AMCA News and Discussion

[paindu]

Babudom can’t vanish in a few years.

These private companies may not move at the pace displayed by western or Chinese counterparts but would be definitely faster than our PSUs. The work culture in these PSUs is lowest of the lowest order.

Chinese are at different level bro, couple of years ago, did some white labelling for domestic products, and I was astounded by things they can do in no time, basically you ask them anything they'll get it done.

Indians should be inspired from them instead of labelling them copycats. I'm amazed how well their state-owned ecosystem works, have done significant consulting work for govt enterprises here in Australia & US, and red tape and sniping from various stakeholders is ever so present. Their automobile industry is churning out cars here in Australia like there is no tomorrow. I tip my hat to their industrial ecosystem.

Anyway, I'm digressing here so coming back to topic, you point is valid, hawkish PM like Modi have been only able to get less than 100 aircrafts in air since he became PM 11 years ago, it’s pretty sad to be honest.

 

[Vkdindian1]

Indians should be inspired from them instead of labelling them copycats.

It is only naive or uninformed, who have such ideas.
They have achieved leadership on all manufacturing. Even when they copy, they produce better than the original.

It would be folly to consider them anything less than the best.

They are running, while we have just started crawling.

I am happy even at this crawl, since, it is better than going in reverse, that we were doing for so many decades.

 

[harpy1]

What I hope to see on bug numbers and far quicker is Indian designed and built and mass produced Combat drones and loyal wing men

These things are achievable and much needed in future fifth generation war environment

If we can't get Amca in numbers by 2040

In the mean time I have envisaged
Tejas mark 1a prefers twin seater working with CATs warrior wing men to provide unmanned stealth capability between 2030-2040

Is this possible

Because my understanding is this is what the french are building with
Rafale F5 and Nueron wingman

Until their sixth generation fighter comes on board 2045

 

[harpy1]

What I hope to see on bug numbers and far quicker is Indian designed and built and mass produced Combat drones and loyal wing men

These things are achievable and much needed in future fifth generation war environment

If we can't get Amca in numbers by 2040

In the mean time I have envisaged
Tejas mark 1a prefers twin seater working with CATs warrior wing men to provide unmanned stealth capability between 2030-2040

Is this possible

Because my understanding is this is what the french are building with
Rafale F5 and Nueron wingman

Until their sixth generation fighter comes on board 2045

HAL’s Combat Air Teaming System Completed Crucial Test

Context: Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) has successfully conducted the engine ground run for its full-scale demonstrator of the Combat Air Teaming System.

www.studyiq.com

How soon is this viable

 

[panzerfaust 3]

I think having ingenious project is the right way to go but i think having ambitious scope of work will result (and have) in failure

IMHO proper way would had been to work on 3/3.5/4 gen TEJAS, have it operational in numbers, learn from the mistakes made during the project and built up on it, instead there seems to be a quest for launching projects left, right and center

this circus reminds me of Pakistani political scene, do a opening ceremony, put a name plate and that's the end of the project

You are absolutely correct
Right now you're talking about a country where the red tapism is causing the issues which the research and engineering have already resolved, there's hardly any issue with development
In 2019 Tejas mk2 was ready for prototyping stage so when did The CCS approval was secured ?- in 2023!!! and the funding was only cleared after one whole year in 2024!!!
and even after 6 years there no flying prototype!!!
Here we go again with AMCA, i am afraid that it's going to suffer a similar fate

 

[panzerfaust 3]

y

yeh but indians built an industry.

pakistan built a real estate project...


shit on tejas all u want, but even if the project fails and not a single tejas is ever delivered, indians got something far more valuable. an actually viable aerospace industry, able to meet local needs.

That's exactly how we console ourselves

 

[SABRE]

y

yeh but indians built an industry.

pakistan built a real estate project...


shit on tejas all u want, but even if the project fails and not a single tejas is ever delivered, indians got something far more valuable. an actually viable aerospace industry, able to meet local needs.

Too soon to use the word "viable." But, yes, India is in a better position than us in aviation and space (aerospace) by a huge margin. We started Project AZM and the irony of it is in the name. Azm = commitment = the one thing we didn't have going into the project. Whereas while Tejas appears virtually a failed project we have to give it to them for their commitment.

