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[Persian Gulf]

I wondered if the deliveries is for 2026 to 2028 then why our pilot are not already in Russia being trained and why only 24 ecm pods
And why no Awacs

who said they are not already in Russia?

AWACS are much more expensive than fighter jets

 

[Persian Gulf]

Many in Europe are already tired of the war. Winter is also coming. Putin knows the West doesn’t like long conflicts - it’s already been 3 more years, in another 3 more years Ukraine will be a 3rd world country and Europe population will have ejected these EU leaders. Populism is on the rise.

I think you really misread the situation in Europe with Russia. the shift is really fundamental. outside of Belarus and Hungary, no one wants to be friends with Russia.

this reminds me of when Marandi warned of Europe's 'hard winter' as a reason why the West needed to revive the JCPOA more than Iran did. then the Mahsa Amini riots began and Iran became even more toxic than before.

anyway, back on topic...

 

[Pak-Warrior]

Any truth to this wild rumour??

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That twitter account is a hilarious troll. Those J-10Cs are Pakistan air force property. How on earth can China even imagine to "transfer" "its" J-10s from Pak to Iran? Its beyond China's control. Only Pakistan can decide if it wants to transfer or not, which it will not, given the threat these J-10Cs pose to india especially after recent air battle.

However, China has massive production capability, if it really wanted to transfer something urgently it can do it reallly quickly. Pakistan's order was fullfilled in 1.5 year.

Perhaps that is indian troll account as usual.

 

[kastor ville]

That twitter account is a hilarious troll. Those J-10Cs are Pakistan air force property. How on earth can China even imagine to "transfer" "its" J-10s from Pak to Iran? Its beyond China's control. Only Pakistan can decide if it wants to transfer or not, which it will not, given the threat these J-10Cs pose to india especially after recent air battle.

However, China has massive production capability, if it really wanted to transfer something urgently it can do it reallly quickly. Pakistan's order was fullfilled in 1.5 year.

Perhaps that is indian troll account as usual.

Not to mention the pilot training.....and then the maintenance training. It takes a couple years just for those two items.
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. One thing we forget is how useful these Migs are going to be without an integrated Air Defence system? Legit question....I don't know.

 

[Flotilla]

Russia says a lot of things, actions are what matter.

Let’s see if a single plane gets delivered. Based on document Russia can drag its feet for a while.

They delivered yaks 130. And they relies in high sensitive Iranian contracts like those gas turbines. So even if Irán doesn't have the upper hand, now Russia have higher dependence on Iranian suppliers. Ukranian war changed many things.

 

[Flotilla]

The more patriots THAADs and fighters stuck in arabian countries, the more freedom of action Putin has in Ukraine. Don't forget that.

Also very few countries will buy russian fighters. Their electronics fall behind last of Chinese and western countries. So it is in their máximum interest to put Irán in the very short list of russians aircrafts.

his war in Ukraine has fundamentally changed his relationship with Europe for at least the next 30+ years. and probably with the US too

if Putin was interested in any compromises he would have used Alaska meeting for that, but even Trump realises Putin is not interested in peace for now

Putin is friends with Israel but has been very pro-Palestine and Israel is sending air defences to Ukraine. it's not as black and white as you are suggesting.

 

[Persian Gulf]

The more patriots THAADs and fighters stuck in arabian countries, the more freedom of action Putin has in Ukraine. Don't forget that.

Also very few countries will buy russian fighters. Their electronics fall behind last of Chinese and western countries. So it is in their máximum interest to put Irán in the very short list of russians aircrafts.

it is only a shame we didn't see some orders for su-30 and su-57 as well. but 48 is a reasonable number of su-35.

 

[hasssanali8998]

PS. HQ-9 is a tried tested failed SAM system.

idk man , the airbase where i was at during the may conflict had 100% interception rate . and it is very close to the border . even iron dome failed a few times . we accept our ADs were not up to the task (esp for cruise missiles and drones ) but that will definitely be solved

 

[Comandante]

It is also questionable whether the Iranian Su-35 is equipped with an AESA radar.

 

[Mr Iran Eye]

It's been two days since I've visited his forum, and my group is much more interesting. I'm waiting for the upcoming announcements, but my reaction is, "Wow!" Yes, Iran makes a lot of foreign purchases, but domestic production is booming.

Regarding the Kowsar, will you stop taking lies from Dr. Mason? It's completely false to say they stopped production at 5 Kowsars; it's ridiculous. His number 5 comes from the Wikipedia page; stop believing his nonsense. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HESA_Kowsar

I never said the manned Kowsar was controlled by AI; he's lying again. I said there were AI elements linked to the drones. All I know is that it appears the new AESA radar for the Kowsar is in mass production. I remain cautious because I am not 100% sure of this news.

