Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[IceCold]

No disrespect to people from Turkey or Pakistan here, but I said from the very beginning of the war that the Pakistani system could not be trusted and they weren't friendly towards Iran.

Yeah, why not ask your government first how friendly and cooperative Pakistan has been to Iran since the war.

 

[Eşbah]

Kurdish separatism is the biggest threat to Iran and the Western Asia. If it were up to me, Kurdish separatists wouldn't sleep one night without getting their nightly dose of missiles and drones.

As you may be aware, I hold your opinion in high regard. Given your statements, could you clarify why the leadership of IRI chose not to support Turkey in its regional battle against Kurdish terrorism? There was a period in the past, prior to Turkey's advancements in defense technology, when Ankara nearly implored Tehran for collaborative cross-border operations against these groups.

They were ready to form mixed battlegroups and share military command to combat PKK and PJAK. Instead, IRI opted to tolerate, and at times even assist, these groups in their opposition to Turkey.

You know, currently, the relationship between Iran and Turkey increasingly mirrors that of China and Russia in some ways. The era of Soviet dominance over China or the Shah's military deterrence against Turkey has faded away. Not because Turkey is so incredibly smart or eloquent but because of incomprehensible policy decisions made by Iran in the past.

However, a Turkish attack on Iran is unimaginable. The public would not tolerate this AT ALL; even if Saudi Arabia is attacked by Iran. Remember, Turkey didn't come to Qatar's aid even though a similar defense agreement exists already. The Qataris being on the attacking USA camp was reason enough to not get involved. Yes, they tested a few Turkish AD systems in Doha but that was very limited and not worth mentioning.

Let's not forget that Turkey paved the way for attacking Iran by overthrowing Assad, which happened behind the scenes with the blessing of Russia. Soon, Turkey and Saudi Arabia will interfere in Lebanon and Iraq as well. Iran should be wise and make the right decision before it loses even more of its cards in the region.

I am pleased that you recognize Russia's involvement in this situation unlike many, many Iranians. However, it is important to note that Turkey was fully prepared to collaborate and share influence & power in Syria with Iran up until the end. It was pro-Russian Assad himself, who, like his pro-Soviet father, chose to disregard Iran's counsel. Have you ever considered why Iran's reaction to Turkey removing Assad was virtually absent?

Have you already forgotten how Iran publicly criticised Assad's refusal to meet Erdoğan? How Tehran tried to remove Assad at least two times that we know of?

Credible Turkish sources state that Ankara's proposal to Tehran was sincere, and they did not anticipate that Assad would collapse so fast.

There is a reason the Assad family has chosen to reside in Moscow rather than Tehran.

 

[krash]

And - how has Pakistan "betrayed" Iran in your eyes?

Didn't you hear? Pakistan has not aligned itself with every Iranian interest or the infantile hissy fits of the Iranians here. Pakistan obviously should've played into their fantasies that the world revolves around them.

 

[ShapurII]

Yeah, Keep dreaming!!!

Funny how you guys are the ones dreaming now. Just 5 months ago, I remember how you guys said after Khamenei, the IRGC would be in control of Iran. I imagine it must be such a disappointment that reformists, in their most radical pro-West form, are in power now and Iran is negotiating with the US every day of the week.

He slips it in so casual!

No need to "slip it in". I will say it loudly and proudly: Iran must dump Arabs, either it will or it will be forced to do so as we are seeing right now, and then mend its ties with the United States before it's too late. Since the US will not accept to restore ties with Iran without some level of normalization with Israel, Iran must normalize its relations with Israel even if it's covertly, like every other country in the region. Nothing to slip in, I will reiterate it every time with great pride.

 

[Feroze]

Because Pakistan has not aligned itself with every Iranian interest or the infantile hissy fits of the Iranians here. Pakistan obviously should've played into their fantasies that the world revolves around them.

I thought it was Iran that had betrayed Pakistan many times.

Pakistan almost gave Iran nuclear weapons, BUT as usual the Iranians tattle tailed on us. lol.

