Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

ShapurII said:
Yes, exactly. The Europeans have the required reputation to create their own system for the EU countries at least, but I doubt it would extend to non-EU countries anytime soon. The BRICS has tried to create such an interbank system but it hasn't happened yet, due to lack of political will as you said.

Yes, if I'm not mistaken, Iran tried to integrate with UnionPay as well, but China wasn't interested, probably because of the US sanctions. But Iranian ATMs accept Russian MIR cards now. Iran's SHETAB cards are now accepted in Russian ATMs as well. I think Iran is also in talks with Belarus to do the same.

Iran has multiple payment systems. For ATMs, it's called SHETAB, which is an acronym but it is also the literal word for 'acceleration' in Persian. It is the fastest payment method in Iran and transactions are processed immediately and it works 24/7. All debit cards issued by banks in Iran are connected to SHETAB by default.

We have other systems for larger amounts of money called PAYA and SATNA. Their transactions are processed in prescheduled intervals. There is also another payment system called POL, which is like SHETAB but it's used for larger amounts of money and only some Iranian banks support it.

These are the major level-0 systems in Iran, but several payment gateways offer different functionalities based on these systems, which are indirectly controlled by the Central Bank of Iran. The payment gateways have their own APIs for other websites. Sort of like Stripe.
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I think EU system wont never be extended, because EU take USA orders.

In one decade maybe whole world will be using Chinese payment systems.

China is shy and subtle.

e-CNY app (electronic renminbi) seems to was available outside China when they launched 2 years ago, but currently it's only available to use in China in "Pilot mode". They are doing tests, tries. They must know very well how bad USA can take that. But definitely they are moving in that direction.

Here in Spain you can see UnionPay cards accepted in a lot of stores/atm, more than 90% supported, and almost nobody knows what is UnionPay, because Spanish banks dont give UnionPay cards, it's only for the 300k people of Chinese diaspora in Spain.

Interesting to know Russia/Iran have reciprocal agreements about MIR and Shetab. But just three countries couldn't change the world. I dont think it would be possible in BRICS neither. But China will change the world, someday.
 
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It is remarkable how good Pakistan’s diplomacy has been, seeing how the sworn enemies (the Iranian regime and the Trump administration) trust Pakistan so much, and neither party views Pakistan’s closeness to the other side with suspicion.

That is a remarkable feat.

Compare that to times from the Musharraf era, Zardari, Nawaz Sharif, Imran Khan eras; where Pakistan was accused by the West of supporting the Taliban and playing a double game with the US. This was the time when India had managed to isolate us to some degree in the international arena.

Pakistani leaders hug both the Trump administration people and the Iranian government officials, no issues. Pakistan hosts the US and Iran on its soil. Now Masood Pezeshkian lands in Pakistan. Great diplomacy, and it has left India isolated and frustrated at the world stage.
 
unconventional said:
It is remarkable how good Pakistan’s diplomacy has been, seeing how the sworn enemies (the Iranian regime and the Trump administration) trust Pakistan so much, and neither party views Pakistan’s closeness to the other side with suspicion.

That is a remarkable feat.

Compare that to times from the Musharraf era, Zardari, Nawaz Sharif, Imran Khan eras; where Pakistan was accused by the West of supporting the Taliban and playing a double game with the US. This was the time when India had managed to isolate us to some degree in the international arena.

Pakistani leaders hug both the Trump administration people and the Iranian government officials, no issues. Pakistan hosts the US and Iran on its soil. Now Masood Pezeshkian lands in Pakistan. Great diplomacy, and it has left India isolated and frustrated at the world stage.
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The real concern is WHY are India so obstructive in this scenario? Put the rivalry to one side, why are they so mentally immature as a race that they feel a need to sabotage a process that would actually be beneficial for them? How can a race despise another so much that they will punch themselves in the testicles repeatedly, in the miserable hope that one single punch might somehow connect with the Pakistani quietly standing next to them?
 
unconventional said:
It is remarkable how good Pakistan’s diplomacy has been, seeing how the sworn enemies (the Iranian regime and the Trump administration) trust Pakistan so much, and neither party views Pakistan’s closeness to the other side with suspicion.

