Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[BananaRepublic]

Wikipedia voted to keep the Iran war article as an Iranian victory permanently

This is astonishing that all anti-Iran western medias are all depicting Iran as the victor

Do the “US perspective” folks know?

Or are they still going to peddle alternative facts?

 

[tsunset]

Do the “US perspective” folks know?

Or are they still going to peddle alternative facts?

Iran won but at what price?

We lost hundreds of billions and thousands of innocent lives by these savages and their snakes accomplices

This is like a shark ripping the legs of a diver and tries to kill him but fails then the diver survives and says he won against the shark, sure but at what cost?

 

[Eşbah]

Mr. Dolan argues that the United States or the West has not abandoned Israel by emphasizing several points:

1. The current US policy towards Iran is historically aggressive, arguably the most forceful in 20 years, including multiple military actions against Iranian proxies and pressures on Iran's nuclear program.​

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2. Trump’s shift from war to peace talks is viewed as a tactical change, not capitulation. It reflects careful consideration of internal pressures such as public opinion, Congress, midterm elections, and military resource limits.​

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3. The situation in the Middle East has always involved limits on Western intervention; this is not a drastic change but a continuation of known patterns.​

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4. Despite some agreements that seem to favor Iran, such as reopening the Strait of Hormuz, the US has degraded Iran’s capabilities and set back its nuclear enrichment, showing an ongoing determination to defend its interests and Israel’s security.​

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5. The US and Israel still retain strong deterrent options and military answers to the Iranian threat.​

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6. Trump’s criticism of Netanyahu is consistent with his usual personal approach and transactional style of politics, not a sign of abandoning Israel.​

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7. The deal (MOU) with Iran is a tactical retreat that buys time and keeps options open for future American action rather than a surrender or betrayal of Israel.​

Overall, Dolan sees the situation as complex with no clear-cut abandonment, but as a strategic recalibration in an evolving conflict where both US and Israel continue to pursue their security objectives.
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This is the assessment of Michael Doran.
That is him: https://www.hudson.org/experts/1035-michael-doran

He is a pro-Israeli, pro-NATO Atlanticist, and a neoconservative but doesn't really like Trump. The reason I follow him is his perspective and stance on Turkey. He is one of the few neocons in the US Think Tank landscape who is generally pro-Turkish. His stance on the Middle East, however, is unwaveringly pro-Israel, but he remains very, very grounded in his geopolitical evaluations. He takes a highly realistic stance on the matter, and the statements above were articulated as a counterargument to Israeli nationalists who feel that the US has abandoned them.

 

[BananaRepublic]

Iran won but at what price?

We lost hundreds of billions and thousands of innocent lives by these savages and their snakes accomplices

This is like a shark ripping the legs of a diver and tries to kill him but fails then the diver survives and says he won against the shark, sure but at what cost?

If the diver prevents the shark from swimming in his water - gives space for his people to grow - eventually the people will kill the shark.

This war was about survival and denying the shark territory.

 

[tsunset]

The US pidgeons wants us to believe that the US won the war by sinking Dena in Sri Lanka and that the primary goal of the US was to defeat IRIN, not regime change or civil war

 

[BananaRepublic]

Mr. Dolan argues that the United States or the West has not abandoned Israel by emphasizing several points:

1. The current US policy towards Iran is historically aggressive, arguably the most forceful in 20 years, including multiple military actions against Iranian proxies and pressures on Iran's nuclear program.​

​

2. Trump’s shift from war to peace talks is viewed as a tactical change, not capitulation. It reflects careful consideration of internal pressures such as public opinion, Congress, midterm elections, and military resource limits.​

​

3. The situation in the Middle East has always involved limits on Western intervention; this is not a drastic change but a continuation of known patterns.​

​

4. Despite some agreements that seem to favor Iran, such as reopening the Strait of Hormuz, the US has degraded Iran’s capabilities and set back its nuclear enrichment, showing an ongoing determination to defend its interests and Israel’s security.​

​

5. The US and Israel still retain strong deterrent options and military answers to the Iranian threat.​

​

6. Trump’s criticism of Netanyahu is consistent with his usual personal approach and transactional style of politics, not a sign of abandoning Israel.​

​

7. The deal (MOU) with Iran is a tactical retreat that buys time and keeps options open for future American action rather than a surrender or betrayal of Israel.​

Overall, Dolan sees the situation as complex with no clear-cut abandonment, but as a strategic recalibration in an evolving conflict where both US and Israel continue to pursue their security objectives.
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This is the assessment of Michael Doran.
That is him: https://www.hudson.org/experts/1035-michael-doran

He is a pro-Israeli, pro-NATO Atlanticist, and a neoconservative but doesn't really like Trump. The reason I follow him is his perspective and stance on Turkey. He is one of the few neocons in the US Think Tank landscape who is generally pro-Turkish. His stance on the Middle East, however, is unwaveringly pro-Israel, but he remains very, very grounded in his geopolitical evaluations. He takes a highly realistic stance on the matter, and the statements above were articulated as a counterargument to Israeli nationalists who feel that the US has abandoned them.

