Pakistan-Af: Operation Khyber Storm

[Gripen9]

They are still barking on Afghan TV that they will fly the white flag (Taliban Flag) and the Tricolour over Islamabad.

Delulu people .

 

[RescueRanger]

Delulu people .

Yup. But they are insidious -

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This is what they would like to do if they had the capability - but they don't. They will resort to suicide bombing in coming days.

 

[side-winder]

They will be back for sure. I hope we have our next list of targets ready.

We need to keep them under continuous ISR surveillance through drones.

 

[RescueRanger]

They will be back for sure. I hope we have our next list of targets ready.

We need to keep them under continuous ISR surveillance through drones.

Let's open a new halwa shop in Kabul - "TTA get to eat free"...

 

[Signalian]

@Ghaznavi101 may I please request that you bow out of this thread for a brief period as emotions are high on both sides.

There will be time to look at the bigger picture soon. InshaAllah.

Not just him.
idhar frustration nikaali jati hay. kisi ne koi baat to kisi ki maani nai hoti. bus apni soch aur apni ideology propagate karo. convince koi nai hota yahan pe, chahay koi bhi ho.

 

[Baibers_1260]

That all ended when Pakistan was propped up by the west. We were forced to join in on the soviets, and the rest is a history as they say.

We are diverting from the topic but the mods may allow a couple of posts.
1. Democracy: Were you really a democracy in the 60s and 70s? You mean under a Soviet propped up monarchy of King Zahir Shah and his family feuds in the Kabul palace which led to his ouster by Daud Shah ?
2. Rest is history. Who forced you to join the Soviets? What was democratic about the blood bath between the Khalq & Parcham factions of your communist party which was so disgusting to the Soviets that they mounted the largest Spetznaz operation in their history exceeding their Hungarian operations.
3. Pakistan's role : Quite the reverse it is Afganistan that has interfered with the internal affairs of Pakistan, right from the time of Pakistan's independence when Afghanistan worked with the GRU-KGB to ferment a left wing rebellion inside Pakistan using the Communist Party of Pakistan ( CPP) and sympathetic left wing Pakistan Army officers like those involved in the Rawalpindi conspiracy case. When we cracked down on the CPP, the cadres (along with their leadership headed by Jam Saqi ) fled, seeking asylum in Afghanistan and forming a sabotage and propaganda cell in Tashkent. Radio Tashkent spewed anti-Pakistani propaganda in Urdu and Pashto and was rebroadcast by powerful relay transmitters in Afghanistan to overcome the mountain barriers and penetrate Pakistan's airspace,
Afghan meddling inside Pakistan with side-kicks like Badshah Khan and his National Awami Party clone is well remembered.

The military threat was no less real. There were routine violations of Pakistani airspace by Mig 17s and Yak fighters when Pakistan barely had an air force with just a few ramshackle squadrons of Supermarine Attacker aircraft and Hawker Furys.

We remember the 60's and 70's when Kabul was a favorite haven for draft dodgers and Hippies second only to Kathmandu.
Question :
Is Pakistan to blame for the Soviet intervention in Afghanistan ?

 

[Master Chief]

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never learn pakistan, never learn...


though, i guess in the short term it would be helpful, in the long term though? Only solution is one like Israel.

OTOH, in the meantime would be fun to annex wakhan and let the NRF use it as a staging ground for their rebuild protected by pak, but just remember, they hate pak too.

They are allowed to hate Pak. I'm not here to make friends with them either!

They CANNOT launch military or irregular attacks on Pakistan though.

You're right - it is a quagmire, but anyone who won't resort to bombing us via irregulars or attacking us with regular forces or aiding Indian designs in the east would be the preferred option.

This is why the less irrational groups are Pakistan's best bet.

 

[Blain2]

Bro. I said “cannot”.

I got what you said. I was reinforcing your point by adding that we have no desire, no intention on any of their land.

 

[hasn2009]

All conflicts end in talks. Sooner or later.

What has been meted out has given the other side a pause. That they are hard-headed goes without saying but they don't hold all the cards either.

This is the FIRST time when series pain has been inflicted and it is overwhelmingly one-sided. They know it.

But this is a long road. In my mind, here is a reason why this mess will perpetuate.

Taliban truly think that they are doing the ummah a service and displacing Pakistan's military/constitution and a Talibanized takeover of the country is another step in solidifying their ideology. It won't stop there. From Pakistan, it would be Iran next and then into the Gulf etc. The funny thing is that the RSS morons gloating over this divide have no idea that at one point, Pakistan/Afghanistan would be united in challenging and eventually displacing Indian hegemony in South Asia.

