Chengdu J-20 5th Generation Aircraft News & Discussions

[Irfan Usmani 1977]

J-20 is also equipped with modern aesa radar and pl-15,pl-17 and pl-21. J-31/j-35 is slightly larger than f-35 but not by much.

Only PL15 and only PL10, PL17 is too big for J20 to carry in its internal bays and there's no pl21 so far, China doesn't have any comparable BVR of meteor ( ramjet or ducted motor) BVR so far

 

[YourDaddy]

Only PL15 and only PL10, PL17 is too big for J20 to carry in its internal bays and there's no pl21 so far, China doesn't have any comparable BVR of meteor ( ramjet or ducted motor) BVR so far

Lies again Chinese missiles are much better stop say dreaming dude

 

[Irfan Usmani 1977]

Mistype can happen man sheesh but don't need to get triggered over every little small thing I type lol I type too fast so mistake do happen but u know what I'm referring to.

I don't have any idea what is you typed

 

[YourDaddy]

I don't have any idea what is you typed

Pl-21 is a thing don't deny stuff u know nothing about and it's powered by ramjet

 

[Irfan Usmani 1977]

Lies again Chinese missiles are much better stop say dreaming dude

Yes on paper but not battle proven in any war

And PL17 is very big BVR almost have length of 20 feet can't fits in the inside of internal bays of J20, it's only tested from J16 and operational with J16 and not for intercepting fighter jets but slow moving/big RCS targets like AWACS/tankers and ISR platforms

 

[YourDaddy]

Only PL15 and only PL10, PL17 is too big for J20 to carry in its internal bays and there's no pl21 so far, China doesn't have any comparable BVR of meteor ( ramjet or ducted motor) BVR so far

PL-16
A further development of PL-15 that allows J-20's internal weapons bay to carry six missiles simultaneously (whereas PL-15 is quad-packed). The PL-16 missile, while smaller in dimension, features a compressed airframe, folded fins, and a high-performance dual-pulse motor to deliver the same performance as the regular PL-15

Yes on paper but not battle proven in any war

And PL17 is very big BVR almost have length of 20 feet can't fits in the inside of internal bays of J20, it's only tested from J16 and operational with J16 and not for intercepting fighter jets but slow moving/big RCS targets like AWACS/tankers and ISR platforms

Doesn't matter if it's battle proven or not. Reaper 9 is also battle proven and shot down like flies in Yemen (7 in less than one year) must be a record lol u know j-20 will not go alone right, j-16 is there and there are currently 350+ of em in service alongside awacs.j-16 is a missile truck bro aything that approaches will be shot down like butter with a hot kitchen knife

 

[Irfan Usmani 1977]

Pl-21 is a thing don't deny stuff u know nothing about and it's powered by ramjet

Where the Pic and specifications of it? Chinese military aviation blog post said it had been tested from ground based launcher after 2010 successfully but after that it disappeared from view, there's no concrete evidence that PLAAF have ramjet powered BVR in their arsenal

 

[YourDaddy]

Where the Pic and specifications of it? Chinese military aviation blog post said it had been tested from ground based launcher after 2010 successfully but after that it disappeared from view, there's no concrete evidence that PLAAF have ramjet powered BVR in their arsenal

Just because u don't see doesn't mean it don't exist. Weapons are carried internally inside weapon. Bay of j-20

 

[YourDaddy]

Where the Pic and specifications of it? Chinese military aviation blog post said it had been tested from ground based launcher after 2010 successfully but after that it disappeared from view, there's no concrete evidence that PLAAF have ramjet powered BVR in their arsenal

Does America have equivalent of yj-21 anti ship missiles?????

 

[BonitoBoy]

Got this from someone. Take it with a grain of salt lol

Here's a little summary I made some time ago:

DO NOT TAKE THE FIGURES I LISTED AS FACTUAL. THEY'RE MERELY FOR REFERENCE, AND NOT OFFICIALLY CONFIRMED.

WS-9: Based on the Rolls Royce Spey. Used by JH-7/7A.

WS-10 series: Low bypass, high-thrust class, equipped on J-10C, J-11B and later models, J-16, interim engine for J-20 (WS-10C), and soon to be equipped on J-15B. Basically equivalent to the F110. Developed from the CFM-56 core, with AL-31 characteristics. Dramatic improvement in TBO time, thrust, reliability, etc. as development went on. There's also a 3D TVC testbed equipped on a J-10. WS-10B *allegedly* have a wet thrust of ~130-145 kN. WS-10c (141kn 32000 lbf). WS-10g (152-155kn 34000-35000 lbf)

WS-13: Low bypass, medium-thrust class, developed from RD-93. Equipped allegedly on the JF-17, and FC-31/J-35 prototypes. Developed into the WS-13E/21.

