As China Unleashes 80,000-Ton Fujian, India’s Ex-Naval Chief Wants France’s Help To Construct Nuke-Powered Aircraft Carrier

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As China Unleashes 80,000-Ton Fujian, India’s Ex-Naval Chief Wants France’s Help To Construct Nuke-Powered Aircraft Carrier​

By Ritu Sharma
May 1, 2024

Amid China’s PLA Navy commencing sea trials of its third aircraft carrier, the 80,000-ton Fujian, a former Indian Navy chief has proposed that India and France collaborate on constructing a nuclear-powered next-generation aircraft carrier.

Fujian is China’s largest warship. Launched in June 2022, it is the country’s first supercarrier and the first domestically developed carrier equipped with electromagnetic catapults and arresting devices.

Admiral Arun Prakash (retired) has suggested that the two countries are already collaborating on manufacturing engines for India’s fighter jet engines; they are supplying Rafale fighter jets for the Indian Air Force and the Indian Navy and joining hands to manufacture the next-generation aircraft carrier is the “logical step.”

France has already started work on its next-generation nuclear-powered aircraft carrier for the French Navy, the Porte-Avions Nouvelle Génération (PA-NG). The PA-NG will replace the French nuclear-powered aircraft carrier, Charles de Gaulle. Construction is expected to commence in 2025, and commissioning is scheduled for 2038.

Naval Group and Chantiers de l’Atlantique are jointly building the PA-NG, and TechnicAtome will provide the two nuclear reactors that power the ship.

Admiral Prakash contends that this is the right time should India want to join the project and France is ready to share the technology. He believes India’s next indigenous aircraft carrier (IAC) should be technologically ahead of the first IAC INS Vikrant.

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The Fujian is more technically advanced than the other Chinese carriers

“French companies have started work, and at this stage, it is possible for India to collaborate. Repeat order for INS Vikrant would not be a great step forward. It has a ski jump (for aircraft take-off) and is propelled by a gas turbine. Next carrier should have a catapult for better performance from aircraft and nuclear propulsion for endless endurance,” Admiral Prakash told the EurAsian Times. But, first, he said, the government has to decide whether we want to go for the next aircraft carrier.

INS Vikrant, a 44,000-ton warship, was inducted into the Indian Navy on September 2, 2022, when Prime Minister Narendra Modi commissioned India’s first indigenous aircraft carrier, Indian Naval Ship (INS) Vikrant, at the Cochin Shipyard Limited (CSL).

Apart from being unable to operate a large number of aircraft (INS Vikrant can operate 18 fighter jets), unlike their American counterparts, India’s 45,000-tonne indigenous carrier is also constrained by limited range and power. Unlike conventional propulsion, nuclear propulsion offers higher and unlimited power to the carriers. The nuclear-powered floating bases become more agile and can be deployed for extended periods.

Compared to the big carrier, small flattops have less potent onboard defense systems and are particularly vulnerable to drone swarm attacks. A small aircraft carrier’s peacetime importance is not under contestation, but its combat role is limited.

“Aircraft carriers remain in service for 30-40 years. The second indigenous aircraft carrier will take 7-9 years to build and will be ready by 2035. This means we are going to keep it in service till 2075. A 45,000-tonne carrier will not be able to meet India’s need to counter China, which is going to have a formidable presence in the Indian Ocean Region in the next 5-7 years,” Commodore Anil Jai Singh, an Indian Navy Veteran and Vice President of the Indian Maritime Foundation told the EurAsian Times.

Given the kind of capability we need in the future, we need bigger aircraft carriers in the future, Commodore Singh opined.

“The PLA Navy is going for a bigger aircraft carrier. India takes pride in the fact that we can turn any situation in the IOR favorably. If we need to maintain it, a 45,000-tonne aircraft carrier is not enough. We are not only looking at the present day but also our capability for the next 40 years. We need at least a 65000-70000-ton aircraft carrier,” Commodore Singh added.

