Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Persian Gulf]

The only point you made that could be seriously considered is the missile aspect. But Im not even sure they view that as a real threat. Out of 500–600 missiles...30 or 40 hit, destroyed some neighborhood blocks but other than that? Was any high value target destroyed? Anything that would actually make Israel shake in its boots?

a few good targets were hit, Haifa refinery, Unit 8200 buildings, MoD HQ, Weizmann Institute, probably a good number of censored hits at air bases. and thousands of homes destroyed as you mentioned. but you're right, not a strong return for the number of missiles fired.

on the other hand, Israel successfully suppressed fire from all western SSM bases (at least 20 such bases were thoroughly hit, damaging almost all above ground buildings and temporarily disabling the entrances), so Iran was forced to fire older missiles from central bases.

perhaps the results would be better/different if Iran could have used its newer missiles in the major SSM bases in the West of the country.

the benefit of Israel blocking these bases so early in the war is that these missile stockpiles and TELs are still there under the mountains waiting to be accessed again.

 

[ShapurII]

Unit 8200 buildings, MoD HQ

Were these two hit? I think we missed.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Were these two hit? I think we missed.

the video with 4 impacts near the Mossad HQ included a direct hit on a Unit 8200 training building

the MoD HQ in Tel Aviv suffered at least light damage, that Trey Fox News guy did a video about it saying they were not allowed to show it but you can see some windows shattered (and recently there were reports of Israel performing renovations to the MoD building)

I can try to find the videos if you can't remember based on the above

 

[FUB]

You just want to stifle any voice against the IR. Thats not how a free forum works.

Do you actually want sane and free discussion here or just people praising Khameneis aftabeh 24-7?

If you looked at my posts , I am objectively critical of IR. Certain people post non-stop from paid Israeli shills and pretend that the statements are true .
There is obviously a huge anti-Iran bias here. There is no doubt this regime had gotten us involved in Israel-Arab conflict that has nothing to do with us .
There is no doubt they wasted tens of billions of dollars with their failed militias,although not a complete failure.

The corruption and mismanagement is clear as day but we do not outsiders to make change in Iran.
The fact of matter is that cabal of satan finally forced the U.S into a conflict with us and the results was one thousand dead Iranians most of whom were civilians.

For someone to constantly post BS delusional fantasies of that tiny little country is equivalent to spitting on the graves of the innocent women and children that were killed .

He should just post from Babak. At least he doesn’t hide that he is a paid shill .

Everyone here needs to understand the true objective of the enemy is fragmentation of Iran. Social media and forums are an important battle ground otherwise that war criminal would not be paying off influencers to write pro- child killer content .

 

[ShapurII]

the video with 4 impacts near the Mossad HQ included a direct hit on a Unit 8200 training building

the MoD HQ in Tel Aviv suffered at least light damage, that Trey Fox News guy did a video about it saying they were not allowed to show it but you can see some windows shattered (and recently there were reports of Israel performing renovations to the MoD building)

I can try to find the videos if you can't remember based on the above

I remember the impacts were near, but I do not remember if they actually destroyed something.

 

[Persian Gulf]

I forgot the direct hit on Soroka Hospital. that was the least those bastards deserved for killing so many Iranian civilians.

 

[Persian Gulf]

I remember the impacts were near, but I do not remember if they actually destroyed something.

I think this shows the hit on the Aman building affiliated with unit 8200. I remember the Zionists confirmed it

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[Sarhang]

So, you're saying that they do not need to defang Iran?
What do you think their end game is then? Do you think the West is going to live with the Islamic Republic in its current form as long as they do not pursue nuclear weapons and do not completely turn to China and Russia?

Their end goal is regime change. Anyone with a basic grasp of politics understands this.

But even the Americans and Israelis didnt realize just how weak and incompetent the IR government actually is. Israeli officials admitted that during the first days of the war they expected to lose at least five or six fighter jets and had plans ready to rescue downed pilots.

They expected much stronger counterintelligence from the IR. They expected a higher fire rate from the missile bases. They expected some degree of professionalism from the IRGC-AF units.

But once they saw the real life performance of IRs military they stopped taking them as seriously.

Israel does want this regime gone yes but when the regime is already so incompetent and daghoon why would they be in such a hurry? Thats my point.

 

[ShapurII]

I think this shows the hit on the Aman building affiliated with unit 8200. I remember the Zionists confirmed it

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Their end goal is regime change. Anyone with a basic grasp of politics understands this.

But even the Americans and Israelis didnt realize just how weak and incompetent the IR government actually is. Israeli officials admitted that during the first days of the war they expected to lose at least five or six fighter jets and had plans ready to rescue downed pilots.

They expected much stronger counterintelligence from the IR. They expected a higher fire rate from the missile bases. They expected some degree of professionalism from the IRGC-AF units.

But once they saw the real life performance of IRs military they stopped taking them as seriously.