WS-15: Low bypass, high-thrust class, potentially the most advanced high-thrust engine to be fitted in a twin-engine fighter yet. Indigenous design, basically the equivalent to the F119. To be fitted in J-20A and potentially the J-20S. *Allegedly* have a wet thrust of ~181 kN.

WS-17: Low bypass, low-thrust class, and (I believe) non-afterburning. Equipped in trainer jets like the JL-10.

WS-18: Medium bypass, developed from the Soviet D-30. Equipped as an interim option on Y/YY-20.

WS-19: Low bypass, medium-thrust class. Indigenous design, equivalent to the EJ-2x0/F414-EPE. Currently undergoing tests and to be equipped on the J-35/31. ‘Confirmed’ thrust of around 10 tonnes-force (~98 kN), but I've heard figures of a maximum wet thrust of ~112.8 kN (UNCONFIRMED).

WS-20: High bypass, based on the WS-10 core. There's also rumours saying it's based on the CFM-56-5B/7B. To be equipped on Y/YY-20.

WS-21: Also known as WS-13E, developed from the base WS-13. Improved life cycle , MBTO and thrust. Interim engine option for the J-35/31. 9 tonnes-force (88 kN) for wet thrust. Wikipedia states 100 kN though for whatever reason.

WS-6/8/12 are cancelled projects.

Got this from someone. Take it with a grain of salt lol

Here's a little summary I made some time ago:

DO NOT TAKE THE FIGURES I LISTED AS FACTUAL. THEY'RE MERELY FOR REFERENCE, AND NOT OFFICIALLY CONFIRMED.

WS-9: Based on the Rolls Royce Spey. Used by JH-7/7A.

WS-10 series: Low bypass, high-thrust class, equipped on J-10C, J-11B and later models, J-16, interim engine for J-20 (WS-10C), and soon to be equipped on J-15B. Basically equivalent to the F110. Developed from the CFM-56 core, with AL-31 characteristics. Dramatic improvement in TBO time, thrust, reliability, etc. as development went on. There's also a 3D TVC testbed equipped on a J-10. WS-10B *allegedly* have a wet thrust of ~130-145 kN. WS-10c (141kn 32000 lbf). WS-10g (152-155kn 34000-35000 lbf)

WS-13: Low bypass, medium-thrust class, developed from RD-93. Equipped allegedly on the JF-17, and FC-31/J-35 prototypes. Developed into the WS-13E/21.

WS-15: Low bypass, high-thrust class, potentially the most advanced high-thrust engine to be fitted in a twin-engine fighter yet. Indigenous design, basically the equivalent to the F119. To be fitted in J-20A and potentially the J-20S. *Allegedly* have a wet thrust of ~181 kN.

WS-17: Low bypass, low-thrust class, and (I believe) non-afterburning. Equipped in trainer jets like the JL-10.

WS-18: Medium bypass, developed from the Soviet D-30. Equipped as an interim option on Y/YY-20.

WS-19: Low bypass, medium-thrust class. Indigenous design, equivalent to the EJ-2x0/F414-EPE. Currently undergoing tests and to be equipped on the J-35/31. ‘Confirmed’ thrust of around 10 tonnes-force (~98 kN), but I've heard figures of a maximum wet thrust of ~112.8 kN (UNCONFIRMED).

WS-20: High bypass, based on the WS-10 core. There's also rumours saying it's based on the CFM-56-5B/7B. To be equipped on Y/YY-20.

WS-21: Also known as WS-13E, developed from the base WS-13. Improved life cycle , MBTO and thrust. Interim engine option for the J-35/31. 9 tonnes-force (88 kN) for wet thrust. Wikipedia states 100 kN though for whatever reason.

WS-6/8/12 are cancelled projects.

