Balochistan Terrorism Watch

[Sparten]

if you start supporting Mengal, then that Bugti will be anti-military and pro-BLA.
The thing is, we exploit tribal enmity for our benefit. We never focused on people but on tribal sardars (colonial policy continuation).
The locals only feel safe under their tribe. If they get sick, need education, protection, etc., the govt doesn't help them but their tribes.

Even if you start development today, the locals would see that an extension of occupation (school/building as military garrisons, road as a means to transport military vehicles). It will take time even after development to change that mindset. @M. Sarmad your take?

Due, we have put a metric fuckton of money in that cursed place for 2 decades and we have gotten rewarded with this,
1. So many "naraz Baloch youth" got scholarships in universities and promptlye became BLA fighters upon return
2. Countless development projects, which got attacked.
3. To make sure locals got jobs hired them, for stuff they were not qualified for, and they murdered trainers an rexperts sent to teach them.
4. A "proud people". Porud of what? The fact they can't make a pair of shoelaces?

 

[ghazi52]

BREAKING
BALOCHISTAN: OPERATION SHABAN
SUNDAY: JULY 12: ELEVEN O'CLOCK THIRTY MINUTES: UPDATE

Aerial and ground operations in the area against the Kharijite insurgency continue unabated

During the latest operations, 3 more Kharijites were killed

From July 5 to date, a total of 105 Kharijites have been killed in Operation Shaban and other intelligence-based operations

Operation Shaban in Balochistan will continue until the last terrorist is eliminated.

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[Goenitz]

Due, we have put a metric fuckton of money in that cursed place for 2 decades and we have gotten rewarded with this,
1. So many "naraz Baloch youth" got scholarships in universities and promptlye became BLA fighters upon return
2. Countless development projects, which got attacked.
3. To make sure locals got jobs hired them, for stuff they were not qualified for, and they murdered trainers an rexperts sent to teach them.
4. A "proud people". Porud of what? The fact they can't make a pair of shoelaces?

The US has spent billions in Pak. When we thought they were strengthening anti-Pak factions, we played a double game with that.
BTW, when Kiyani (after Mushi) started inducting Baloch recruits in the Army, the insurgency went down.
The continuation of missing persons, death squads, misrepresentation, etc, has outshined the investment benefits.

They break the roads and destroy the bridges so that mineral and troop transportation should cease. See from their perspective.

 

[Goenitz]

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A day late and a dollar short.

 

[M. Sarmad]

Your point is just the scenario where one is debating "which one first? Chicken or Egg?

The problem is that when a large chunk of population is not tolerant enough and support the killing of engineers, laborer, teachers who are there to build something tangible for them then what is the point?

How to download development and doodh shehd ki nehrain in Balochistan?
If an investor from Karachi or Lahore wants to setup some industry in Balochistan because there is some f***king reservoir nearby can he do that?

You were talking about symptoms and disease, you know what why these demonstrations and dharna happened in Ziarat after the martyrdom of policemen?

The answer is shameful.. because these were their own ethnicity. Pashtuns from their own tribes. For them they are angry towards state and doing dharna and what not?

Have you heard of any protest, even slightest condemnations from this population or any all parties conference or Mengal and Co. when Punjabis are getting murdered in dozens?

You too are proving my point without realizing it..... You are still describing the symptoms and mistaking them for the disease...

Nobody is defending the murder of workers, engineers, teachers, or civilians.... The question is why, after decades of security operations and managing sardars instead of ordinary citizens, we are still discussing the same problems....

And frankly, "some people support terrorists" is not an explanation.... Every insurgency in history has had sympathizers... The real question is why those sympathies exist in the first place...

You guys keep pointing at the flame while sidestepping the actual question that why the house keeps catching fire...

Until that question is answered, you are treating a legitimacy crisis as a policing problem and wondering why it never goes away.... You can keep counting bodies and condemning atrocities, and you should.... But unless you address the underlying legitimacy deficit and alienation, you will be having this exact same conversation 20 years from now....

 

[M. Sarmad]

Due, we have put a metric fuckton of money in that cursed place for 2 decades and we have gotten rewarded with this,
1. So many "naraz Baloch youth" got scholarships in universities and promptlye became BLA fighters upon return
2. Countless development projects, which got attacked.
3. To make sure locals got jobs hired them, for stuff they were not qualified for, and they murdered trainers an rexperts sent to teach them.
4. A "proud people". Porud of what? The fact they can't make a pair of shoelaces?

Thank you for demonstrating the mindset we are talking about....

Millions of Baloch get judged by the actions of a few militants/terrorists, while every policy failure gets blamed on the people themselves....

And if after throwing a "metric fuckton of money" at the problem for 2 decades the outcome is still the same, perhaps the strategy deserves scrutiny before an entire population does...... Many Baloch(rightly or wrongly) believe Pakistan takes far more from Balochistan than it gives back, and that projects like CPEC were designed primarily for the benefit of the federation/state rather than local communities/Baloch..... You may disagree with that perception, but dismissing it doesn't make it disappear...

The shoelace comment is particularly revealing.... We have seen this movie before... . Yesterday it was "short, classless Bengalis".... today it's "jahil, useless Baloch." .... Every generation seems to find a new population to mock and belittle, then acts surprised when resentment follows.... The labels change, the arrogance remains, and then we wonder why integration keeps failing....

 

[Goenitz]

And if after throwing a "metric fuckton of money" at the problem for 2 decades the outcome is still the same, perhaps the strategy deserves scrutiny before an entire population does...... Many Baloch(rightly or wrongly) believe Pakistan takes far more from Balochistan than it gives back, and that projects like CPEC were designed primarily for the benefit of the federation/state rather than local communities/Baloch..... You may disagree with that perception, but dismissing it doesn't make it disappear...

Sui gas is one example of why they frequently destroyed that 'development'.
After discovery, a pipeline was drawn to Karachi, then Punjab and then Quetta, I think. Locals were so 'happy' about it from the beginning, but they expressed only after Bugti's demise.

 

[Jango]

Good to see a semi large scale op, but the fact that we have to pound arty at enemy positions (meaning they are consolidated enough), is a failure itself. Has no one been paying any attention whatsoever?

This is why local policing is important, but as I said before, we need to come up with a better surveillance and combing strategy now. Having autonomous drone tracks is child's play these days, invest in that capability, and stop buying Gulfstreams for yourself.

 

[M. Sarmad]

Sui gas is one example of why they frequently destroyed that 'development'.
After discovery, a pipeline was drawn to Karachi, then Punjab and then Quetta, I think. Locals were so 'happy' about it from the beginning, but they expressed only after Bugti's demise.

Exactly.... Sui became a powerful symbol:... the gas left, the wealth left, but the underdevelopment stayed....

Whether that perception is fully accurate is almost irrelevant... For many locals, Sui was proof that their resources benefited everyone except themselves.

The tragedy is that Pakistan did pay..... trillions in royalties to the provincial government and billions in rents to the Bugti sardars...... but that wealth never reached the ordinary people of Sui or Balochistan...

The problem wasn't simply who extracted the gas.... It was who got paid, who benefited, and who was forgotten.