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Oscar said:
Pictures is all you will have - as I keep telling you folks - your problem is not money or technology.

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Most defence development is moving to private sector where starting salariez are 2 or 3 lakhs a month.
 
Deino said:
Wait! So now in 2026 they begin with the fine-tuning and as such finalising the design until mid-2028 and then? I thought in 2028 this thing should already be ready?

Well, if they finished the design until then - and we all know how likely this will invest delays - it will surely take another few years more … we won‘t see this damn thing needier 2030/32.
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Pretty much yes, so it is still in design phase (detail design phase). It usually takes 1 year for detail design like KFX/ IFX program. If every thing goes to the plan, then it takes about another 1 year for building a prorotype.

South Korea may be able to build a prototype for just one year after detail design completed, for Indonesia we need 2 years to build flying prototype of N219 after detail design is completed.
 
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It's so funny to me how they drew F35 pilot ladder pattern on the sides 🤣 they looked up some images of F35 and thought it looked cool without having a single thought about functionality lol
 
Yasser76 said:
Man, PAF gonna have to fight a lot of AI images and plastic models of AMCA soon....
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You better start scrapping the rust off the F16s
Gets some super glue for the mirages and fatigued Thunders lol 🤣 😆 😂 😆
 
I can understand that you tackle a lot of things in parallel & celebrate, but wouldn't it make more sense to first develop, finalise the design, determine WHO builds it WHERE and then move forward where?
My impression is that you don't get to work because of all the unimportant events are celebrated.

And that's exactly the difference to China: There are rumours, every now and then a photo, a vague official confirmation and suddenly after a few years without having noticed much of it, the product is ready and a few months later in large number even at the first unit!

Here every self-made screw, every plan to decide something at some point is announced and celebrated ...
 
Deino said:
I can understand that you tackle a lot of things in parallel & celebrate, but wouldn't it make more sense to first develop, finalise the design, determine WHO builds it WHERE and then move forward where?
My impression is that you don't get to work because of all the unimportant events are celebrated.

And that's exactly the difference to China: There are rumours, every now and then a photo, a vague official confirmation and suddenly after a few years without having noticed much of it, the product is ready and a few months later in large number even at the first unit!

Here every self-made screw, every plan to decide something at some point is announced and celebrated ...
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You are getting it now. Imagine having this lost as neighbours....
 
Deino said:
I can understand that you tackle a lot of things in parallel & celebrate, but wouldn't it make more sense to first develop, finalise the design, determine WHO builds it WHERE and then move forward where?
My impression is that you don't get to work because of all the unimportant events are celebrated.

And that's exactly the difference to China: There are rumours, every now and then a photo, a vague official confirmation and suddenly after a few years without having noticed much of it, the product is ready and a few months later in large number even at the first unit!

Here every self-made screw, every plan to decide something at some point is announced and celebrated ...
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China and India are not the same, in a democracy with free press and government that has to be accountable for every minor or major thing, you often get a lot of newsbytes. Now this is not an argument in favour of what works best, but just a glimpse of how things work here. And, nobody is celebrating anything over here, unless you bring that up to troll.

Lastly, re-read the post, WHERE part is what it mentions. The integration centre is being build before the consortium gets selected by Q3 to speed up the project.
 
CallSignMaverick said:
China and India are not the same, in a democracy with free press and government that has to be accountable for every minor or major thing, you often get a lot of newsbytes. Now this is not an argument in favour of what works best, but just a glimpse of how things work here. And, nobody is celebrating anything over here, unless you bring that up to troll.

Lastly, re-read the post, WHERE part is what it mentions. The integration centre is being build before the consortium gets selected by Q3 to speed up the project.
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Even in other democracies you dont see BAE or LMTAS celebrating every little circuitboard that gets completed...
 
CallSignMaverick said:
Laying foundation stone for the main "Aircraft Integration & Flight Testing" facility isn't really a circuitboard getting completed.
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What about the massive PR push when a wing was delivered? Or the big "delivery" announcments.

When you mistake activity for progress you progress very very slowly
 
Yasser76 said:
What about the massive PR push when a wing was delivered? Or the big "delivery" announcments.

When you mistake activity for progress you progress very very slowly
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Those are listed public and private companies and it is expected of them to spend some resources on PR to show to their shareholders. Same goes with delivery announcements to keep share values in check.
 
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