Indian Navy’s 2nd Indigenous Aircraft Carrier

The Indian Navy wants to go for the second indigenous aircraft carrier as the life of the Russian-built Admiral Gorshkov, rechristened as INS Vikramaditya, is also nearing its end.

Indian Navy Chief Admiral Hari R. Kumar revealed on October 6, 2023, that the Navy is moving a case for the third aircraft carrier, which will be a repeat of the indigenous INS Vikrant. There has been no encouragement from the government for getting bigger aircraft carriers.

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Representation of the Porte-avions de nouvelle génération.

The need for three aircraft carriers was laid down in the first Plan Paper made for the Indian Navy in 1948 to enable it to exercise sea control in the Indian Ocean.
“If France is willing to share the technology, it would be a good idea. Building a nuclear-powered aircraft carrier would take decades. With France’s help, India can achieve it in the next 6-7 years,” the former Indian Navy Chief suggested. He adds that India can share the financial burden of the project and provide labor for the construction. Also, the construction of PA-NG and the IAC-2 can run concurrently should the collaboration take shape.

In 1988, DCN France was asked to audit Cochin Shipyard Limited and lend help in the concept design of a “sea control ship.” DCN-CSL came up with the concept of the 37,000-ton ship with ski jump/catapult options, costing around INR 3,000 crores, but it was found unaffordable.

The PA-NG will be bigger and more powerful than its predecessor, Charles de Gaulle. It will be a 75,000-ton warship and can carry up to 30 new-generation maritime variants of the future combat air system (FCAS), comprising new-generation fighter aircraft and remote carrier vehicles.

India has been able to manufacture nuclear-powered submarines with the help of Russians. However, making a reactor for a 60,000-ton warship is a different ballgame.

Another factor is that both INS Vikramaditya and INS Vikrant use the older ‘ski-jump’ technology to help the deck-based fighter jets take off. The new aircraft carriers are coming with the Electromagnetic Aircraft Launch System (EMALS). These complex technologies offer advantages like precise control over launch speed, are suitable for heavy aircraft, and are compatible with future aircraft designs.

India-France

Over the past decade, France has emerged as India’s second-largest arms supplier after Russia. The defense cooperation between the two countries has strengthened significantly, and several key defense deals have been struck. France’s public endorsement of India’s claim for permanent membership of the UN Security Council has also made it a trusted ally for New Delhi.

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A Rafale Marine attached to squadron 17F of the French Navy lands during flight operations aboard the aircraft carrier USS George H.W. Bush (CVN 77).

India has already inducted 36 Rafale fighter jets made by Dassault Aviation into its air force. In 2023, the Indian government received initial approval to purchase 26 Rafale M fighter jets for its Navy.

The Rafale jets have enhanced India’s air combat capabilities and contributed to its national security. Before these, in the 1980s, India bought Mirage jets, which continue to be in service and comprise two Air Force squadrons.

India’s defense ministry granted the Approval of Necessity (AoN) for procuring three additional Scorpène-class submarines under the Buy (Indian) category. These submarines will be constructed by Mazagon Dock Shipbuilders Limited (MDL) in India. The Indian Navy already operates six Scorpène submarines manufactured by the French Naval Group (formerly known as DCNS).

Indian aerospace maker Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) is currently looking to manufacture the Indian Multi-Role Helicopter (IMRH), a medium-lift helicopter to replace the aging Russian Mi-17 helicopters. These helicopters will be used for air assault, air attack, anti-submarine, anti-surface, military transport, and VIP transport. The company has already signed a workshare agreement for the joint development of engines with France-based Safran.
 
It's just foolhardy for India trying to match China in everything.

Got to agree with that

TBF I don't think they are trying to match

But they need something to keep some form of deterrence in place especially at sea ...we need our Indian ocean to be free for our imports of energy and exports
 
It's just foolhardy for India trying to match China in everything.
Crazy how they think we are competing with them. They should at least feed their people before thinking about nuclear carriers. Our weapons and ships are all built in China, it provide jobs and have a tech spillover to the civillian industry. They never learn....
 