 

[CallSignMaverick]

Too soon to use the word "viable." But, yes, India is in a better position than us in aviation and space (aerospace) by a huge margin. We started Project AZM and the irony of it is in the name. Azm = commitment = the one thing we didn't have going into the project. Whereas while Tejas appears virtually a failed project we have to give it to them for their commitment.

Tejas isn't failed, it's just that our military has long been import addicted and known to give step-motherly treatment to own projects, for reasons best known to all. Even AMCA was treated as a backup when IAF was in Su-57 koolaid before withdrawing FGFA participation. It's now when they're getting a reality check of having very limited options the only option left is domestic MIC.

 

[Ak01]

Too soon to use the word "viable." But, yes, India is in a better position than us in aviation and space (aerospace) by a huge margin. We started Project AZM and the irony of it is in the name. Azm = commitment = the one thing we didn't have going into the project. Whereas while Tejas appears virtually a failed project we have to give it to them for their commitment.

i think there is no other word to use.

70% of the mki is locally sourcred

 

[CallSignMaverick]

i think there is no other word to use.

70% of the mki is locally sourcred

Would increase further with super sukhoi upgrades, with Indian radar, Indian wide area display (likely), Indian IRST sensor, Indian SPJ etc.

But the upgrades were delayed, due to which IAF didn't buy additional 72 offered by HAL and then ordered only 12 more last year.

 

[harpy1]

Just been hearing today that Indian Ministry of Defense is going cold on buying Su57e
Citing two reasons

Firstly they are saying until Ukraine war ends they will not buy the plane fearing USA Caatsa sanctions

The biggest worry being delays in delivery of USA engines for both Tejas and Amca in future

The second reason is Amca itself they are putting everything into building and inducting both Tejas and Amca

 

[CallSignMaverick]

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[mageera]

Just been hearing today that Indian Ministry of Defense is going cold on buying Su57e
Citing two reasons

Firstly they are saying until Ukraine war ends they will not buy the plane fearing USA Caatsa sanctions

The biggest worry being delays in delivery of USA engines for both Tejas and Amca in future

The second reason is Amca itself they are putting everything into building and inducting both Tejas and Amca

Only rumors, if india wants those jets , it will not think much about CAATSA

 

[Deino]

Just been hearing today that Indian Ministry of Defense is going cold on buying Su57e
Citing two reasons

Firstly they are saying until Ukraine war ends they will not buy the plane fearing USA Caatsa sanctions

The biggest worry being delays in delivery of USA engines for both Tejas and Amca in future

The second reason is Amca itself they are putting everything into building and inducting both Tejas and Amca

If India purchases Su-57 then it's the end of any future US purchases including the delivery of engines and even more technically - like France with the Rafale or with engines - there will never be a full ToT and in the end India remains behind, will me milked for additional decades and in the end won't be able to build a Su-57 on its own, just like the almost endless Su-30MKi saga,

So if India doesn't finally pull itself together, reflect, be patient (instead of constantly making stupid, boastful but completely unrealistic claims), invest a lot of money and work hard, nothing will happen and we will have to continue listening to such nonsense on social media and forums like this one, such as the Rafale being superior to any J-20, Tejas being the best of the best and eating up any J-10 for breakfast...

 

[harpy1]

If India purchases Su-57 then it's the end of any future US purchases including the delivery of engines and even more technically - like France with the Rafale or with engines - there will never be a full ToT and in the end India remains behind, will me milked for additional decades and in the end won't be able to build a Su-57 on its own, just like the almost endless Su-30MKi saga,

So if India doesn't finally pull itself together, reflect, be patient (instead of constantly making stupid, boastful but completely unrealistic claims), invest a lot of money and work hard, nothing will happen and we will have to continue listening to such nonsense on social media and forums like this one, such as the Rafale being superior to any J-20, Tejas being the best of the best and eating up any J-10 for breakfast...

I think as I suggested they are being sensible

No Su57E for now
And focus on Amca
Don't annoy USA too much