 

[mangekyo]

Don't be a smartass. We need everything we can get. Iran doesnt have luxury to complain we dont have sukhois.

I don’t mean to be negative here, and I admit I am no airforce expert. But last time Israeli F15s attacked us from Iraq and some from Azerbaijan. This is also where most of the drone activity was. Tehran was also hit bad and Israel claims it was F35s, but we don’t know this.

Mig29 don’t have the range to engage F15s all the way in Iraq or Azerbaijan. They also can’t engage F35s. They could in theory be used to target drones, but I think as soon as they are up in the air, the radar will be jammed and they will be hit by Israeli planes. Also we already had migs but we didn’t use them last time, what has changed? Even if we want to use them, we can’t protect the runways. So even if we get a thousand of these planes, they will either be destroyed on ground, prevented from takeoff, prevented from landing after runways are destroyed, or hit in the air.

And I want to add in that i have doubts we can coordinate and organize having friendly planes in the sky during a conflict. Remember when we hit the Ukrainian passenger jet?

 

[Shafagh]

So even if we get a thousand of these planes, they will either be destroyed on ground, prevented from takeoff or hit in the air.

They cannot knock out every single base in one wave. Even Iraq in the Gulf War faced off in dozens of air to air sorties against coalition aircraft, and the country is much smaller.

If all the Migs engage is cruise missiles and drones, then that in itself is valuable deterrence. Nobody expects Mig 29s to fly into Iraq and dogfight with the Israelis. They need to provide point defence against drones, protect our TELs and missile bases from drones and missiles.

At the very very least, force Israeli aircraft to perform evasive maneuvers, taking them off target, giving transport and launch crews valuable time, allowing air defence to track and engage targets.

If the choice is nothing, or Modernized Mig 29s, I would still choose the latter.

Lastly, If the regime survives, we would need CAS for suppressing insurgent groups, Taliban, maybe even rival arab states. You never know. When all the dust settles, if we have Migs flying over Tehran, it's a big boost to morale and a sign Iran has endured, and has not fallen.

 

[mangekyo]

They cannot knock out every single base in one wave. Even Iraq in the Gulf War faced off in dozens of air to air sorties against coalition aircraft, and the country is much smaller.

If all the Migs engage is cruise missiles and drones, then that in itself is valuable deterrence. Nobody expects Mig 29s to fly into Iraq and dogfight with the Israelis. They need to provide point defence against drones, protect our TELs and missile bases from drones and missiles.

At the very very least, force Israeli aircraft to perform evasive maneuvers, taking them off target, giving transport and launch crews valuable time, allowing air defence to track and engage targets.

If the choice is nothing, or Modernized Mig 29s, I would still choose the latter.

Lastly, If the regime survives, we would need CAS for suppressing insurgent groups, Taliban, maybe even rival arab states. You never know. When all the dust settles, if we have Migs flying over Tehran, it's a big boost to morale and a sign Iran has endured, and has not fallen.

I understand that these MiGs have symbolic value, but symbolism does not provide protection. Last time, Israel had full control of the skies and hit planes and runways many times. We already have proof that they were able to destroy aircraft on the ground and damage runways. This is not hypothetical.

They were able to target exact IRGC units in multiple apartment buildings, so hitting aircraft and airbases is not difficult for them. The MiGs cannot protect themselves on the ground, and there is no strong air defense to protect them.

In the air, Israeli aircraft can attack from long distances, outside the MiGs’ range. If the MiGs try to go after drones, they will expose themselves and be hit.

Without proper protection for the planes and runways, the MiGs will not change the situation.

 

[Shafagh]

I understand that these MiGs have symbolic value, but symbolism does not provide protection. Last time, Israel had full control of the skies and hit planes and runways many times. We already have proof that they were able to destroy aircraft on the ground and damage runways. This is not hypothetical.

They were able to target exact IRGC units in multiple apartment buildings, so hitting aircraft and airbases is not difficult for them. The MiGs cannot protect themselves on the ground, and there is no strong air defense to protect them.

In the air, Israeli aircraft can attack from long distances, outside the MiGs’ range. If the MiGs try to go after drones, they will expose themselves and be hit.

Without proper protection for the planes and runways, the MiGs will not change the situation.

Having jets in the sky, whether they are Su 35s, or Mig 29s, might mean the difference between a 20 missile salvo reaching Israel, and a 30 missile salvo. I know it sounds miniscule, but the window to intercept Iranian missiles before terminal phase is very short.

If they can hold the Israelis back to get several more missiles launched, it could mean enough missiles get through to completely destroy a target.

 

[Shafagh]

I wonder if Iranian scientists can develop air launched drones or missiles that can mimick the radar signature of a jet, to fool Israelis into engaging threats that are not there?