1st HANGOR Class Submarine of Pakistan Navy has been launched at Shuangliu

[Sparten]

I agree. IMO Pakistan can contribute significantly towards miniature reactor technology (via the work done at PAEC). However, the recurring problems of missing funds (siphoned to repay interest on government debt), compromised agency at every level, and spreading inertia in leaders and decision-makers will dampen our efforts.

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The issue isn't making the reactor, PAEC could probably design and build one in 2years. Miniature reactor technology can be had by the simple expedient of using HEU as fuel.
That would incidentally eliminate the Turks from being able to participate due to proliferation concerns.
The biggest issue would be noise for the feed pump and the gearings. That would be tolerable for a SSBN. Which can accept reduction in performance to reduce noise. Such as setting up a turbo-electric drive, reduced speed, as it will always try and stay away from enemy forces.
For an SSN/SSGN, which have to close with enemey vessels, fatal.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Mostly India develop its nuclear submarine technology/doctrine by themselves by using soviet/Russian akula class submarines that leased by India

Thousands of russian engineers and scientists have worked on Indian nuclear submarine project. And indians sunk it..

 

[Zarvan]

Stop saying this. It's not true.

If this was true PAF would have gotten PL-15s, not PL-15Es. PAF would have also bought a batch of J-20s by now.

Seriously, stop spreading this misinformation.

China has no issue in selling you nuclear submarines. They have actually offered them in the past. Question is do you want a submarine which carries ballistic missiles because as of now China doesn't have a nuclear submarine which has VLS to carry cruise missiles. China has offered you nuclear subs even when you were looking to buy Type 39.

 

[MastanKhan]

Masha'Allah beautiful news.

Pakistan's first brand new submarine in 30 years. Last purchase was in 1994 of Agosta 90B.

Hi,

Those augusta 90b's are brand new as well---.

 

[MastanKhan]

Thousands of russian engineers and scientists have worked on Indian nuclear submarine project. And indians sunk it..

Hi,

What if the 'hated' neighbor was responsible for it.

 

[arslank01]

China has no issue in selling you nuclear submarines. They have actually offered them in the past. Question is do you want a submarine which carries ballistic missiles because as of now China doesn't have a nuclear submarine which has VLS to carry cruise missiles. China has offered you nuclear subs even when you were looking to buy Type 39.

lol- china offered a lease of the han class during benazirs time, that too was such a poor excuse of a nuke boat that it had no actual use other than one as a training platform. Zarvan, can you actually provide any inkling of evidence that the Chinese are willing to sell us anything and everything? From their own mothers to J-20s?

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

" Sell us anything "---we are not that kind of buyer---.

Our priority is to what we can assimilate, use, service and absorb in our system TODAY to the best of our abilities.

Tomorrow's purchases are left to the future needs---.

 

[Falcon26]

I agree. IMO Pakistan can contribute significantly towards miniature reactor technology (via the work done at PAEC). However, the recurring problems of missing funds (siphoned to repay interest on government debt), compromised agency at every level, and spreading inertia in leaders and decision-makers will dampen our efforts.

So in your view, Pakistan already has the technical know how to manufacture a miniature nuclear reactor to power a submarine?

 

[ali_raza]

So in your view, Pakistan already has the technical know how to manufacture a miniature nuclear reactor to power a submarine?

been there done that

 

[Quwa]

So in your view, Pakistan already has the technical know how to manufacture a miniature nuclear reactor to power a submarine?

Yep ... or at least the requisite infrastructure, personnel, and prior knowledge to develop one if given the consistent funding. Likewise for overcoming the technical challenges of integrating a miniature reactor into a submarine design. The issue is leadership (or lack thereof), financial constraints, and lack of ambition to shape external realities.

 

[Zarvan]

lol- china offered a lease of the han class during benazirs time, that too was such a poor excuse of a nuke boat that it had no actual use other than one as a training platform. Zarvan, can you actually provide any inkling of evidence that the Chinese are willing to sell us anything and everything? From their own mothers to J-20s?

