1st HANGOR Class Submarine of Pakistan Navy has been launched at Shuangliu

[Pakistan Space Agency]

We need SLBM but this is SLCM

We've got everything that we need.

 

[Bentley777]

The opposite are true SLBM are easy to detect and interpret than cruise missiles, cruise missiles are are harder to detect and destroy because of their terrain hugging capability, and ballistic missiles don't have such qualities, SLCM has a qualities better than SLBM

And what about Indian hunter killer submarines looking for such short range SSBN and SLBM combosbro

The opposite are true SLBM are easy to detect and interpret than cruise missiles, cruise missiles are are harder to detect and destroy because of their terrain hugging capability, and ballistic missiles don't have such qualities, SLCM has a qualities better than SLBM

And what about Indian hunter killer submarines looking for such short range SSBN and SLBM combos

Not want to indulge in any long debate. Always willing to learn from every one. but i want to ask how many SLBM are intercepted in full fledge war between to armies having nearly similar capabilities. As war as hunter killer submarines what are tactics about. if your adversary has better equipment or tech you develop tactics to beat it or bring the same equipment or tech to restore the balance of power. you make sure enemies does not deter from your ambition and you deliver your task/mission atleast on same level if not more.

 

[arslank01]

@Quwa i wonder, after the retirement of the Agosta's, whether we could see serious work/research on a Pakistani reactor.

I specify post retirement agosta specifically due to the MESMA modules.

The French have basically given us the rest of the 'loop'- the part missing being the reactor core- MESMA functionally works in basically the same principle as the nuke boats work, steam turbine spinning etc for power gen, but using ethanol and oxygen for combustion and not a reactor.


I think its high time Pak and Turkey both work jointly on a SMR- they both have a civilian need for such tech- with Turks planning for 5 by 2050, and Pakistan also having a need, alot of SMR's have dual use tech and applications in the naval field, with both Pak and Turkey having nuclear ambitions to an extent- this is an area where both would be drooling at i suspect. With Pakistan holding one of the two keys to the puzzle, and both turk and pak working together to create the second key together.

 

[Taimoor]

@DDG-80

And that is the reason you dont rely on Indian news links or Indian authors, with strong possibility of making you look like a muppet.

 

[rumoured maniac]

Thailand Rejects Chinese Submarine Deal Over Inferior Engine, Scraps Purchase Plans - Military Cognizance

According to Thai media reports, China appears to have agreed to supply surface ships to Bangkok following Thailand's decision to forgo purchasing inferior submarines from Beijing. According to the Bangkok Post citing a Thai Navy source, the Chinese government has tentatively agreed to supply...

militarycognizance.com

How does the reliability of Chinese engines compare to that of their Western counterparts?

 

[Awwad]

Thailand Rejects Chinese Submarine Deal Over Inferior Engine, Scraps Purchase Plans - Military Cognizance

According to Thai media reports, China appears to have agreed to supply surface ships to Bangkok following Thailand's decision to forgo purchasing inferior submarines from Beijing. According to the Bangkok Post citing a Thai Navy source, the Chinese government has tentatively agreed to supply...

militarycognizance.com

How does the reliability of Chinese engines compare to that of their Western counterparts?

Should not be much different, given that its certified by China's National military standard that means it will be used on Chinese Navy submarines as well. Some reports says its basically a variant of the same german MTU 396 engine which was licence produced in China.

Thai deal isn't over yet. Ofcourse MTU engine was already proven, so Thai & Pak would have wanted that in the first place. The Thai navy probably wants concession because of switching from the originally specified German-made engines to Chinese-built engines. But deal is likely to go on.

Deal for sub with Chinese engine most "likely" a go

The Defence Ministry expects to have a solution for its submarine procurement predicament within the next two weeks and is likely to accept the Chinese engine, said a navy source.

www.bangkokpost.com

Chinese Submarine Engine is a Licensed-produced German Powerplant: Thai Navy Chief

S26T submarine is derived from PLAN's Type 039B Yuan-class submarine

www.defensemirror.com

China Completes Certification for CHD620V16H6 Submarine Diesel Engine

14 Agustus 2023 Henan Diesel Engine Co., Ltd (HND) subsidiary of China Shipbuilding Industry Corporation (CSIC) was passing certification fo...

defense-studies.blogspot.com

 

[rumoured maniac]

Should not be much different, given that its certified by China's National military standard that means it will be used on Chinese Navy submarines as well. Some reports says its basically a variant of the same german MTU 396 engine which was licence produced in China.

Thai deal isn't over yet. Ofcourse MTU engine was already proven, so Thai & Pak would have wanted that in the first place. The Thai navy probably wants concession because of switching from the originally specified German-made engines to Chinese-built engines. But deal is likely to go on.

Deal for sub with Chinese engine most "likely" a go

The Defence Ministry expects to have a solution for its submarine procurement predicament within the next two weeks and is likely to accept the Chinese engine, said a navy source.

www.bangkokpost.com

Chinese Submarine Engine is a Licensed-produced German Powerplant: Thai Navy Chief

S26T submarine is derived from PLAN's Type 039B Yuan-class submarine

www.defensemirror.com

China Completes Certification for CHD620V16H6 Submarine Diesel Engine

14 Agustus 2023 Henan Diesel Engine Co., Ltd (HND) subsidiary of China Shipbuilding Industry Corporation (CSIC) was passing certification fo...

defense-studies.blogspot.com

Thanks

 

[rumoured maniac]

True, but we should get nuclear submarine technology though.

Even little India has them. lol.

Next logical step for PN should be Type 52 type ship with AD/ASW role

 

[arslank01]

Next logical step for PN should be Type 52 type ship with AD/ASW role

If a bigger ship is to be inducted, it will be a Jinnah Batch 2- further enlarged

 

[Zarvan]

No, that have minimal chances, every technology from China is not available for Pakistan

It's available. Your affordability is issue not that it's not available

 

[Quwa]

@Quwa i wonder, after the retirement of the Agosta's, whether we could see serious work/research on a Pakistani reactor.

I specify post retirement agosta specifically due to the MESMA modules.

The French have basically given us the rest of the 'loop'- the part missing being the reactor core- MESMA functionally works in basically the same principle as the nuke boats work, steam turbine spinning etc for power gen, but using ethanol and oxygen for combustion and not a reactor.
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I think its high time Pak and Turkey both work jointly on a SMR- they both have a civilian need for such tech- with Turks planning for 5 by 2050, and Pakistan also having a need, alot of SMR's have dual use tech and applications in the naval field, with both Pak and Turkey having nuclear ambitions to an extent- this is an area where both would be drooling at i suspect. With Pakistan holding one of the two keys to the puzzle, and both turk and pak working together to create the second key together.

I agree. IMO Pakistan can contribute significantly towards miniature reactor technology (via the work done at PAEC). However, the recurring problems of missing funds (siphoned to repay interest on government debt), compromised agency at every level, and spreading inertia in leaders and decision-makers will dampen our efforts.

 

[Bilal]

I agree. IMO Pakistan can contribute significantly towards miniature reactor technology (via the work done at PAEC). However, the recurring problems of missing funds (siphoned to repay interest on government debt), compromised agency at every level, and spreading inertia in leaders and decision-makers will dampen our efforts.

Btw:

https://epaper.brecorder.com/2022/04/13/12-page/925950-news.html

To this end, by March 2022, six power plants (four at Chashma and two at Karachi) have begun contributing around 3500 MW of base load electricity to national grid. To meet future targets, preliminary work planning is under way for C-5 project (1100 MW), Chashma Engineering Complex (Fuel Fabrication Plant) and Indigenous Nuclear Power Plant (340 MW).

 

[That_Guy]

It's available. Your affordability is issue not that it's not available

Stop saying this. It's not true.

If this was true PAF would have gotten PL-15s, not PL-15Es. PAF would have also bought a batch of J-20s by now.

Seriously, stop spreading this misinformation.

 

[Muji.Iqbal]

It's available. Your affordability is issue not that it's not available

I wouldn't be surprised if China gives critical military technologies to Pakistan to counter India.

 

[Sparten]

Why not?
In terms of launching an offensive weapon the employment tactics will still be the same when it comes to procedures for undetected launch of CMs.

Not even close.
Missile Boats are sent away from threats and where they can be protected by own assets. Attack subs need to hunt down and destroy the enemy.
You may as well ask why why strategic missile groups, armed with BM don't operate with strike formations..