Afghan Refugees op/ed by Ambassador Tariq Osman Hyder

[Rational Philosopher]

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[krash]

You cannot be blind to how your neighborhood operates

Why?

Obviously it is not going to apply if millions of Hindus migrate over and have babies on Pakistani soil

Why not? This law should not and does not differentiate between faith.

Please try and get afghans born here citizenship through courts to find out. Good luck and keep us in the loop.

Compelling argument built on the corrupt and defunct nature of the Pakistani legal system and society.

 

[Watandar]

Seems like a Afghani national pretending to be a pakistani ....Don't know which Afghan Flag you Honor but let me educate you

I smell a stinky Indian agent trying to sow discord. I will need to see your Pakistaniyat credentials.

Go and see Google map Fencing is visible From Chitral To chaghai apart from few Canals All the border

Chitral isnt on the border, what are you blabbering about ? Fencing isnt possible in mountainous terrain which is most of the border and fences are easily bypassed as well.

is fenced and Forts are built Go Do some satellite imaginary Analysis.
Instead of Telling your false fairy Tales.

If it was truly fenced and fortified you would have seen fewer militants and less smuggling. You don't because it isn't. Just another scam to get money from abroad.

They can't just come back as you said
It doesn't work on your delusions....

Of course the refugees can just come back, its been happening repeatedly for last 50 years. It's you that doesnt understand the phenomenom.

We just killed 50+ in zhob when they were trying to cross....

Killing militants is easy, its changing the environment that creates militants thats difficult and where the Pakistani state fails miserably. Killing militants has been happening for last 25 years now.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

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The afghans are just as much our enemies as the indians are. Make no mistake about it. If ANY confrontation with the afghans gets out of hand, we should nuke afghanistan and wipe it off the face of the earth.

 

[Watandar]

Why does your start in 1980?

80s, operation cyclone.forcee afghanistan and Soviet union to focus on rebels instead of the Civilian population they were busy depopulating since April 1978. Thanks to which instead of 90% of Afghanistan only 10% made it to Pakistan.

Soviets were committing same repression as they did in all their client states. That didnt mean they were eliminating the entire population and to suggest as such is absurd.
Op Cyclone was America taking revenge for its defeat in Vietnam and Pakistani dictatorship saw opportunity to make money and gain legitimacy. It was marketed as "jehad" when it wasn't. The war shattered Afghan society and made them refugees all over the world. It wasn't some favor to the Afghans. This was the first mistake by Pakistan.

1989-95: The appeasing Pakistan taking Uncultured afghans all the way to Makkah in 93 to get a deal and end the infighting. The afghans betrayed Islam, the Saudis and most importantly Pakistan by ignoring our mediation and returning to their subhuman ways

Blame Hamid Gul's failed attempt to conquer Jalalabad in 1989 via Jalal Haqqani and subsequent Pakistani meddling in Afghan civil war and destruction of Kabul by Hekmatyar-Massoud. It destroyed all the goodwil Afghan mujahideen had built up towards Pakistan and they saw it same as Soviets, a predator. These were the second set of mistakes by Pakistan.

Subhuman ways led to the Afghan population rebelling against them and cleaning the slate clean. All Pashtun mujahideen joined the Taliban especially almost all of haqqanis and hekmatyar's forces. Pakistan again appeased the new group in hopes that they would prioritize peace in Afghanistan over ego. They chose an Arab over Pakistan, and over Afghanistan itself. Resulting in displacement of hundreds of thousands and Pakistan letting them in too due to appeasement policy.

This was the third set of mistakes by Pakistan when it proved unable to own and control the various Mujahideen commanders and decided on a new project , the Taliban, with Saudi-UAE sponsorship. Pakistan foolishly believed that this group of Afghans would be controlled and provide "straategic deepth"

Afghans thanks to Taliban **** up by betraying Pakistan who told them to not compromise the region for a single Arab dude. (Just like they do today for TTP) Afghans take Kabul two weeks before first American logistics supply cross Pakistani border into Afghanistan. Pakistan new policy of appeasing both the uS, Taliban and the new afghan pupper government formally begins. Yet all three more interested in displacing afghans into Pakistan. This time Taliban families.

Taliban/Al-qaeda/Mujahideen proved very volatile from the very first day and it should not have been any surprise they would use and then dispose of dumb Pakistani state. The fourth set of blunders begins by Pakistani state which immediately dumped the Taliban and began playing double games with the US.

