Pakistan-Af: Operation Khyber Storm

[Blain2]

Pakistan cannot conquer Afghanistan. But it can make it impossible to administer.

Rest it will devolve into chaos by itself.

Tauba karro yara. Pakistan has no desire to take over Afghanistan. We don't even want what is on the other side of the DL if they reconcile with what we are left with on our end. We have no claim on any of their territory.

 

[Bilal]

Tauba karro yara. Pakistan has no desire to take over Afghanistan. We don't even want what is on the other side of the DL if they reconcile with what we are left with on our end. We have no claim on any of their territory.

Bro. I said “cannot”.

 

[Master Chief]

We forget that lsrael and pakistan are religious-political ideology state. Before 47, there was no Pakistan, as there was no Israel before its ‘founding’… both were political solution states drawn up by her majesty’s government - UK in alignment with US and France

Like Israel as a state needs to safeguard its land, water and air from external capture of muslims, Pakistan faces external capture risk from Indians and Afghans, china we okay to give mountains to.

Unlike Israel our religious ethos adds a level 2 complexity of Muslim brotherhood vs secular/kafir right wing state with Muslim substantiated persecution allegations on our west and east

Our generals, political leaders and bureaucrats need come to grips with reality very quickly in deed

Complete hogwash in your first and third paragraphs. Open a thread with your assertions and I will gladly address them there. Don't spout western propaganda here.

 

[side-winder]

GD Bakshi is back with his wailing

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[RescueRanger]

TALIBAN/Indian fake videos summed up in one hilarious google review:



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[RescueRanger]

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Someone put a coin in the idiot again

 

[RescueRanger]

All conflicts end in talks. Sooner or later.

What has been meted out has given the other side a pause. That they are hard-headed goes without saying but they don't hold all the cards either.

This is the FIRST time when series pain has been inflicted and it is overwhelmingly one-sided. They know it.

But this is a long road. In my mind, here is a reason why this mess will perpetuate.

Taliban truly think that they are doing the ummah a service and displacing Pakistan's military/constitution and a Talibanized takeover of the country is another step in solidifying their ideology. It won't stop there. From Pakistan, it would be Iran next and then into the Gulf etc. The funny thing is that the RSS morons gloating over this divide have no idea that at one point, Pakistan/Afghanistan would be united in challenging and eventually displacing Indian hegemony in South Asia.

My own thinking is that instead of this militancy based approach, Pakistani society has already been Islamized enough where there isn't a hard pushback on imposition of Sharia (we run a federal shariat court). It is slowly happening on its own. Compare what Pakistan was in the 60s/70s/90s and what it is now and it is evident.

b) Taliban are


In case of ANY suicide attack, Pakistan should hit Kabul/Kandahar directly! And then push 50,000 Afghan refugees across the border by trucking them to the border.
The pain has to be raised manifold for the Taliban and their proxies. If Pakistani citizens die by their IED/suicide bombings, then they are clearly opening the door for their own citizens dying in Pakistani response.

It would be EXTREMELY unfortunate if Taliban go down this path. Pakistan is NOT killing their citizens daily. They need to understand this very clearly. But Pakistan will be forced to respond aggressively.

Yes - any attack on Pakistan will be met with a brutal response.

 

[Ali_Baba]

I am surprised this is still going on and that is being escalated. This war does not benefit either side.

If it goes on and a full scale war erupts, both Pakistan and Afghanistan would face economic collapse, though in different ways. Pakistan, already burdened by massive debt and dependent on IMF loans, would see its military spending soar, reserves drain, and investor confidence evaporate, likely leading to default within months. Inflation would surge, the currency would crash, and austerity would follow. Afghanistan, with almost no financial reserves or institutional support, would suffer immediate devastation, trade would halt, imports would dry up, and millions would face unemployment and hunger. Pakistan would be crippled by debt; Afghanistan by destitution. Both nations would emerge weaker, poorer, and far less stable than before.

I am not sure if both Pakistani and Afghan brothers realize this, but cheering this on is actually idiotic, this if it continues, would cripple both nations, especially Afghanistan.

How can Afghanistan have a full war with anyone? They have some 20-30 tanks in total. No airforce. No nothing.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Many of us, including me, have been proven wrong. I thought the Afghan Taliban of August 2021 MUST have learned some lessons from the previous 20 years of pounding by the Americans. The Afghan Taliban even tried to say then that they are no longer the same people and that was so believable--you know, 20 years of global connectivity and younger people then. They presented a few English speaking spokesmen. They indeed do good on establishing the 'peace' in Afghanistan, and on removing the poppy cultivation, reducing corruption, etc etc.
But they were too dumb to realize their path to power and prosperity runs through Pakistan and not through some misguided ideological support to a fringe group like the Pakistani Taliban.

As per the KITAP, some folks were turned into apes when they transgressed way too much...

Ram employed Hanuman (apes) as his primary line of offense against Ravana....

As for Ram Rajya of Bharat, Afgans = Apes.....

