An Incident happened today ...Made me really wonder...

[JaneBhiDoYaaron]

Sadly, this is nothing new. It has happened over and over again. It will happen again the next time.

And our enemies know this. We are all words and no action.

Who is to blame here? No one but ourselves.

Therefore, we deserve what is happening to us all.

I am sorry to ask but what are the expectations from muslim rulers? I can put numerous example of Muslim state destroying another Muslim state including killing of Muslim population. So you are saying as long as Muslims are together against non Muslim, all good?

It was very clear Arab nations wanted to have peace with Israel for progress of Middle East. Hamas, Hizbollah and Iran are looked as road blocks in that process.

So, many Muslim nations are not speaking except lip service for this reason as Iran became sole credit taker for Palestine cause so Arab nations are saying you wanted to take all credit so now you deal with it.

 

[JaneBhiDoYaaron]

2 State solution is only way forward

Not Genocide and Not putting things under carpet
It is for the People of Palestine to decide the fate of their faction what happens to it

Having a Chinese/Russian Embassy in region I think will also be helpful
Embassy in West Bank /Gaza

It is a reasonable solution as well untill a 2 state solution happens

• The Land has seen wars for over 2000 years, I wish there was simple answer to solve things but genocide is wrong all level of humanity

I and most Indians have been big advocate of two state solution but Iran never allowed Palestinians to proceed. Palestinian would have got lot more land before and after every conflict their area shrinks.

 

[Developereo]

It was very clear Arab nations wanted to have peace with Israel for progress of Middle East. Hamas, Hizbollah and Iran are looked as road blocks in that process.

Motivations are notoriously hard to determine.

Once can just as easily conclude that, having given up any hope of defeating Iran themselves given their abject incompetence, the Arab monarchies pinned their hopes on Israel to do it for them.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Well, there is no proof that Iran does not want peace in region.
It's all speculation

Last year so

• Have seen diplomatic push between Saudia-Iran to normalize ties , almost to very warming relation status (Sports etc or other sectors)
• Have seen diplomatic push between Saudia-Turkey to normalize, some disturbances recently due to some issue at Football game for Turkish teams surfaced however they are trying to fix stuff.
• Seen exchange @ Sports level between Turkey/Saudia trying to fix relations.
• Relation between Egypt-Turkey are on and off due to Oil/Gas issue dispute over sea region

It's all economy driven

• Saudia is more focused on trade /tourism for their 2030 Economic initiative.
• Iran is also generally trying to focus on their economy, trade routes etc.

I don't think Iran gains also from conflict in region.

The relaunch of conflict recently in Palestine region is out of blue event

 

[JaneBhiDoYaaron]

Motivations are notoriously hard to determine.

Once can just as easily conclude that, having given up any hope of defeating Iran themselves given their abject incompetence, the Arab monarchies pinned their hopes on Israel to do it for them.

But if that was the case Saudie won’t try to fix relationships with Iran which they are doing.

 

[Developereo]

But if that was the case Saudie won’t try to fix relationships with Iran which they are doing.

The proof of the pudding is in the eating.

The Iran rapprochement is mostly symbolic and perhaps to placate China which brokered the deal.

Keep in mind that all these tinpot Arab kingdoms and dictatorships were established by the British and French colonialists to keep the region divided and fighting.

 

[onlinpunit]

there are people here who think hamas is winning and following a very clear and clever war plan that will give them victory soon.

Nothing has changed since 1948.
That time also majority of Palestinians were convinced that arab will help them to get the full country. Hence the refusal to accept the UN resolution of two state solution..
The result and consequences of 1st arab Israel war is in front of all of us to observe.

 

[VCheng]

Isn’t Pakistan’s military establishment also composed of Pakistanis? Hamas is the same. No nation can progress with such traitors in power.

good analogy. But does this mean Pakistan is like Gaza or that Hamas is like Pakistan Army. Neither is a comfortable comparison.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

The Gaza/Westbank analogy can't be applied to Pakistan , we have different circumstances
The soldiers are from Pakistan in Army mostly from poor families, we have free ocean and airspace etc.