US cuts a deal and Afghans re-join Taliban in droves over some phone calls from local commanders. Taliban walk into Kabul, Afghans displace themselves this time for the lolz. Fleeing to very countries they were funded to fight against. Pakistan let's in 600.000 more of these due to continuing appeasement policy regarding afghans since 40s.

Pakistan allowed Taliban to flee into the country alongwith OBL and setup shop in Quetta and elsewhere because of Pakistani generals obsession with "straategic daapth" and trying to turn Afghanistan into its client state. The events of 2001 should have been utilized as a clean break from the past but instead Pakistani state doubled down in its dumb policies of meddling in Afghanistan.

Afghans stoked war in Pakistan since 1949 pay jirga. History as I said doesn't start in 1980s.it displaced millions of it's own and off-loaded them to it's neighbors who have tried nothing but appease and accommodate every kind of afghan under the sun imaginable to no avail. Pakistan has paid a heavy price for the consequences of this appeasement and it's time it makes afghanistan pay for its displacement policies by sending the unwanted mass back. Which after 50 of capitulation, it finally has. Over a million has been sent back since late 2023. Will take the rest of 2020s to clean the mess of 50 years of appeasement though but that's acceptable.

Afghans indeed behaved stupidly in 1950s and 1960 and made few incursions in Bajaur. In response the Pakistani state made even bigger blunders by stroking full blown wars in Afghanistan post 1979 and repeatedly ruining that country alongwith itself. The natural result of that is Pakistan awash with refugees, drugs, kalashnikov culture and smuggling and this will continue as long as war persists in Afghanistan. You cannot set your neighbor's house on fire and expect nothing will harm your house.

Long story short Pakistan was the principle saviour of Afghanistan and afghans from themselves, and the soviets and the Americans. No more. Time to offload.

This is as big a scam as claiming Afghanistan war was a "Jehad" when in reality it was just Pakistani state being a hired gun for America and working for $$, riyals and dirhams. Nothing more.

We don't. Please try and get afghans born here citizenship through courts to find out. Good luck and keep us in the loop.

Afghans born in Pakistan already have citizenship according to Constitution and 1951 nationality law. I don't know why you have difficulty understanding this.

 

[Watandar]

You cannot oblivious to the rules of the neighborhood

there are no "rules of the neighborhood", each country has its own constitution and citizenship laws.

 

[Master Chief]

You cannot oblivious to the rules of the neighborhood

Again polluting a thread with hindutva logic.

Feel free to open a separate thread regarding "neighbourhood rules" and I will contribute.

There is simply no analogy between heavily armed and hostile Afghan "refugees" in Pakistan and ANY other refugee group in the subcontinent. Literally none.

 

[Asfandyar Bhittani]

they did in all their client states. That didnt mean they were eliminating the entire population and to suggest as such is absurd.

You are painfully ignorant. Displacement of undesirables was the Soviet MO.

Population transfer in the Soviet Union - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

The war shattered Afghan society

Kabul and Soviet union's war*

These were the second set of mistakes by Pakistan

Pakistan mistake was Appeasement. It's first and it's last.

Afghans indeed behaved stupidly

How convenient. When Afghanistan declares war against Pakistan doe no reason whatsoever, it's just being stupid. When Pakistan tries to gain good will through the policy of appeasement, it's what destroyed the planet. Brought about the end of the world. Lolz. Full blown war lol. We didn't invade Afghanistan, the Afghan's master did.

You cannot set your neighbor's house on fire and expect nothing will harm your house.

It's so painful that you don't see the irony in that for your Gran Afghanistan. Get this through your tribalistic head. AFGHANS are not the victims.

Afghans born in Pakistan already have citizenship according to Constitution and 1951 nationality law. I don't know why you have difficulty understanding this.

No they don't. You can head to the SC and try to get them citizenship. Let us know what happens.

This is as big a scam as claiming Afghanistan war was a "Jehad" when in reality it was just Pakistani state being a hired gun for America and working for $$, riyals and dirhams. Nothing more.

You are right it wasn't a jihad. Khwarij can't jihad.

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

meanwhile today news. Its only going to get worse as TTP terrorism increases.

Afghans in Khyber asked to acquire visa for stay in Pakistan​

Our Correspondent Published August 29, 2025 Updated about 7 hours ago

KHYBER: The Khyber district administration on Thursday issued directives to all Afghan nationals to immediately acquire their national passport and conduct their businesses in accordance with law.