 

[ShapurII]

Yeah, why not ask your government first how friendly and cooperative Pakistan has been to Iran since the war.

Which one? There's no unified voice in Iran. All I know is that the Pakistan-mediated ceasefire and MoU turned out to be extremely bad for Iran and Pakistan, since then, has been getting closer to countries in open war with us.

As you may be aware, I hold your opinion in high regard. Given your statements, could you clarify why the leadership of IRI chose not to support Turkey in its regional battle against Kurdish terrorism? There was a period in the past, prior to Turkey's advancements in defense technology, when Ankara nearly implored Tehran for collaborative cross-border operations against these groups.

They were ready to form mixed battlegroups and share military command to combat PKK and PJAK. Instead, IRI opted to tolerate, and at times even assist, these groups in their opposition to Turkey.

You know, currently, the relationship between Iran and Turkey increasingly mirrors that of China and Russia in some ways. The era of Soviet dominance over China or the Shah's military deterrence against Turkey has faded away. Not because Turkey is so incredibly smart or eloquent but because of incomprehensible policy decisions made by Iran in the past.

However, a Turkish attack on Iran is unimaginable. The public would not tolerate this AT ALL; even if Saudi Arabia is attacked by Iran. Remember, Turkey didn't come to Qatar's aid even though a similar defense agreement exists already. The Qataris being on the attacking USA camp was reason enough to not get involved. Yes, they tested a few Turkish AD systems in Doha but that was very limited and not worth mentioning.



I am pleased that you recognize Russia's involvement in this situation unlike many, many Iranians. However, it is important to note that Turkey was fully prepared to collaborate and share influence & power in Syria with Iran up until the end. It was pro-Russian Assad himself, who, like his pro-Soviet father, chose to disregard Iran's counsel. Have you ever considered why Iran's reaction to Turkey removing Assad was virtually absent?

Have you already forgotten how Iran publicly criticised Assad's refusal to meet Erdoğan? How Tehran tried to remove Assad at least two times that we know of?

Credible Turkish sources state that Ankara's proposal to Tehran was sincere, and they did not anticipate that Assad would collapse so fast.

There is a reason the Assad family has chosen to reside in Moscow rather than Tehran.

I will answer this one in a couple of hours, my friend.

 

[Desert]

Pakistan should nominate Trump for the Nobel Peace prize a few more times!

and Sisi should host the ceremony

 

[krash]

Which one? There's no unified voice in Iran. All I know is that the Pakistan-mediated ceasefire and MoU turned out to be extremely bad for Iran and Pakistan, since then, has been getting closer to countries in open war with us.

Yeah, the same MOU the lot of you were waving as an absolute win over the US. Might also want to google the term "open war".

Pakistan has been close to those countries since before you decided to be enemies with them. You and Iran do not factor into our equations nearly as much as you want to.

 

[ShapurII]

Yeah, the same MOU the lot of you were waving as an absolute win over the US. Might also want to google the term "open war".

Pakistan has been close to those countries since before you decided to be enemies with them. You and Iran do not factor into our equations nearly as much as you want to be.

You're barking up the wrong tree. My posts are still there. I believed the MoU to be a total disaster for Iran. An absolute win? What a stupid comment. So, next time you write something stupid like that, do a bit of research to see who you are talking to and what his ideas are, because what you're attributing to me by saying "the lot of you" is absolutely 180 degrees different from what I said.

Pakistan does not factor into our equations either. You guys love to be factored in, we do not even care about your existence to be honest. Before I joined PDF, I didn't even know what language or languages were spoken in Pakistan, let alone knowing that your national anthem is in our language.

Open war as defined by Thesaurus:
A state of armed conflict between states, irrespective of a declaration of war.

Here's your daily dose of education you need, by the way. Kuwait has not declared war on Iran, but its territory has been used to attack Iran multiple times directly. The same goes for Saudi airspace. Learn something.

 

[Watandar]

Yeah, the same MOU the lot of you were waving as an absolute win over the US. Might also want to google the term "open war".

Pakistan has been close to those countries since before you decided to be enemies with them. You and Iran do not factor into our equations nearly as much as you want to be.

