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Delhi: On Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA), Indian Air Force Chief Air Chief Marshal AP Singh says, "...As I understand, it is going to fly in this decade, in the 2028, somewhere that is the first flight planned and by 2035, it is supposed to be inducted and operationalised in the Indian Air Force as of now... So I personally feel this timeline can be achieved, or maybe even better, if people really want to do it. It's possible. And as far as technology is concerned now, AMCA technology is fairly clear in our mind as to what we want and what is required and where it is available and how it is available.""As far as SU-57 is concerned, I just want to say that we have to weigh all the options, and we in the defence ministry and in the Indian Air Force have a very set process of induction of any weapon system, and that process will be followed. So what comes will depend on what meets the requirement and what is best for us..."

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[johncliu88]

The reporters asked the wrong guy for AMCA status. How would Mr. Singh know when it will fly? They need to ask the head of the R&D group when the plane design will be done and finalized, then the schedule of first prototype be built. BTW, will the engines be ready for show time then?

 

[CallSignMaverick]

The reporters asked the wrong guy for AMCA status. How would Mr. Singh know when it will fly? They need to ask the head of the R&D group when the plane design will be done and finalized, then the schedule of first prototype be built. BTW, will the engines be ready for show time then?

Mentioned in the video above the tweet. But is in Hindi.

 

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I'm quietly confident about Godrej Aerospace, I bumped into someone who works for Godrej Aerospace few months ago, although he was a project manager in a different stream, however, knew a thing or two about dry Kaveri derivative they are building for GTRE. Not sure about this, he mentioned about their amazing skills in precision manufacturing especially 3d printing, and more importantly, genuine enthusiasm he showed did not comes across a boast to me. He said GTRE were amazed by the quality and speed at which a prototype engine was built for them.

If things are half as good as he was stating, I reckon, they will be churning out dry Kaveri derivatives in large numbers, and Ghatak can be made in large numbers if IAF need/want.

Would love to hear other people’s opinion on this as I never heard much about Godrej Aerospace and was pleasantly surprised by existence of these skills in Indian private industry sector.

 

[Vkdindian1]

I'm quietly confident about Godrej Aerospace, I bumped into someone who works for Godrej Aerospace few months ago, although he was a project manager in a different stream, however, knew a thing or two about dry Kaveri derivative they are building for GTRE. Not sure about this, he mentioned about their amazing skills in precision manufacturing especially 3d printing, and more importantly, genuine enthusiasm he showed did not comes across a boast to me. He said GTRE were amazed by the quality and speed at which a prototype engine was built for them.

If things are half as good as he was stating, I reckon, they will be churning out dry Kaveri derivatives in large numbers, and Ghatak can be made in large numbers if IAF need/want.

Would love to hear other people’s opinion on this as I never heard much about Godrej Aerospace and was pleasantly surprised by existence of these skills in Indian private industry sector.

Private sector has taken a little time to warm up to defence manufacturing. The main reason was bottlenecks created by the Babus and PSUs. Those barriers have been almost destroyed now.
With big names like TATA, Adani, Godrej, Kalyani etc entering the game, they can wield enough muscle power to bring down any bottle necks as we move forward.
I expect and anticipate that growth in cutting edge areas is bound to take place at a rapid pace.
These companies have the will power and resources to make it happen. If Indians can be one of the biggest contributors to innovation across the world, why can’t they do it here. That didn’t happen till now due to babudom factor.
Golden age of defence innovation is calling.

 

[baqai]

I think having ingenious project is the right way to go but i think having ambitious scope of work will result (and have) in failure

IMHO proper way would had been to work on 3/3.5/4 gen TEJAS, have it operational in numbers, learn from the mistakes made during the project and built up on it, instead there seems to be a quest for launching projects left, right and center

this circus reminds me of Pakistani political scene, do a opening ceremony, put a name plate and that's the end of the project

 

[Oscar]

Golden age of defence innovation is calling.

Considering the experience I have had with some of these big names in plain procurement and joint partnerships. You may have to wait at the station a little longer since the Babudam is a cultural issue and NOT just a government issue.

 

[Ak01]

y

this circus reminds me of Pakistani political scene, do a opening ceremony, put a name plate and that's the end of the project

yeh but indians built an industry.

pakistan built a real estate project...


shit on tejas all u want, but even if the project fails and not a single tejas is ever delivered, indians got something far more valuable. an actually viable aerospace industry, able to meet local needs.

 

[Vkdindian1]

Considering the experience I have had with some of these big names in plain procurement and joint partnerships. You may have to wait at the station a little longer since the Babudam is a cultural issue and NOT just a government issue.

Babudom can’t vanish in a few years.

These private companies may not move at the pace displayed by western or Chinese counterparts but would be definitely faster than our PSUs. The work culture in these PSUs is lowest of the lowest order.

This “Golden Age” may not be of world standard but likely to be compared to our very own one.

Searching for a silver line as an Indian. Fingers crossed.

 

[Vkdindian1]

IMHO proper way would had been to work on 3/3.5/4 gen TEJAS, have it operational in numbers, learn from the mistakes made during the project and built up on it, instead there seems to be a quest for launching projects left, right and center

There was never a dearth of resources but only political will. That is what plagued Tejas as well as Kaveri projects. It was never considered a national mission which it ought to be.

Multi pronged approach to put as many minds as possible into various aspects of aerospace designing that could yield results on multiple technologies, that could come in handy in any aircraft that is deemed worthy of being progressed further, may be the best path at this time.

Various private consortiums working independently could be the fastest way to reach where we want to be.

As brought out by @arslank01, Tejas may fail as a project but was able to create an environment that can’t be created by a shortcut. The lessons learnt from Tejas project are likely to be already employed on Tejas MK II and AMCA as well as many other smaller projects.