• Gaza/WestBank - Palestinians are living in no State for 70+ years, we can't imagine their day to day

Unlike after 1857, there were some Human Development in Subcontinent by British i.e school , railway , or certain civil sector

Israel has made no such favor for Palestinians, Gaza/Westbank are pretty much a Gigantic City Prison, the current Genocide is just example of lawless nature of the region

 

[JaneBhiDoYaaron]

The proof of the pudding is in the eating.

The Iran rapprochement is mostly symbolic and perhaps to placate China which brokered the deal.

Keep in mind that all these tinpot Arab kingdoms and dictatorships were established by the British and French colonialists to keep the region divided and fighting.

Sorry but is Iran not smart to understand and make peace with Saudi if this is western ploy? This is same BS as Hamas is Israel creation but Palestinians and Muslim world cheere for Hamas. Decide what is correct and stick with it.

 

[Oscar]

good analogy. But does this mean Pakistan is like Gaza or that Hamas is like Pakistan Army. Neither is a comfortable comparison.

Also a pointless discussion to have since neither Pakistan nor Palestine truly has direct links or interactions besides the token hellos and mythology of brotherhood.

If there was a practice of brotherhood along the lines of what Pakistanis allege it would not have led to the Palestinians actively assisting India in undermining Pakistan’s interests with Kashmir at times because of their relationship with India - nor would it have led to Arafat helping the Al Zulfiqar group(morally correct or not is moot) plan a hijacking.

Finally, the Palestinians themselves have accepted a corrupt PLO and willingly let Al Aqsa be a very neglected site - Israel notwithstanding and at the end when the snake that is hamas was let loose by the two I’s they are now the ones being slaughtered for it.

Technically, Hamas and the right wing Israelis had a twisted symbiotic relationship - until they had the October 7 incident.,, where there was a bit of commonality with Pakistan.. in that it turned out to be the Kargil misadventure of theirs in some ways. Same issue of unclear orders and overly ambitious junior commanders crossing lines that led to the usual Israeli response of scorched earth and now they have their excuse to commit any excesses they want.

Eventually, this either kicks off a wider conflict or results in resumption of settlements in Gaza - wither Pakistan, Turkey or Saudi Arabia to do much about it because nobody wants to take on the United States which will step in if anyone tries anything beyond words.

 

[arjunk]

First fix your internal divisions (which outnumber that of the entire continent of Europe) then think about taking on the most powerful nation in the world.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

It's not that simple

The dynamics are changing fast for sure

• Recently news have surfaced Israel wants to control border connecting Gaza with Egypt , I think Egypt wants to control it's region + Sanai , it may view it as a plan for expansion.

• Palestine Flag is waving across most of Arab world , Turkey is also leading discussion on Gaza, mostly in Arab circles without any specific nationality there is universal consensus.

If anything the GAZA thing is strangely uniting different Muslim Nations, in logical way as Palestine is a holy land for Muslims

At ground level (People) of course everyone is connected to Palestine as the land is Holy from Muslim Perspective

So any unnecessary blood spilling does impact the Muslim world to great degree

• There is a reason why the US ambassador was off to Turkey to ask for things to calmn down, I believe Turkey/South Africa have put forth a resolution for Genocide against Israel

But certainly genocide and loss of life is very concerning.


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Apart from Muslim word even voices are raising in Europe as well for what is Israel doing in term of Genocidal acts

• Spanish circles
• Italian Circles

This conflict can only be solved on table and in a 2 state solution ultimately

 

[arjunk]

in that it turned out to be the Kargil misadventure of theirs in some ways

This is more like the events of 1971. At least in Kargil Pakistan showed some level of miltiary superiority beyond the shock and awe stage.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Hard to tell as to why this conflict restarted out of blue