It's the same old Pakistan with the same old mercenary mindset, working for the same American and rich Arab employers. A very simple equation.

Some fools think renting your country out is "national interest".

 

[ShapurII]

Who I'm talking to is a nobody who throws childish tantrums and fowl language at every opposing view because he was not afforded a decent education or upbringing, and probably has a miserable existence as an outcast with little to no self-worth which he then tries to cope with on internet forums by pretending to be bigger than he can ever dream to be. Also shows why you don't know the meaning of the simple phrase "the lot of you" or the context it was used in. You'd be better served not exposing your worth on an open forum so readily.

And yet, you're the one throwing childish tantrums and sound extremely butthurt, which is not surprising considering you got so badly humiliated and defeated after getting an answer you couldn't argue against rationally.

You need to get educated because you obviously come from a background of low education. I hope Thesaurus did give you some education you needed. At least next time you know what 'open war' means before humiliating your worthless being further.

Yeah, you've only been ripping your clothes off about what does or does not do for everyone else's benefit.

Yet, you were the ones who tried to broadcast Islamabad Accords as some sort of super important international event to feel some sort of relevance, thanks to Iran. People actually laughed at your banners. It was just a meeting and you treated it as some source of national pride lol It was the most pathetic thing I had seen in the last decade, you guys celebrating it with pride like it mattered lol

 

[krash]

And yet, you're the one throwing childish tantrums and sound extremely butthurt, which is not surprising considering you got so badly humiliated and defeated after getting an answer you couldn't argue against rationally.

If you say so.

You need to get educated because you obviously come from a background of low education. I hope Thesaurus did give you some education you needed. At least next time you know what 'open war' means before humiliating your worthless being further.

"Me? No you". Epic come back, buddy.

Doubling down on open war, after your own definition does not meet this conflict vis a vis Saudi Arabia? Solid strategy.

Yet, you were the ones who tried to broadcast Islamabad Accords as some sort of global international event to feel some sort of relevance thanks to Iran. People actually laughed at your banners. It was just a meeting and you treated it as some source of national pride lol

Yeah, the Pakistani networks such as CNN, BBC, and Al-Jazeera broadcasted it as such everywhere. We were so desperate for it that we even escorted your people back to Iran. Thank Iran from us for that. As we all know it's Pakistan who is otherwise completely isolated in the world. Might also want to thank those Iranians waving Pakistani flags in Iran after the fact.

 

[ShapurII]

Yeah, the Pakistani networks such as CNN, BBC, Al-Jazeera broadcasted it as such everywhere. Thank Iran from us for that relevance. As we all know it's Pakistan who is otherwise completely isolated in the world. Might also want to thank those Iranians waving Pakistani flags in Iran after the fact.

You're the one who thinks being on CNN, BBC and Al-Jazeera matters because you lack real reasons for being proud of your country. Iran is isolated because of the wrong policies by the Islamic Republic, but at least the Iranians know how to be proud of Iran without resorting to the celebration of such ridiculous political events for finding a reason for national pride. A normal country does not celebrate a meeting like that as if it were some sort of historic event, particularly a meeting of such low importance that wouldn't even be mentioned 2 years later, let alone 20 years later.

I can assure you 100% that the number of Iranians that have ever waved a Pakistani flag is not even one tenth of Pakistanis that have waved our flag. Maybe not even 1%

 

[ShapurII]

"Me? No you". Epic come back, buddy.

Doubling down on open war, after your own definition does not meet this conflict vis a vis Saudi Arabia? Solid strategy.

It does actually. I am not responsible for your comprehension issues. Saudi Arabia has actively allowed the USAF to use their air space for launching attacks on Iran, lobbing missiles at us, and yet Saudi Arabia has never declared war on Iran. That does fit the definition. And the US has fired HIMARS from Kuwaiti territory on Iran.

I thought your problem was that you didn't know the definition. I didn't know even if I gave you the definition from a dictionary, you still wouldn't be able to get it

 

[Immortals]

Pakistan and Turkey right now: