Afghan Refugees op/ed by Ambassador Tariq Osman Hyder

Fencing never slowed down anyone as it does not cover the entire border, which is mountainous. The evidence is the continuing unrestricted flow of migrants, militants, weapons, dollars and smuggled goods. Even livestock continues to be smuggled! If the fence was effective, it would have reduced smuggling which is a main source of corruption in the Pakistani state.
Seems like a Afghani national pretending to be a pakistani ....Don't know which Afghan Flag you Honor but let me educate you

Go and see Google map Fencing is visible From Chitral To chaghai apart from few Canals All the border is fenced and Forts are built Go Do some satellite imaginary Analysis.
Instead of Telling your false fairy Tales.
You can deport people to a war torn country run by fundamentalist regime that crushes their rights, they will just come right back , as has happened many many times. Only a peaceful Afghanistan that is improving will attract refugees back to it. Pakistani policymakers have been following opposite policy and stroking the fire in Afghanistan for last 50 years, that means there are going to be refugees in Afghanistan's neighbors.
They can't just come back as you said
It doesn't work on your delusions....
We just killed 50+ in zhob when they were trying to cross....

Well If they will come with proper documentation passport then they will be safe....
 
irrelevant to the discussion at hand as Pakistan has unrestricted birthright citizenship.
Millions are deported already and the few which are left ,will be deported soon.
The Few remaining are still rotting in the green belts and parks Islamabad waiting for their deportation.
What do YOU Think? WE as a nation of Pakistan are a Fool? which just defeated your master India few months back?
I know a Afghani like you which have nothing left in his country .... Running on the Aid provided by the US itself from which You got your So called Freedom, Is Happy on....

Hey Look We GOT some Of our Citizens Stranded Over There !!!! WOW
 
Its stupid discussion. Ground reality is that not even single afghani have been given citizenship. Thousands of CNIC cancelled every year.

Afghanis are going back as we speak. At least you will not find any afghani soon in Punjab and AJK. Their CNIC will be checked to confirm authenticity.

The moment there is hue and cry about 1951 law by some quarters, it will be amended in no time. 3 provinces and 80% of Pakistan will vote to amend law.

Only PTI cannot do much. Imrandu tried in 2019 and failed miserably. And that was PTI peak.
 
Look at the map and tell me what is wrong

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Again, as someone else asked, what is your actual point? There is no specific trend here that is worthy of elaboration.

If you wish to compare India with Pakistan, that is a different story, and a new thread is advisable to discuss India's simple discriminatory policies.
 
Again, as someone else asked, what is your actual point? There is no specific trend here that is worthy of elaboration.

If you wish to compare India with Pakistan, that is a different story, and a new thread is advisable to discuss India's simple discriminatory policies.
He's actually right here. He's saying the policy of birthright citizenship makes no sense for Pakistan and is a copy-paste policy made by the incompetent Pakistani elite.

Apart from the US which is trying to actively remove it, no developed or semi-developed country has such a policy and it's illogical and draining for Pakistan to adopt it.
 
Again, as someone else asked, what is your actual point? There is no specific trend here that is worthy of elaboration.

If you wish to compare India with Pakistan, that is a different story, and a new thread is advisable to discuss India's simple discriminatory policies.
Practically all the countries in Asia/Europe/Africa do not recognize birthright citizenship
 
He's actually right here. He's saying the policy of birthright citizenship makes no sense for Pakistan and is a copy-paste policy made by the incompetent Pakistani elite.

Apart from the US which is trying to actively remove it, no developed or semi-developed country has such a policy and it's illogical and draining for Pakistan to adopt it.
or a Pakistani elite who think they have to be home to all the Muslim refugees
 
or a Pakistani elite who think they have to be home to all the Muslim refugees
Doesn't like really work, especially recently. There is major push back. I think they'll ammend the constitution as there was already discussions over doing this and polls show majority of Pakistanis are against it.

Plus the actual policy isn't even in effect. Deportations are still going on.
 
I suggest you check a map, fleeing on foot to Iran and Pakistan is more feasible that fleeing on foot to far away Moscow. Pakistan didn't join the Afghan war in any small capacity, Operation Cyclone was the biggest covert effort in CIA history and meant big bucks for Zia ul Haq regime.
USSR had a land border with Afghanistan. The point is entirely valid that these "refugees" (who you and i both know are actually mostly economic migrants!) could easily have fled to the one country that they should blame most of all for their generational woes, the USSR. After the collapse of USSR, why didn't they go to Uzbekistan or Tajikistan?

The fact that Afghans are obsessed with blaming Islamabad while happily taking it up the backside from Moscow, Washington DC, London and Delhi should explain all there is to know about their bizarre inferiority complexes and subservient nature.