My own thinking is that instead of this militancy based approach, Pakistani society has already been Islamized enough where there isn't a hard pushback on imposition of Sharia (we run a federal shariat court). It is slowly happening on its own. Compare what Pakistan was in the 60s/70s/90s and what it is now and it is evident.

b) Taliban are


In case of ANY suicide attack, Pakistan should hit Kabul/Kandahar directly! And then push 50,000 Afghan refugees across the border by trucking them to the border.
The pain has to be raised manifold for the Taliban and their proxies. If Pakistani citizens die by their IED/suicide bombings, then they are clearly opening the door for their own citizens dying in Pakistani response.

It would be EXTREMELY unfortunate if Taliban go down this path. Pakistan is NOT killing their citizens daily. They need to understand this very clearly. But Pakistan will be forced to respond aggressively.

How about for every afghani terrorist attack in Pakistan in future, we level 10 of their posts, shut off trade for 30 days, and deport 50000 afghanis?

 

[A1Kaid]

A large segment of the Taliban are essentially a pan-Pashtun extremist group that shroud themselves in an Islamic cloak to appear more acceptable.

Their goal is to seize KP, despite the fact vast majority of Pashtuns in KP don’t want to be apart of Afghanistan.

They think Afghan = Pashtun and Pashtun = Afghan

It should not be mistaken as a purely Islamist group.

 

[Blain2]

Youre probably too young and ignorant, that's why you don't know that Afghanistan was a thriving democracy in the 60s and 70s. We didn't need Soviet socialism or western capitalism.
That all ended when Pakistan was propped up by the west. We were forced to join in on the soviets, and the rest is a history as they say. CIA, Pakistan, Saudi, madrasas, terrorism, depashtunization, WOT, Taliban 2.0 and cavemen of 2026.

"We were forced to join in on the soviets"

Very light treatment there by you. We could skip over a lot of the same for Pakistan too.

But let's visit the facts. Pakistan has never had ANY territorial designs on Afghanistan. The same cannot be said about Afghanistan.

Second, why would Pakistan's alignment with the US bother Afghans?

Third, Pakistan was no different in the era prior to Soviet-Afghan war of 1979. A vibrant, upwardly mobile population that was set back by the Islamization that your "joining in on the Soviets" brought about. That Islamization was not native to Pakistan nor Afghanistan and we did not export that to your country. Saudis and Iranians, in their own campaign of influence, brought that about and your people, just like ours ate it up. So why blame Pakistan for it?

 

[Al-Zakir]

GD Bakshi is back with his wailing

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He has a Ph.D. and his research subject was the growth of mustaches and the mastery of shouting skills.

 

[Blain2]

I am surprised this is still going on and that is being escalated. This war does not benefit either side.

If it goes on and a full scale war erupts, both Pakistan and Afghanistan would face economic collapse, though in different ways. Pakistan, already burdened by massive debt and dependent on IMF loans, would see its military spending soar, reserves drain, and investor confidence evaporate, likely leading to default within months. Inflation would surge, the currency would crash, and austerity would follow. Afghanistan, with almost no financial reserves or institutional support, would suffer immediate devastation, trade would halt, imports would dry up, and millions would face unemployment and hunger. Pakistan would be crippled by debt; Afghanistan by destitution. Both nations would emerge weaker, poorer, and far less stable than before.

I am not sure if both Pakistani and Afghan brothers realize this, but cheering this on is actually idiotic, this if it continues, would cripple both nations, especially Afghanistan.

There will not be a full-fledged war. Pakistani government and our security establishment know they don't want one. The idea is no different than Turkey's attempts to manage the Kurdish problem through attacks in Iraq and Syria.

Pakistan is trying to manage a terrorism problem emanating from Afghanistan. It is for Afghans to think first and foremost if their support for TTP/BLA is worth a big confrontation with Pakistan.

Both countries have plenty of other problems to solve instead of fighting, but Pakistanis cannot sit around silently while hundreds of our citizens are being murdered as if lambs at the slaughterhouse (every year since 2022, we have lost over a thousand ppl per annum in these attacks). No country in the world has let that kind of murderous mayhem go.

Pakistan has been doing nothing but talking with over 50 delegations (govt, jirgas, civil society) sent to Afg in the past 3-4 years pleading for Taliban to stop the TTP from operating. No go.

 

[Dr khan]

A large segment of the Taliban are essentially a pan-Pashtun extremist group that shroud themselves in an Islamic cloak to appear more acceptable.

Their goal is to seize KP, despite the fact vast majority of Pashtuns in KP don’t want to be apart of Afghanistan.

They think Afghan = Pashtun and Pashtun = Afghan

It should not be mistaken as a purely Islamist group.

No they think we need to rule the Pakistani pushtoon not free them or join them.

They call them daal khoor

 

[Blain2]

He has a Ph.D. and his research subject was the growth of mustaches and the mastery of shouting skills.

He is as jahil and ill-informed as they come. Embarrassment to senior retired officers on both sides of the divide.