CCS clears AMCA for IAF

[Maarkhoor]

Cannot wait to see it, but again - I know I'm the one who constantly ruins the parties - seeing is believing.

So let's wait if not again as in the Tejas mk.2 program it will be delayed.

You need to wait at least 25 years.

 

[DDG-80]

Midhani are already supplying critical materials for the bulkhead frame of AMCA. Another 4 to 5 critical materials are at the development stage for AMCA. AFAIK, Midhani supplied the first Titanium alloy slab for the bulkhead years ago and machining of the same had already started years ago. 2021 or 2022 if I remember right. The whole 5th gen AMCA airframe will have titanium alloys. Enormous potential from a-z in defence.

 

[kaku]

Let me be honest here. There were interviews with officials including former ADA Chief Girish Deodhare that gave timelines like metal cutting to start in Feb 2022 and prototype roll-out in 2023. Fan boys didn't come up with these dates out of thin air. Knowing Dr Deodhare, I'm pretty certain that they felt that the first prototype could be built with existing funds, without having to wait for CCS sanction for the Tejas Mk2 program. But that didn't happen and as it ended up, it made them look bad.

Fact is that Program Management is a very important aspect of such complex programs. If there are many factors that define when a program will see a roll-out or first flight then it is best to mention those when giving dates.

Anyway, now that CCS sanction has come, funds will begin to flow. Now, a 36 month timeline will be a reality, and a proper schedule for building the first prototype, first taxi trials, first flight, etc. will be created.

Indeed there were, but those claims were made when the whole program was in ambiguity due to non sanctions of funds.

And everyone make claims, this is not new, was it not Germans who made similar claims regarding Captor E in MMRCA deal back in 2010. And if you are defence analyst for long, like he claim to be, then you should understand these intricacies.

But then using patronising tone for Indians, for what?

Is it some bigger agenda by GoI, and a cyber army launched against them? , lol these guys.

They have no idea about Indian defence industry, but act like they know everything. Saurav Jha say absolutely correct about them.

 

[DDG-80]

PTC industries - new acquisition of VAR for manufacturing of Titanium ingots.

PTC industries - technological tieup with Midhani

Midhani are already supplying critical materials for the bulkhead frame of AMCA. Another 4 to 5 critical materials are at the development stage for AMCA. AFAIK, Midhani supplied the first Titanium alloy slab for the bulkhead years ago and machining of the same had already started years ago. 2021 or 2022 if I remember right. The whole 5th gen AMCA airframe will have titanium alloys. Enormous potential from a-z in defence.

 

[MirageBlue]

Good news.... but still can't see this program taking any speed.... this is just approval given..... knowing our speed funds allocation may take another 1 or 2 or even 3 years easily..... then the prototype construction will start..... meanwhile knowing retarded IAF they may come again with some "CHANGES" and delay it further....

If CCS sanction has been given, then timelines are also defined. The program will now definitely pick up speed, but the issue at hand is that the Special Purpose Vehicle (SPV) to build the AMCA in a Public-Private partnership model hasn't been finalized.

It would've been ideal to have it ready by now so that the JV would be the one building the AMCA prototype. Now it'll just be HAL and it's suppliers, from both public and private sectors.

 

[DDG-80]

Midhani are already supplying critical materials for the bulkhead frame of AMCA. Another 4 to 5 critical materials are at the development stage for AMCA. AFAIK, Midhani supplied the first Titanium alloy slab for the bulkhead years ago and machining of the same had already started years ago. 2021 or 2022 if I remember right. The whole 5th gen AMCA airframe will have titanium alloys. Enormous potential from a-z in defence.

PTC industries - new acquisition of VAR for manufacturing of Titanium ingots.
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PTC industries - technological tieup with Midhani
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[MirageBlue]

The Idea of parallel development is truly lost to us Indians.
We can not even comprehend anything beyond a step by step process.
Is CDR really so important that you won't release funds for even basic ground testing.

systems level CDR will not causing any changes in the basic airframe so why not fund atleast fund that while CDR is going on.

Same case happened with Tejas mk 2 and now with AMCA and I am 100% sure will happen with TEDBF.

Yes it is that important. You don't start building something as safety critical as systems, software and LRUs for a fighter airplane without having first done all the necessary reviews.

Remember, it is not just the airframe that has to be built- it is also hundreds of systems, millions of lines of software code, all of which need to be rigorously tested and reviewed before putting them even on a prototype that will be flown.

 

[DDG-80]

but the issue at hand is that the Special Purpose Vehicle (SPV) to build the AMCA in a Public-Private partnership model hasn't been finalized.

MK1 wont be a SPV

 

[MirageBlue]

MK1 wont be a SPV

Source for that?

There will be 40 units of AMCA Mk1 (with the GE F-414-INS6 engine) built. That's a sizeable number. And it doesn't make sense to go for the SPV only after that, since by then the AMCA assembly line will already have to be built with most of the AMCA requirements already having to be met.

 

[kmc_chacko]

Cannot wait to see it, but again - I know I'm the one who constantly ruins the parties - seeing is believing.

So let's wait if not again as in the Tejas mk.2 program it will be delayed.

any delay of 3-4 years in Mk2 induction is acceptable since Mk1A is under production it can be enhanced and expanded for full fill the shortfall.

I would prefer Tejas Mk2 to be a test bed plane rather an end product since it can be used to develop technology for larger Single, Twin & Future Gen fighter planes.

IAF & IN both are in need of MCA (Single Engine), ORCA/TEDBF (Twin Engine), AMCA (5th Gen)

 

[MirageBlue]

AMCA model at ADA..gives a clear idea of the final configuration

 

[MirageBlue]

any delay of 3-4 years in Mk2 induction is acceptable since Mk1A is under production it can be enhanced and expanded for full fill the shortfall.

I would prefer Tejas Mk2 to be a test bed plane rather an end product since it can be used to develop technology for larger Single, Twin & Future Gen fighter planes.

IAF & IN both are in need of MCA (Single Engine), ORCA/TEDBF (Twin Engine), AMCA (5th Gen)

Tejas Mk2 is one of the most important 4.5 gen fighters in the IAF's plans. Will provide an affordable replacement for Mirage-2000s, MiG-29s and Jaguars while keeping operating costs MUCH lower than twin engine 5th gen AMCA.

 

[kaku]

any delay of 3-4 years in Mk2 induction is acceptable since Mk1A is under production it can be enhanced and expanded for full fill the shortfall.

I would prefer Tejas Mk2 to be a test bed plane rather an end product since it can be used to develop technology for larger Single, Twin & Future Gen fighter planes.

IAF & IN both are in need of MCA (Single Engine), ORCA/TEDBF (Twin Engine), AMCA (5th Gen)

Tejas Mk2 going to be inducted at large number, atleast 400-500. It is important for airforce.

Even in 2050, we would be procuring new airframes of Tejas Mk2,,, be it form of Mk2 A/B/C,

 

[kaku]

Source for that?

There will be 40 units of AMCA Mk1 (with the GE F-414-INS6 engine) built. That's a sizeable number. And it doesn't make sense to go for the SPV only after that, since by then the AMCA assembly line will already have to be built with most of the AMCA requirements already having to be met.

AlphaDefense, I think posted it on twitter. SPV waiver is part of CCS clearance.

 

[Indos]

AMCA model at ADA..gives a clear idea of the final configuration
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You have the plane wind tunnel model photo right ? I saw you posted it in old PDF