I never said everything but nuclear submarines are offered several times. Issue is first Chinese ones were not that good but now their SSBN are almost there but still they don't have VLS equipped nuclear submarines for cruise missiles

 

[FuturePAF]

China has no issue in selling you nuclear submarines. They have actually offered them in the past. Question is do you want a submarine which carries ballistic missiles because as of now China doesn't have a nuclear submarine which has VLS to carry cruise missiles. China has offered you nuclear subs even when you were looking to buy Type 39.

It is estimated China is building 2-3 Type 093B a year at the moment. These have VLS.

China launches second possible Type 093B hull

China launched the eighth Type 093 Shang-class nuclear-powered attack submarine (SSN) at Huludao shipyard in northern China between 13 and 18 January 2023. This is the...

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[NGAD IS THE BEST]

Not want to indulge in any long debate. Always willing to learn from every one. but i want to ask how many SLBM are intercepted in full fledge war between to armies having nearly similar capabilities. As war as hunter killer submarines what are tactics about. if your adversary has better equipment or tech you develop tactics to beat it or bring the same equipment or tech to restore the balance of power. you make sure enemies does not deter from your ambition and you deliver your task/mission atleast on same level if not more.

Bro I'm not knowing anything about submarines tactics but I know one thing ballistic missiles have extremely large RCS (radar cross-section) and IR (infrared) signature compared to cruise missiles can be detected by Indian greenpine and other long range radars upon launch and throughout flight, India has mid-course ABM system which can intercept MRBMs during mid-phase of flight before separation of its warheads, and conventional ballistic missiles trajectories can be predicted pretty easily and hence interception by ABM systems unless we develop some kinds of maneuvering warheads or boost glide vehicles to counter Indian ABM system, I think boost glide vehicles works not very well on MRBMs so we chose MIRV to overwhelm Indian ABM system but they have multiple layers of ABM systems to counter Pakistani and Chinese ballistic missiles threats but MIRV trajectory is same as conventional ballistic missiles trajectories hence can be easily intercepted

And last their should be no tit for tat move by Pakistan if India is developing SSBN and SLBM so Pakistan must develop the same capability to counter India, this wouldn't be the answer, Pakistan will come out of box thinking to counter this threat,

SLCM is the answer, they are slow but they have very low RCS and IR signature and terrain hugging capability as compare to ballistic missiles hence the chances of being detected and interceptions are much less than ballistic missiles

 

[Muji.Iqbal]

Hi,

Those augusta 90b's are brand new as well---.

The French gave Transfer of Technology for those Agosta-90B submarines.
Lets hope China gives Transfer of Technology for its diesel electric submarines at the least.

 

[Sparten]

Bro I'm not knowing anything about submarines tactics but I know one thing ballistic missiles have extremely large RCS (radar cross-section) and IR (infrared) signature compared to cruise missiles can be detected by Indian greenpine and other long range radars upon launch and throughout flight, India has mid-course ABM system which can intercept MRBMs during mid-phase of flight before separation of its warheads, and conventional ballistic missiles trajectories can be predicted pretty easily and hence interception by ABM systems unless we develop some kinds of maneuvering warheads or boost glide vehicles to counter Indian ABM system, I think boost glide vehicles works not very well on MRBMs so we chose MIRV to overwhelm Indian ABM system but they have multiple layers of ABM systems to counter Pakistani and Chinese ballistic missiles threats but MIRV trajectory is same as conventional ballistic missiles trajectories hence can be easily intercepted

And last their should be no tit for tat move by Pakistan if India is developing SSBN and SLBM so Pakistan must develop the same capability to counter India, this wouldn't be the answer, Pakistan will come out of box thinking to counter this threat,

SLCM is the answer, they are slow but they have very low RCS and IR signature and terrain hugging capability as compare to ballistic missiles hence the chances of being detected and interceptions are much less than ballistic missiles

There is nothing special about SLBM except the launcy platform. Our penaids deployed on the Shaheen series will be effective against "mid course" inteceptors as well.