100 locations in IND- the question is are they of any strategic importance? Let's say is hitting a hangar with an AWACS inside the same as hitting a paanwallah's shop a mile outside an air base?

Regards

So if it was only paanwallah shops that were hit, why did your spokesperson come on tv and accept damages in men and material at specific Indian bases?

 

[Baibers_1260]

6 to 7 air to air plus plenty of sitting ducks made roasted at hangers.

@Olympus81 sb

there were X locations inside India that were hit by Pakistan.

Of course, you can hit 100 locations in IND- the question is are they of any strategic importance? Let's say is hitting a hangar with an AWACS inside the same as hitting a paanwallah's shop a mile outside an air base?

Regards

Iran provided no "satellite images" of hits on Tel Aviv, Natanz and Haifa . Israel was honest enough to show the hits.
Iran acknowledged widespread damage to its air defenses, and infrastructure.
Iran's regime was robust enough to survive disclosures as is Israel or as is Russia or Ukraine . Pakistan is robust enough to acknowledge damage to its air defenses and air bases, whether minor or major is a moot point.

If India acknowledges a single aircraft downed or air base hit the regime will be toppled . Currently it is feeding a lie to its population that not a single aircraft was downed or a single airbase was hit. The world and its own opposition parties know better

 

[Olympus81]

@Olympus81 sb

there were X locations inside India that were hit by Pakistan.

Of course, you can hit 100 locations in IND- the question is are they of any strategic importance? Let's say is hitting a hangar with an AWACS inside the same as hitting a paanwallah's shop a mile outside an air base?

Regards

And that story was broken by who? A retired PAF official if you recall as well as ISPR albeit cryptically.

Multiple hits on Indian AFB with billowing fire in some instances and yet the parroting that nothing got hit.

Next time, be more open about adversary’s extracts. Something the Indian armed forces spokesperson tried to do and got heckled. Then maybe it will do a world of good for the betterment of Indian forces.

 

[Vkdindian1]

India launched Brahmos on 10 May and Pakistan was preparing to respond but the response was going to be much larger. American intelligence picked up Pakistani preparations, panicked, told India which also panicked and asked for ceasefire.

Great storywriter you are. All the panic was on Indian side only which was striking your bases freely?

guided Fatah rockets?

What does it indicate to you? If a guided rocket couldn’t cause any verifiable damage means only one thing. And that is something no fanboy wants to accept. Since, they only want to believe that India striking accurately meters from you national capital and GHQ was panicking.

 

[Taimoor]

India launched Brahmos on 10 May and Pakistan was preparing to respond but the response was going to be much larger. American intelligence picked up Pakistani preparations, panicked, told India which also panicked and asked for ceasefire.

The US relayed Indian message for ceasefire, Pakistan agreed but still hit 34 Indian targets with guided Fatah rockets, artillery and drones throughout the day until 5 pm.

What you're suggesting is, as soon as Brahmos flew, Babur's should've also flown automatically in response. Why? After all, it is only Brahmos and not Agni or Prithvi.

But my main question again is, what's wrong with Pakistan hitting 34 targets in India and using guided Fatah rockets? What are Fatah series of guided rockets for? Are they not somehow good enough as Babur or Ra'ad?

Pakistan was preparing in the middle of conflict? Were you not already prepared? Everyone knew weeks before that India was upto no good!

Lets not get bogged down on matter neither you or I have intimate knowledge. The fact remains, that while Indian Army was firing their tactical cruise missile at us, Pakistan army leadership was BSing and when push came to the shove, in response only fired battlefield "rockets". On escalation ladder, the use of Brahmos and Babur are the same. Why are you confusing with the use of BMs which neither side used in this conflict?

 

[harpy1]

Pakistan was preparing in the middle of conflict? Were you not already prepared? Everyone knew weeks before that India was upto no good!

Lets not get bogged down on matter neither you or I have intimate knowledge. The fact remains, that while Indian Army was firing their tactical cruise missile at us, Pakistan army leadership was BSing and when push came to the shove, in response only fired battlefield "rockets". On escalation ladder, the use of Brahmos and Babur are the same. Why are you confusing with the use of BMs which neither side used in this conflict?

Because Pakistanis want to feel that they defeated India by starting a media campaign narritive of six Indian losses ...is India losing

There is no concrete proof accept doctored images
India has over 700 combat planes in navy and air force so how is six losses a defeat ...lol
Finally if you are that superior what happened when the Indians smashed ten of your air bases where was air defense radars fighters to stop.. and this impressive air force dominating India carrying out counter strikes
After all your pl15s could have taken out far more planes and done more strikes
Instead in response to India hitting your biggest air bases including in lslamabhad nur khan etc all you mustered was artillary shelling few rockets
Pathetic meek response

 

[TAC]

Great storywriter you are. All the panic was on Indian side only which was striking your bases freely?

What does it indicate to you? If a guided rocket couldn’t cause any verifiable damage means only one thing. And that is something no fanboy wants to accept. Since, they only want to believe that India striking accurately meters from you national capital and GHQ was panicking.

Yeah and great BS writer u are . So no panic on Indian bases when they were being hit? And they were hit otherwise your spokeswoman wouldn’t have come on tv early next morning confirming damage to men and material at specific Indian bases and offering deescalation at the same time. Keep beating your chest about firing stand off weapons from safety of 100’s of km inside India in desperate effort to somehow equate that to humiliation of getting so many of your best jets including Ra-fail smashed without them apparently even managing to get a shot off in response. I think all Indians trying to cope with that epic humiliation have the same crib sheet.