The Pak forces are fighting against apes.....

 

[Blain2]

Don't forget they're your proxy, you brought them to power, supported them when they were hunted. They're forced on us. As to why they're attacked?
Frankly, as always Pakistan is and was a hired gun. This nothing more than papa Trumps request for Bagram. Also, the proxy backfired, so they're of no use to you anymore.
The average Afghans are happy Taliban are getting humbled. We couldn't be happier with the current conflict. We also foresee this situation getting out of hand for both parties. It's match made in heaven

Nothing brought on by any foreign power can stay. How long did the American supported or for that matter, Soviet supported governments last in Afghanistan?
Not very long.

Afghans, for the most part in the largest demographic i.e., Pakhtuns, are OK with what Taliban offer. The same goes with some members of our FATA being ok with Taliban style nizam.

As far as hired gun goes, you need to look at the history of Afghanistan before lobbing that accusation at us.
Afghans have cooperated with every foreign power to the detriment of their own country. It was Afghans who conspired with Soviets to help their take-over. It was Afghans who worked with Pakistan, KSA to fight against Soviet. It was Afghans who aided American occupation of their country. So how are we hired guns and not you?

I visited Washington DC and met a few Afghans. They all had nice big homes and it turns out they were interpreters for the Americans. Aiding a foreign power in the occupation of their own country and then jetting off to America to live a life of luxury.

Nobody in Pakistan is happy over Afghan bloodletting. You, if you are truly Afghan, may not realize this but Pakistanis do not hate/despise Afghans. A lot of the recent sentiment has developed because of the mass murders in Pakistan over the the past 25 years. Pakistan did not invite the US to invade Afghanistan, just like Pakistan had no hand in the Soviet takeover of your country. If Afghanistan joins Pakistan in stopping the TTP/BLA attacks, FTA, CPEC, full diplomatic ties, etc. etc. are all on the table.

Cut Pakistanis some slack. The entire country's landscape has changed because of what we have had to go through for Afghanistan and its people over the past 45 years.

 

[Master Chief]

Typical Pakistani paranoia, even if Afghanistan didn't exist. It would Iranians and Central Asians in bed with Indians. There's no end to the paranoia. That's some real scars at the base of this paranoia.

Bullshit my Afghan friend. Bullshit.

Only TWO nations disputed Pakistani sovereignty in 1947 - Afg and Ind.

Nobody else did.

Tajiks, Persians, anyone else will get on fine with Pakistan because none of them wants our territory. ALL other disputes are resolvable and can be compromised on.

Feel free to preach your sanctimonious assertions to Indians - they will be happy to listen.

 

[Ali_Baba]

The problem the Taliban have, is that Pakistan knows "all" of their secrets. Who everyone is, where they live and where they hide "all" their toys. There is nothing that the Taliban can hide because Pakistan has logged all the locations.

They have learnt something this lesson recently, the very hard way. The lessons become harder, the longer it takes the Taliban to realise the full lesson.

 

[Gripen9]

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[hussain0216]

Youre probably too young and ignorant, that's why you don't know that Afghanistan was a thriving democracy in the 60s and 70s. We didn't need Soviet socialism or western capitalism.
That all ended when Pakistan was propped up by the west. We were forced to join in on the soviets, and the rest is a history as they say. CIA, Pakistan, Saudi, madrasas, terrorism, depashtunization, WOT, Taliban 2.0 and cavemen of 2026.

Oh poor you

 

[krash]

So, what youre saying is that violence is not needed when negotiating?

No, instead that violence was used to bring them to negotiate. Pakistan wishes to check if the dosage was enough or if more needs to be prescribed. Negotiations after this might not be held as amicably.

Pathan, Pashtoon and Pakhtoon are exactly the same thing. Different names for the same ethnic group. The word 'Pathan' is more often used in Urdu while the people call themselves 'Pashtoon' or 'Pakhtoon.' That's why the province was named Pakhtunkhwa. Pashto is the language of the Pakhtuns.

Dari is an alternative name for Persian (Farsi) that is used in Afghanistan. Persian is the official language in three countries:

1. Iran, where it is called Farsi.
2. Afghanistan, where it is called Dari.
3. Tajikistan, where it is called Tajiki and uses the Russian alphabet.

In Afghanistan Dari is the official language, like Urdu is in Pakistan. All/most Pashtuns in Afghanistan also speak Dari, like Pashtuns in Pakistan speak Urdu. Pakhtuns are a majority in Afghanistan, although there are more of them in Pakistan. The Taliban are mostly Pakhtuns which is why Pakistan supported them.

Urdu itself is a hybrid mixture of Indic/Persian/Arabic. In everyday conversation it inclines towards Indic, but in formal speech it becomes heavily Persian/Arabic. Persian speakers find it easier to learn Urdu than Pashto and Urdu speakers find it easier to learn Persian than Pashto.


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Dari is a specific dialect of Persian and is also spoken in Pakistan by various communities, including the Hazara.