Second rate analysis - predicated on the stupid belief that Iran wants to challenge USA militarily or economically.

Hence the stupid point over nuclear enrichment.

All Iran wants is to be left alone.

Iran has now set a steep price for US meddling in its internal affairs.

US voters aren’t prepared to pay the price of interfering in Iranian affairs.

Because it doesn’t directly benefit US population.

Iran’s gain will last because it’s not at the cost to the US population - hence US population will not be prepared to pay the price.

 

[fitpOsitive]

Dear Iran, USA will come back to bomb you again. Most probably after the murder of Mr Trump. Next president which will assume within days of removal of Trump will send forces straight to you. So keep bombing Israel, specially destroy their aerial capabilities ( bases and ports) , destroy their water sources. I mean whatever you can before USA launches it's full power on you ( you might not survive that). Keep Persian Gulf open, and keep pounding Israel.

After Iran is flattened, it will turn on Pakistan. Pakistan better hide some of its capabilities, in case the major capabilities are neutralized by Israel. Pakistan should already pin point the Targets within Israel which will cripple all defenses of Israel and will give a chance to neighbors to finish the job.

Listen both Iran and Pakistan, next 4 to 5 months will be decisive for both of you.

 

[Viet]

Wikipedia voted to keep the Iran war article as an Iranian victory permanently

This is astonishing that all anti-Iran western medias are all depicting Iran as the victor

Iran wins the war, that’s the most consensus in Europe. Trump crashes down to earth with a humiliation surrender. That’s shocking for Europe.

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[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

I have no idea why we should meet in Switzerland anyway. What's wrong with Islamabad or Oman? Both of these places are safer for our delegation than Switzerland, which requires us to cross multiple European airspaces.

Custodial chain... who's talking to whom... how's the power structure arranged... where does the chain end. What if you rearrange the deck... which parts move... it exposes the inner workings.

A drawback for smaller nations is their inept, adrift or meandering bureaucracy. Orange sends his two cronies that are literally stonewallers and ideologically motivated. Whereas Iran's bureaucracy lits up nodes... names, locations, positions...
Weaknesses and weaklings.

This isn't done yet.

 

[PK781]

Yeah, you can go kiss as hard as you want on the Japs of your country now, but China will absolutely crush it with no mercy this time with all the sanctions in place, no matter how unhappy you are. No, China is in no way begging you to buy Chinese junks, so buzz off.

i don't think he has much of understanding of real geopolitics and all the players. He's got much to learn it seems on the mighty game of chess.

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

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Arabs pay for a guardian angel running a protection racket. Pay and get bombed regardless and get bombed you for mere US presence... and if you don't pay guardian angle gets to bomb you and take whatever you got regardless... now protect my bases ... I got a demon to raise.

 

[Meengla]

US desperately needs a deal.
That cannot happen if Iran is continually burying its negotiators.
Even Israel knows the US red lines.
Trump is extremely volatile.
He could do anything to Israel. Jews really don’t want to find out.
If Trump removed air defence from Israel - it wouldn’t survive 48 hours.

I think Israelis have even cursed Jared Kushner in last few days for not standing up for Israel as a fellow Jew.
But ultimately the family ties, the personal biases, and even personal monetary gains can't over ride larger American interests in the region. And the American interests lie in exiting from this war.
I believe the Americans are going back to the Obama policy in the Middle East: Pivot to the Pacific along with the Monroe Doctrine. The Middle East is becoming some dwindling returns environment. Too bad for Israel though.

 

[mangekyo]

We didn't settle our score with the West, we surrendered to an unfair deal that benefitted the Europeans, mainly France, Germany and Italy, for the most part. The JCPOA was a mistake, it put Iran in a much weaker position than before, encouraging the idea that Iran cannot stand against the US, but if we survive this war and we prove we can defend ourselves against the US militarily, we will be in a stronger position.

The Americans are not going to rise up and take care of their corrupt government. The situation in the United States is bound to get worse, regardless of what Iran does. I remember somebody said that the French revolution started because 20% of the wealth was controlled by less than 1% of the population. More than 30% of the wealth in the US is controlled by less than 5% of the people and average Americans live paycheck to paycheck but nobody is doing anything about it except for some Gen-Z rants on the internet.

The US foreign policy is controlled by Israel. Defeating the US military won’t do anything unless the people revolt and cut off Israel’s influence.

 

[tsunset]

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[ShapurII]

The US foreign policy is controlled by Israel. Defeating the US military won’t do anything unless the people revolt and cut off Israel’s influence.

I think the influence of Israel over the US politics has been exaggerated to some extent.
The US allows Israel to do what it wants to do because the US wants to maintain order and the status quo in the region, not the other way around. Israel has successfully suppressed every resistance movement in the region for decades. Without Israel, the US would've been dragged into perpetual wars in the Middle East to control the resources of our region. There's no doubt that this is a win-win situation for both the US and Israel.

Sure, Jewish billionaires buy politicians in the US, and they control the media, Hollywood, banking, financial systems, etc. but at the end of the day, the people who are in actual control of the US as a whole are Americans of European origin, mainly WASPs.