Israel does want this regime gone yes but when the regime is already so incompetent and daghoon why would they be in such a hurry? Thats my point.

So, if we agree on the idea that their end goal is regime change, why should they slow it down and delay it when their pressure is working and the IR seems completely bamboozled and stunned? What will they get from that? That makes no sense.

 

[BigMela2onin]

Israel does want this regime gone yes but when the regime is already so incompetent and daghoon why would they be in such a hurry? Thats my point.

Because they saw they can do it quickly and painlessly, why give IR a chance to make it harder later on?

 

[FUB]

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[ShapurII]

@Persian Gulf @Dariush-e Bozorg @Kyussis

Mohsen Rezaee: The Zionists want to try their luck again.

محسن رضایی: صهیونیست‌ها دوباره می‌خواهند شانس نظامی‌شان را علیه ایران امتحان کنند

محسن رضایی فرمانده سپاه پاسداران در دوران دفاع مقدس تاکید کرد: «...صهیونیست‌ها دنبال این هستند که یک‌بار دیگر از نظر نظامی شانس‌شان را علیه ایران امتحان کنند... ممکن است حوادثی در داخل اسرائیل به‌وجود بیاید که این کار ممکن نشود... در جنگ دوازده روزه فقط سی درصد از توان‌نمان را استفاده کردیم و...

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[Shafagh]

Their end goal is regime change. Anyone with a basic grasp of politics understands this.

But even the Americans and Israelis didnt realize just how weak and incompetent the IR government actually is. Israeli officials admitted that during the first days of the war they expected to lose at least five or six fighter jets and had plans ready to rescue downed pilots.

They expected much stronger counterintelligence from the IR. They expected a higher fire rate from the missile bases. They expected some degree of professionalism from the IRGC-AF units.

But once they saw the real life performance of IRs military they stopped taking them as seriously.

Israel does want this regime gone yes but when the regime is already so incompetent and daghoon why would they be in such a hurry? Thats my point.

Look, we can continue to mourn our shortcomings, or we can brainstorm how to address them and face tomorrow stronger, and with unwavering resolve.

I don't agree with the two pro I.R. people in this forum, but they have a point. This thread has been 2000 posts of people going back and forth about how incompetent I.R. is and how Iran is facing complete disaster.

1. Iran is not facing complete disaster

2. Nobody here is discussing a way forward. This thread is IRAN-ISRAEL-US Conflict discussion. The conflict is not over. We all need to put our heads together and set aside our differences, so that WE CAN SURVIVE. We are facing insurmountable odds. That requires a nation of ironlike resolve, and ingenuity like no other.

If the rumor about HQ9s and Migs is true, well it is a step in the right direction.

This Russian nuclear plant deal will address electricity problems

There are many issues remaining, but I am confident we can move forward and survive them without fracturing and falling into disarray like the arab countries. I don't think any of us here are MEK or sultanat talabs.

Iranians do best under pressure. Let's get something going.

I would be happy to contribute some ideas to any future Iranian analysis or research group, maybe Podcast, think tank, political group anyone would like to start, and use it as an avenue to funnel ideas to people in Iran who might be able to make them happen, whether they are lawmakers, policy designers, or academics.

Please guys. Let's get into this.

 

[FUB]

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[ShapurII]

Look, we can continue to mourn our shortcomings, or we can brainstorm how to address them and face tomorrow stronger, and with unwavering resolve.

Brainstorm what exactly?
We need nuclear weapons to survive.
The difference between our capabilities and the US capabilities is too huge for us to have a chance of winning this war without playing the madman policy.

I don't agree with the two pro I.R. people in this forum, but they have a point. This thread has been 2000 posts of people going back and forth about how incompetent I.R. is and how Iran is facing complete disaster.

That's nonsense and a blatant lie. Of 3600 pages in this thread, over 3000 pages of it are posts about the Israeli strikes on Iran. We haven't added even 360 pages after the war yet.

1. Iran is not facing complete disaster

Define complete disaster. Our economy is on the verge of collapse. Our air force had to hide in our neighboring countries during the 12-day battle. Our drones didn't perform as expected. We are one step away from Article 42 of the UN charter. People are dissatisfied with the situation.

2. Nobody here is discussing a way forward. This thread is IRAN-ISRAEL-US Conflict discussion. The conflict is not over. We all need to put our heads together and set aside our differences, so that WE CAN SURVIVE. We are facing insurmountable odds. That requires a nation of ironlike resolve, and ingenuity like no other.

Nuclear weapons and madman policy with the world's most important vein of energy is our only chance of surviving this. We need to raise the costs for our enemies.

If the rumor about HQ9s and Migs is true, well it is a step in the right direction.

Mig29s are not going to be a game changer. Our air defense and HQ9s will remain vulnerable to Israeli ALBMs over Iraqi airspace.

This Russian nuclear plant deal will address electricity problems

At a very high cost ($25B) and not anytime soon. It will take more than 10 years.