That is a remarkable feat.

Compare that to times from the Musharraf era, Zardari, Nawaz Sharif, Imran Khan eras; where Pakistan was accused by the West of supporting the Taliban and playing a double game with the US. This was the time when India had managed to isolate us to some degree in the international arena.

Pakistani leaders hug both the Trump administration people and the Iranian government officials, no issues. Pakistan hosts the US and Iran on its soil. Now Masood Pezeshkian lands in Pakistan. Great diplomacy, and it has left India isolated and frustrated at the world stage.
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Honestly we played a blinder but at the same time I think we partly benefit from some disasterous missteps by India

On paper India should have played the role of mediator. Large importer of oil/LNG, biggest navy in the region by far, US strategic ally, and investor in Iran's Chahbar port. They f**ked it all up massively

1) Pissing off Trump after May 7th last year
2) Spying on the Qatari sub programme for Israel
3) Visiting Israel 2 days prior to attack and all the "Motherland" "Fatherland" BS
4) Siding so closely with UAE

A 12 year old could have been more deft at diplomacy here. All of the above managed to piss off the US, Iranians, Saudis and Qataris all at once. That actually takes some doing.

Amazed Jaishanker still has a job but guess Modi wants to keep him close by as he is a potential rival for BJP Leadership
 
Yasser76 said:
Honestly we played a blinder but at the same time I think we partly benefit from some disasterous missteps by India

On paper India should have played the role of mediator. Large importer of oil/LNG, biggest navy in the region by far, US strategic ally, and investor in Iran's Chahbar port. They f**ked it all up massively

1) Pissing off Trump after May 7th last year
2) Spying on the Qatari sub programme for Israel
3) Visiting Israel 2 days prior to attack and all the "Motherland" "Fatherland" BS
4) Siding so closely with UAE

A 12 year old could have been more deft at diplomacy here. All of the above managed to piss off the US, Iranians, Saudis and Qataris all at once. That actually takes some doing.

Amazed Jaishanker still has a job but guess Modi wants to keep him close by as he is a potential rival for BJP Leadership
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Great points!

At the same time, India probably assumed Israel-US would have a simple walkover in this conflict.

Indians are quite naturally in a state of perpetual denial that any Persian (or Persianised) regional power can actually go toe to toe with any opponent in the world. They would know better if they didn't delete Mughal history from their school books.
 
Master Chief said:
He's a freeloading punk who behaves like a simple opportunist. He is only changing his tune because Iran and Hezb are winning. Nothing remotely intelligent about him.
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Well, as someone who was very skeptical of him before, and viewed him as a hardcore, irredeemable militant (due to his previous leadership roles in AQI, ISIS and Al Nusra); I think my opinion of him has shifted a bit.

This is my new view of him.

I think he wants to be in Trump’s good books. I also think he is “controlled” by the Turks.

He knows that Syria faces many challenges, economic, political and security related. His country has issues of territorial integrity, with the Israelis occupying large swathes of south western Syria; and then challenges from the SDF as well. Despite trying to be in Trump’s good books, Syria economically is still in dire straits.

In this situation, it would be very difficult starting a direct military conflict against Hezbollah in Lebanon. Iran might have also opened up some unofficial channels with Syria via Turkey, to smuggle some arms into Lebanon (Hezbollah) via Syria in exchange of Iranian money (or other arrangements).

So my updated view is that he on a personal level might not be the ideologue that I thought he was, which is a good thing. Some people who work under him in his regime might be repressive within their own country, but for now, he personally seems to be in control in Syria.

He is most definitely an opportunist, but in politics, I think you expect opportunism as a norm from everyone. It’s just the nature of politics. It will be interesting to see what role he plays if Trump convinces him to tackle Hezbollah, and asks Israel to wind down its operations in Lebanon.
 