The exact same drama plays out in UK on a much smaller scale. We know they are economic migrants, nothing more. Now they roam the streets in their ghettoised vehicles, bothering mostly other Afghan migrants in their miserable little turf wars while fleecing hand outs off the socialist system. I cannot imagine how Pakistan has coped with 4 million plus of these self styled "refugees fleeing persecution".

For the record, I don't mind genuine war or disaster refugees coming here (UK), (and Pakistan should perhaps also extend some sympathy to a small minority of genuinely worthy families, after appropriate checks are made on the calibre of said families), but this simply isn't the real status of overwhelmingly most of them. They are economic migrants, and we are FULL. Same goes for Indian migrants btw - kindly bugger off and enjoy bathing in Putin's oil money back in Hindustan.

If you want an example of the traitorous mentality that loyal Pakistanis need to open their eyes to, look no further than Malala, who has ne'er a favourable word to utter on Pakistan, even though she was born here, protected by the state here, and her attackers were the very people our state is at war with.
 
Afghanistani refugees need to build their own country. We cannot host them any longer.

This Afghanistan country has a bad reputation. At least Pakistan is a much better country than Afghanistan. Sorry for being honest here. May Allah help Afghanistan.
 
why does your history end in 1989 ? There have been multiple waves of refugee migration from Afghanistan :
Why does your start in 1980?
War against Soviet occupation of Afghanistan (Pakistan principal agent of Op Cyclone)
80s, operation cyclone.forcee afghanistan and Soviet union to focus on rebels instead of the Civilian population they were busy depopulating since April 1978. Thanks to which instead of 90% of Afghanistan only 10% made it to Pakistan.
1989-1995 : civil war in Afghanistan with Pakistan supporting warlods like Hekmatyar and Iran supporting Massoud
1989-95: The appeasing Pakistan taking Uncultured afghans all the way to Makkah in 93 to get a deal and end the infighting. The afghans betrayed Islam, the Saudis and most importantly Pakistan by ignoring our mediation and returning to their subhuman ways
1995-2001 : Taliban takeover of Afghanistan resulting in many Farsi speaking people fleeing Afghanistan. Pakistan principal supporter of Taliban
Subhuman ways led to the Afghan population rebelling against them and cleaning the slate clean. All Pashtun mujahideen joined the Taliban especially almost all of haqqanis and hekmatyar's forces. Pakistan again appeased the new group in hopes that they would prioritize peace in Afghanistan over ego. They chose an Arab over Pakistan, and over Afghanistan itself. Resulting in displacement of hundreds of thousands and Pakistan letting them in too due to appeasement policy.
2000's : US invasion and occupation of Afghanistan thanks to Taliban f-ups. Pakistan plays both sides, supporting US during the day and Taliban at night
Afghans thanks to Taliban **** up by betraying Pakistan who told them to not compromise the region for a single Arab dude. (Just like they do today for TTP) Afghans take Kabul two weeks before first American logistics supply cross Pakistani border into Afghanistan. Pakistan new policy of appeasing both the uS, Taliban and the new afghan pupper government formally begins. Yet all three more interested in displacing afghans into Pakistan. This time Taliban families.
2020's: Taliban takeover of Afghanistan once again and continuing conflict.
US cuts a deal and Afghans re-join Taliban in droves over some phone calls from local commanders. Taliban walk into Kabul, Afghans displace themselves this time for the lolz. Fleeing to very countries they were funded to fight against. Pakistan let's in 600.000 more of these due to continuing appeasement policy regarding afghans since 40s.
As I said before, Pakistan cannot stroke war in a neighboring country for 50 years and escape the consequences
Afghans stoked war in Pakistan since 1949 pay jirga. History as I said doesn't start in 1980s.it displaced millions of it's own and off-loaded them to it's neighbors who have tried nothing but appease and accommodate every kind of afghan under the sun imaginable to no avail. Pakistan has paid a heavy price for the consequences of this appeasement and it's time it makes afghanistan pay for its displacement policies by sending the unwanted mass back. Which after 50 of capitulation, it finally has. Over a million has been sent back since late 2023. Will take the rest of 2020s to clean the mess of 50 years of appeasement though but that's acceptable.

Long story short Pakistan was the principle saviour of Afghanistan and afghans from themselves, and the soviets and the Americans. No more. Time to offload.
irrelevant to the discussion at hand as Pakistan has unrestricted birthright citizenship.
We don't. Please try and get afghans born here citizenship through courts to find out. Good luck and keep us in the loop.
 
Afghanis could not thought that a simple Bus Hijacking can cost them their country....
People clinging to the landing gear
No Law and order people roaming around killing each other....Petrol prices varies after a km....No number plates....No Police....No rescue services.
Living on US Aid....
 

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