PAF F-16 | Discussions

[Ak01]

No, I said Erieye and F-16 can talk, NATO do that all the time.

In PAF's case, even, no, i believe it all is done via intermediary, including erieye

My issue is with say a Chinese radar data linking to the F-16V. "Translation nodes" waste valuable seconds no? Also how does the node get to connect to Link 16 on the F-16?

its all integrated, so chinese, us, german, etc.

Yeah, adds latency, hence why PAF has always said its a near real time system, not a real time. Even in the promo videos, LINK-17/etc has always been touted as near real time.

 

[Ak01]

I am not making the claim of 190km+ kill of a 4.5 gen fighter by PL15 am I? And who are you? Random nobody?

You have to be retard to believe a drone can mimic a mach 1.8 4.5 gen actual combat jet loaded with top of the line EW.

Dont dig yourself a hole which you may not be able to come out in dignity.

but yes, target drones are designed to mimic...targets.

A 9g, 600kts drone is no joke lol.

 

[Yasser76]

In PAF's case, even, no, i believe it all is done via intermediary, including erieye

its all integrated, so chinese, us, german, etc.

Yeah, adds latency, hence why PAF has always said its a near real time system, not a real time. Even in the promo videos, LINK-17/etc has always been touted as near real time.

This is my point, the difference between real time and "near real time" makes a difference, but seems PAF has opted for a solution that can integrate multiple platforms from multiple vendors in exchange for a few seconds (perhaps just milliseconds) delay.

All in all though, increasingly it seems US has decided that Pakistani power in the region should be increased. My feeling, and it is just a feeling, is that US has no real long term ambition to fight China. So India becomes redundant in terms of US strategy, simply an economic partner like say Mexico or Indonesia.

Pakistan becomes a regional policeman that both US and China are comfortable with.

If V upgrades and J-35 come in next 2-3 years, for the first time in history we may be looking at Pakistani airpower surpassing Indian air power.

 

[Corax]

This is my point, the difference between real time and "near real time" makes a difference, but seems PAF has opted for a solution that can integrate multiple platforms from multiple vendors in exchange for a few seconds (perhaps just milliseconds) delay.

All in all though, increasingly it seems US has decided that Pakistani power in the region should be increased. My feeling, and it is just a feeling, is that US has no real long term ambition to fight China. So India becomes redundant in terms of US strategy, simply an economic partner like say Mexico or Indonesia.

Pakistan becomes a regional policeman that both US and China are comfortable with.

If V upgrades and J-35 come in next 2-3 years, for the first time in history we may be looking at Pakistani airpower surpassing Indian air power.

I would contend the PAF already surpasses the IAF. And they did with mostly Chinese tech and home grown solutions and doctrine.

 

[Yasser76]

I would contend the PAF already surpasses the IAF. And they did with mostly Chinese tech and home grown solutions and doctrine.

Well IAF is much larger, but as more years pass and with no new aircraft actually being delivered, we are in a world where PAF is moving forward with the J-10C, J-35, AMRAAM C8, PL-15 and possibly F-16V.

The lack of any progress on modernisation of it's fighter fleet by IAF is bizarre.

The tech of the much vaunted SU-30s are now obsolete, older then the F-16 MLUs that PAF no longer considers front line

Rafales are 32 (possibly 28) in number, MIG-29 and Mirage 2000 upgrades took so long they were obsolete on delivery.

 

[Pogic]

I would contend the PAF already surpasses the IAF. And they did with mostly Chinese tech and home grown solutions and doctrine.

In terms of peak performance yes, but in a conflict longer than a week you can only keep 20 and 17 odd J-10cs and Jf-17c in the air for so long before you have to start doing maintenance.

 

[Yasser76]

In terms of peak performance yes, but in a conflict longer than a week you can only keep 20 and 17 odd J-10cs and Jf-17c in the air for so long before you have to start doing maintenance.

Numbers are a problem for sure

 

[PakistaniDefender]

New build V's are likely - the number being eyed is 36(org req) for two sq of high end.
Maybe Back and forth in play regarding future of lowest airframe use MLUs - potentially to be kept or relegated to OCU or second line duties.

There will be a timeframe when PAF fleet will be vulnerable from a no's standpoint as it was during upgrade cycle for MLUs.

Will Pakistan upgrade its Block15 ADFs as well??

 

[Yasser76]

Will Pakistan upgrade its Block15 ADFs as well??

I think these birds are beyond help.
They has now Falcon UP upgrade and have very dated avnionics, behind even Block 1 JF-17s

 

[ghazi52]

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[_NOBODY_]

But this is expected.

The only lots harping on about NGFA's in 1 year, then 2, then 3, etc are the typical jazbati raja baja types lol

I dont understand how anyone actually thinks its feasible. China has its own HUGE demands to meet, sure, they've got a megafactory blah blah, but i cant imagine them diverting any capacity to export until they've managed to shore up enough for their own. That atleast means a fair bit of time, not to mention all of the teething issues that WILL occur, the PAF will obviously want to see how these pan out and how the project is going, its all so new here, all of it is unproven and naturally they will want to see every aspect of the system prove itself, from the final product, to the supply chain etc.


I think in both cases, F-16s and J-10s will be heavily relied upon for top cover/potshots, with J-35s in day 2 configs for the follow up strikes

Yeah, the Iraqis are retards, i remember, there was a story about their techs leaving spanners in the engines.

Plus, PAF would like the J-35 platform to mature.

 

[ghazi52]

 

[ghazi52]

 

[Night Memory]

Well IAF is much larger, but as more years pass and with no new aircraft actually being delivered, we are in a world where PAF is moving forward with the J-10C, J-35, AMRAAM C8, PL-15 and possibly F-16V.

The lack of any progress on modernisation of it's fighter fleet by IAF is bizarre.

The tech of the much vaunted SU-30s are now obsolete, older then the F-16 MLUs that PAF no longer considers front line

Rafales are 32 (possibly 28) in number, MIG-29 and Mirage 2000 upgrades took so long they were obsolete on delivery.

We should not underestimate our enemy. They are already doing the “needful”. SU-30s are going through super sukhoi, which will grant them an AESA radar and a longer range missile. Getting 114 Rafales, its only a matter of time they gain superiority in numbers and quality. Tejas MK-2 is also ongoing which will make it equal to JF-17 Block 3 on paper. At this point, the great differentiator would be J-35 but to what degree, cant really say.

Beside this we need to invest heavily in air defence as india procures more and more S-400 batteries.

 

[Abdul q]

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