No worry, the French designed new carrier just as the Rafale fighters will be invincible to all, good luck.
 
It’s disrespectful for china to be habitually compared to India. India is a third world country with relatively limited technological prowess while China is a legitimate super power that aspires to be a global hegemon.

There’s not a single credible metric that India comes anywhere close to China.

This nonsense needs to stop.
 
Our weapons and ships are all built in China, it provide jobs and have a tech spillover to the civillian industry.
According to SIPRI, MTU was a regular supplier of engines for Luyang III class missile destroyers until at least 2020. MTU reportedly supplied engines that were used in China's Song-class submarines.
 
There’s not a single credible metric that India comes anywhere close to China.

This nonsense needs to stop.
●We've achieved a significant milestone with our shipborne S-band naval radar, far surpassing China's aspirations. The Indian Navy has successfully integrated and operationalized it on INS Anvesh, positioning it to compete head-to-head with the USN's AN/SPY-6 system.
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●The Indian Navy has already conducted successful tests of a shipborne Ballistic Missile Defense (BMD) system utilizing this advanced naval S-band radar, placing India far ahead of China, which is yet to achieve similar milestones.
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Crazy how they think we are competing with them. They should at least feed their people before thinking about nuclear carriers. Our weapons and ships are all built in China, it provide jobs and have a tech spillover to the civillian industry. They never learn....
The same things happen for Pakistan.

If India gets Rafale, they immediately rush for J10 fighter


It's never ending game actually... Don't try to Target India, the same gets apply when USA gets something than china start following it
 
Got to agree with that

TBF I don't think they are trying to match

But they need something to keep some form of deterrence in place especially at sea ...we need our Indian ocean to be free for our imports of energy and exports

We already have deterrence. IRBMs that can hit moving targets. Designed to toast Chinese carriers frim 1000s of miles away

 
It’s disrespectful for china to be habitually compared to India. India is a third world country with relatively limited technological prowess while China is a legitimate super power that aspires to be a global hegemon.

There’s not a single credible metric that India comes anywhere close to China.

This nonsense needs to stop.

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●We've achieved a significant milestone with our shipborne S-band naval radar, far surpassing China's aspirations. The Indian Navy has successfully integrated and operationalized it on INS Anvesh, positioning it to compete head-to-head with the USN's AN/SPY-6 system.
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●The Indian Navy has already conducted successful tests of a shipborne Ballistic Missile Defense (BMD) system utilizing this advanced naval S-band radar, placing India far ahead of China, which is yet to achieve similar milestones.
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Lol...

The indigenousness ends there

The widely applauded indigenousness of Vikrant ends here, as nearly 70% of its ‘fight’ content and an almost equal proportion of its ‘move’ category is imported, adding substantially to its escalated building cost and taking the sheen off the Ministry of Defence (MoD)’s and IN’s indigeous claims. The former grouping includes 30 fighters and assorted helicopters, which Vikrant will eventually embark after completing flight trials, ahead of becoming fully operational and deployable as a battleworthy platform some 15 months from now, by end-2023.

Vikrant’s fighter component will, for now, comprise Russian MiG-29K/KUB fighters and Kamov Ka-31 ‘Helix’ early warning and control (AEW&C) helicopters and Lockheed Martin/Sikorsky MH-60R multi-role rotary craft. The 26 multi-role carrier-borne fighters (MRCBF), including eight twin-seat trainers, that the IN plans on acquiring, to supplement and eventually replace the operationally deficient MiG-29K/KUBs, too will be imported. The navy is presently evaluating France’s Rafale (M) and Boeing’s F/A-18E/F ‘Super Hornet’ fighters for acquisition, in a long-delayed move that has triggered harsh criticism from senior service veterans.

Former IN Chief of Staff Admiral Arun Prakash, for instance, told Reuters on the eve of Vikrant’s September 2 commissioning that due to India’s ‘typically disjointed decision-making process’ the selection of carrier-based fighter got de-linked from the carrier project, and a decision on it was yet to be taken.