The assistant commissioner of Landi Kotal, Afrasiyab Zubair, and the additional assistant commissioner, Shahabuddin, held a meeting with local elders and conveyed to them official requirements about Afghan nationals staying in Landi Kotal and conducting businesses.

The elders were told that all Afghan nationals with Proof of Registration (PoR) cards were required to also possess their national passports, which should be duly stamped with valid Pakistani visa.

The officials warned them of legal action against Afghan nationals violating these new regulations after the expiry of August 31 deadline.


Meanwhile, a resident of Landi Kotal Abu Bakar has accused tehsildar of Landi Kotal of unlawfully putting his brother behind bars on the pretext of a monetary dispute.

Addressing a press conference at Landi Kotal Press Club, he alleged that Tehsildar Taimur Afridi fraudulently implicated his brother Hazrat Ali in a monetary dispute and held him in illegal detention after calling him to the local police station.

He demanded of deputy commissioner to investigate the matter and take legal action against the tehsildar as his family had no monetary dispute with him.

Published in Dawn, August 29th, 2025

 

[Watandar]

You are painfully ignorant. Displacement of undesirables was the Soviet MO.

Population transfer in the Soviet Union - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Pitiful understanding of Soviet/Russian history. The Soviets came to Afghanistan to stabilize an allied govt, similar to their interventions in Czechoslovakia , Hungary etc. They never thought they would have to fight a war to stay in the country. The population transfers you are pointing to are lands and peoples with a much tighter and complicated history with Russia and Afghans were not in that category.

Kabul and Soviet union's war*

Pakistan mistake was Appeasement. It's first and it's last.

It may have remained Kabul and Soviet union's war and resolved itself but America wanted revenge for Vietnam and Zia ul Haq dictatorship needed legitimacy and money, so they got involved in someone's else war and brought it to Pakistan. Then even after Soviets departed in 1989, Pakistani state kept making blunders for another 30 plus years.

How convenient. When Afghanistan declares war against Pakistan doe no reason whatsoever, it's just being stupid. When Pakistan tries to gain good will through the policy of appeasement, it's what destroyed the planet. Brought about the end of the world. Lolz. Full blown war lol. We didn't invade Afghanistan, the Afghan's master did.

Afghanistan never declared war on Pakistan. There was indeed tension and some skirmishes in 1950s and 1960s. The wise move by Pakistan would have been to build relations, trade and trust with Afghanistan and eventually the border issues would have been resolved but the Faujis running Pakistani foreign policy made the same mess in Afghanistan that they have made elsewhere.

It's so painful that you don't see the irony in that for your Gran Afghanistan. Get this through your tribalistic head. AFGHANS are not the victims.

There is no "Gran Afghanistan" and it never had currency with Pakistani Pashtuns or Baloch as we have our own strong identity, history and links with peoples of subcontinent. It was never even a major issue inside Afghanistan except for a few ethnic parties. This is a non issue that was mismanaged by idiot Faujis.

No they don't. You can head to the SC and try to get them citizenship. Let us know what happens.

Pakistan practices unrestricted birthright citizenship. Its how Afghan and Bengali children have passports but their parents don't. The SC will uphold the existing laws.

You are right it wasn't a jihad. Khwarij can't jihad.

At least we agree on one thing that all the war in last 50 years in Afghanistan has had nothing to do with Jehad, contrary to what Pakistani mullahs and establishment have been selling. It was only about power, revenge, money.

 

[Distant_Observer]

Deportations also resume 1st September.

What about the millions and millions of illegals littered all over especially in balochistan?

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Deportations also resume 1st September.

What about the millions and millions of illegals littered all over especially in balochistan?

In time they will be targeted too. We need to start from somewhere.

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

Deportations also resume 1st September.

What about the millions and millions of illegals littered all over especially in balochistan?

Their time will come as well.

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[hydrabadi_arab]

Finally a good taliban.

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[PK781]

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Pakistanis (many of them are beghairat).
I can;t believe Pak cricket team is actually playing against the afghan team, what kind of beghairti is this.
They hate us and consider us enemies yet our beghairats are happily going to uae to play cricket with these 18th century tribals.

Extremely stupid decisions and no shame! Why are these people continueing to even bother to play or deal with indian and afghans.