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Master Chief said:
Great points!

At the same time, India probably assumed Israel-US would have a simple walkover in this conflict.

Indians are quite naturally in a state of perpetual denial that any Persian (or Persianised) regional power can actually go toe to toe with any opponent in the world. They would know better if they didn't delete Mughal history from their school books.
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Yup, crazy thing is out of pure hate for Pakistan they are happy to spite themselves. It is insane. Pak diplomacy means cheaper oil in India, we could happilly open our air space and let Air India fly over, with Iran oil sanctions lifted cheaper oil and gas can go through pipeline from Iran to India via Pakistan. Instead of grabbing these opportunities what do they do?

Threaten to cut of water to Pak.

Honestly, will never understand their mentality. The more I think about it of they were not a Hindu country and they were Muslim or Chinese they would act more rationally
 
unconventional said:
Well, as someone who was very skeptical of him before, and viewed him as a hardcore, irredeemable militant (due to his previous leadership roles in AQI, ISIS and Al Nusra); I think my opinion of him has shifted a bit.

This is my new view of him.

I think he wants to be in Trump’s good books. I also think he is “controlled” by the Turks.

He knows that Syria faces many challenges, economic, political and security related. His country has issues of territorial integrity, with the Israelis occupying large swathes of south western Syria; and then challenges from the SDF as well. Despite trying to be in Trump’s good books, Syria economically is still in dire straits.

In this situation, it would be very difficult starting a direct military conflict against Hezbollah in Lebanon. Iran might have also opened up some unofficial channels with Syria via Turkey, to smuggle some arms into Lebanon (Hezbollah) via Syria in exchange of Iranian money (or other arrangements).

So my updated view is that he on a personal level might not be the ideologue that I thought he was, which is a good thing. Some people who work under him in his regime might be repressive within their own country, but for now, he personally seems to be in control in Syria.

He might definitely be an opportunist, but in politics, I think you expect opportunism as a norm from everyone. It’s just the nature of politics. It will be interesting to see what role he plays if Trump convinces him to tackle Hezbollah, and asks Israel to wind down its operations in Lebanon.
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Nothing you've said here contradicts what I said about him. He's a sly and opportunistic weasel, as many "Islamist messiahs" are. He is no different in his opportunism to the Kurds or the Pahlavists.

Such people don't build empires for the benefit of their subjects but instead fleece everyone they can for their own personal gain.
 
BHAN85 said:
I think EU system wont never be extended, because EU take USA orders. ...
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EU countries has all the European countries as members that want to be part of the EU system.

It's not a demand or request on any European country to join the block.

BHAN85 said:
In one decade maybe whole world will be using Chinese payment systems. ...
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No chance.

Chinese payment system still relies on SWIFT.

The non-Western world can only breakaway from the Western financial systems if they have a secure messaging service like SWIFT.

Most people are under the impression that China's CIPS is that system that could replace SWIFT. However, CIPS is mainly used for clearing payments in Chinese currency and not dollar payments.

China's CIPS and Russia's SPFS are the only two partial alternatives to SWIFT, while a full replacement to SWIFT does not exist.
 
Yasser76 said:
Honestly, will never understand their mentality. The more I think about it of they were not a Hindu country and they were Muslim or Chinese they would act more rationally
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Not sure about that, look at how the Taliban in Afghanistan are behaving right now.
 
Master Chief said:
Nothing you've said here contradicts what I said about him. He's a sly and opportunistic weasel, as many "Islamist messiahs" are. He is no different in his opportunism to the Kurds or the Pahlavists.

Such people don't build empires for the benefit of their subjects but instead fleece everyone they can for their own personal gain.
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I guess what I’m saying is that I don’t think I’m looking to contradict your post.

But I am trying to provide a more nuanced position of who he is.

I’m glad he is an opportunist, because it is better than having an opportunist at the helm than a hardcore sectarian ideologue.

It means you cannot trust him about anything, but you can most certainly bribe him to work with you.
 
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