We knew the ship was likely to be commissioned this year, Admiral Prakash stated, and hence the selection process, as well as negotiations for the fighter, should have started well in time, perhaps three to four years earlier. He also said that while Vikrant had successfully undertaken sea trials, aircraft operations were yet to commence. “One hopes it will be a success story all the way,” the highly decorated aviator added.

Retired IN Captain Kamlesh Agnihotri from the National Maritime Foundation in New Delhi echoed Admiral Prakash and told Reuters that since the air wing was the main weapon of any carrier to render it operational and not having one was a ‘critical shortfall. It also prevented the carrier from being ‘exploited optimally’, he added.

Furthermore, Vikrant’s Aviation Facility Complex that includes arrestor gears, short-take-off but arrested recovery (STOBAR) systems for launch and recovery of fighters, and related diverse flight handling equipment – yet to be fitted onto the carrier – was from Russia’s Nevskoe Design Bureau. The carrier’s two aircraft lifts, used to house fighters three decks below the flight deck for storage, servicing and to be armed and bring them back up again, were from the UK, while the ammunition lifts were of US origin, and the aircraft hangar doors were Swedish.

Vikrant was also armed with 32 Israeli-origin Barak-8 Medium Range Surface-to-Air missiles (MR-SAMs) that are manufactured by Bharat Dynamics Limited in collaboration with Israel Aerospace Industries(IAI)-Elta. These, in turn, were supported by the Israeli EL/M-2248 MF-STAR multi-function active electronically scanned array radar, which too is reportedly yet to be fitted onto Vikrant.

Additionally, the carriers ‘move’ function was powered by four US General Electric LM-2500 gas turbines manufactured at the multinational’s Evendale plant in Ohio, but tested by the Industrial & Marine Gas Turbine Division of the public sector Hindustan Aeronautics Limited under a previous agreement. Collectively, these turbines generate 88MW or 120,000 hp that provide a maximum speed of 28 knots or 52km/hour to the carrier that has an operational endurance of 7.550 nm or 13,900 km.

Moreover, Project 71 also featured essential input from several foreign shipbuilders like France’s DCNS – now Naval Group – in the 1990s to audit CSL and Italy’s Fincantieri, to oversee Vikrant’s design and propulsion system integration in a $30-40 million contract agreed in mid-2004. Although the technical segment of this arrangement has been completed, Fincantieri’s association with Vikrant was committed to continuing through the duration of its sea trials to its commissioning, but it’s not known whether this relationship has concluded or continued. Spain’s state-owned Navantia shipbuilders were also believed to have been marginally involved in providing design expertise related to the carrier’s air groups integration.

Future expansions needed

“While it’s admirable for CSL and Indian industry to have contributed notably and successfully to Vikrant’s float aspect, their success in the move and fight category that is vital to all carriers is greatly restricted,” said a retired two-star IN officer. This needed expanding for any such future platform to qualify as an inclusive indigenous platform, he added, declining to be identified for commenting on such a sensitive matter.

Despite the government’s continuing hype over the atmanirbharta initiative to indigenously source defence equipment, India’s defence industrial complex still remains one in the making. And, despite the involvement of private manufacturers over the past two decades, it is one with relatively competent engineering skills, but limited developmental expertise, and an inordinately high dependence on imported systems and components like engines, radar and electronic warfare units, amongst others.

The import content, for example, in India’s three showcase indigenous platforms – the Tejas light combat aircraft, Arjun main battle tank and Dhruv Advanced Light Helicopter – all of which were developed after interminable delays and massive cost overruns, averages 50-60%.

Consequently, all three platforms, in accordance with the MoD’s frequently revised Defence Procurement/Acquisition Procedures, stand disqualified as ‘indigenous’ due to their high import content. And, even the IN, for its part, credited with doggedly localising its warship building, compared to the indigenisation affected by the two other services, had emerged largely as a systems integrator, as demonstrated to a large degree by Vikrant.

Perhaps, it’s time for the MoD and the armed forces to look at indigenisation with an element of practicality and realism.
 

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