Engine Model​	Variant​	Derived / Developed From​	Thrust​	Designed For / Deployed On​	Status​	Remarks​
WS-5​	Base Variant​	Modified version of WP-6​	N/A​	H-5​	Cancelled​	​
WS-6​	Base Variant​	N/A​	122 kN (27,500 lbf)​	J-9, J-13, Q-6​	Cancelled​
WS-6A​	101.69 kN (22,860 lbf)​	Cancelled​
WS-8​	Base Variant​	N/A​	80 kN (18,000 lbf)​	Y-10​	Cancelled​
WS-9​	Base Variant​	Rolls-Royce Spey RB.168 Mk 202​	91.2 kN (20,500 lbf)​	JH-7, JH-7A​	In-Service​
WS-9A​	Improved Version of WS-9​	97 kN (22,000 lbf)​
WS-10​	Base Variant​	CFM56​	120 kN (27,000 lbf)​	J-8​	Discontinued​
WS-10A​	Improved Variant of WS-10 with FADEC​	J-10B J-11B J-15 J-16​	Discontinued​
WS-10B​	Improved Version of WS-10A​	135 kN (30,000 lbf)​	J-10C J-16 J-20 (LRIP)​	In-Service​
WS-10B-3​	Improved Version of WS-10A with TVC​	J-10B (Demonstrator) J-20B (Prototype)​	Discontinued​
WS-10C​	Improved Version of WS-10B​	142 kN (32,000 lbf).​	J-20A​	In-Service​	with Stealthier serrated exhaust Feathers
WS-10G​	Improved Version of WS-10C with 3D TVC​	152 kN (34,000 lbf).​	J20​	Testing / Evaluating​
WS-10H​	Naval Variant (Testbed)​	N/A​	J-15 (Prototype)​	Testing​
WS-11​	Base Variant​	Licensed Version of AI-25TLK​	17 kN (3,800 lbf)​	L-11​	In-Service​
WS-12​	Base Variant​	N/A​	85 kN (19,000 lbf)​	N/A​	Cancelled​
WS-13​	Base Variant​	RD-93​	86 kN (19,500 lbf)​	JF-17/ FC-1, GJ-11, CH-7​	In Service​
WS-13A​	Improved Version of WS-13 (High Bypass)​	Testing / Evaluating​
WS-13E​	Improved Version of WS-13A​	93 kN (21,000 lbf)​	JF-17-III/FC-1, FC-31/J-31/J35​	aka WS-21
WS-15​	Base Variant​	Self-Developed​	156 kN (35,000 lbf)​	J-20​	Serial Production​
WS-17​	Base Variant​	Licensed Version of AI-222​	36 kN (11,000 lbf)​	L-15​	In-Service​
WS-18​	Base Variant​	D-30KP-2​	120 kN (27,000 lbf)​	H-6K, Y-20​	In-Service​
WS-19​	Base Variant​	Self-Developed​	98 kN (22,000 lbf)​	FC-31/J-31/J35​	Testing / Evaluating​
WS-20​	Base Variant​	Self-Developed​	156 kN 35,000 lbf)​	Y-20, YY-20​	Testing / Evaluating​
WS-21​	Base Variant​	WS-13​	93.2 kN (21,000 lbf)​	FC-31/J-31/J35​	Testing / Evaluating​

 

[YourDaddy]

Where the Pic and specifications of it? Chinese military aviation blog post said it had been tested from ground based launcher after 2010 successfully but after that it disappeared from view, there's no concrete evidence that PLAAF have ramjet powered BVR in their arsenal

And this from h-6k bomber for us navy. Man china is building some very lethal missiles both air to air and to ship watch out brom don't mess with h-6k bomber that boy can whoop some ass with awacs .
YJ-21 ASBM with HGV YJ-21 first of its kind baby on type 055. China has everything all kind of missiles . I dare anyone to try it. I don't doubt pl-15,pl-17,or pl-21 spec either if this is what I'm seeing from the pla with their anti ship missiles.

 

[Irfan Usmani 1977]

PL-16
A further development of PL-15 that allows J-20's internal weapons bay to carry six missiles simultaneously (whereas PL-15 is quad-packed). The PL-16 missile, while smaller in dimension, features a compressed airframe, folded fins, and a high-performance dual-pulse motor to deliver the same performance as the regular PL-15

PL16 is currently in development not in production

u know j-20 will not go alone right, j-16 is there and there are currently 350+ of em in service alongside awacs.

But its compromise missions success, J16 is not stealth jet along with PL17 it will have huge RCS and Chinese opponents like South Korea/Japan also have AWACS that can detect J16 with PL17 at very long range and take evasive maneuvers or will deploy EW/ECM and ECCM against attacking PL17 and will deploy chaff and flare to disguise PL17

 

[Michael]

@Irfan Usmani 1977 @YourDaddy​

You've managed to pollute thread after thread. Stop！

 

[YourDaddy]

PL16 is currently in development not in production
But its compromise missions success, J16 is not stealth jet along with PL17 it will have huge RCS and Chinese opponents like South Korea/Japan also have AWACS that can detect J16 with PL17 at very long range and take evasive maneuvers or will deploy EW/ECM and ECCM against attacking PL17 and will deploy chaff and flare to disguise PL17

Lmao we have more awacs than both of em. And more will be produced so what are u on about there are 60 kj-500 alone if not more. Did I say j-16 will be going alone?? We have missiles of max range so your point is lol

 

[Irfan Usmani 1977]

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And this from h-6k bomber for us navy. Man china is building some very lethal missiles both air to air and to ship watch out brom don't mess with h-6k bomber that boy can whoop some ass with awacs .
YJ-21 ASBM with HGV YJ-21 ASBM with HGV first of its kind baby on type 055. China has everything all kind of missiles . I dare anyone to try it. View attachment 62125

Lol this is not BVR but Chinese version of Russian Kinzhal, AIR LAUNCH BALLISTIC MISSILES do some research before you post crap