Chengdu J-20 5th Generation Aircraft News & Discussions

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They have slow down for J-20 and is currently ramping up the production for J-20A.
 
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😳 the guy in the podcast said the backlog of order of J-10CE is already reaching three digit.
 
Shui said:
CAC has started their new year production and test flight.

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Lately, the weather here has been bad, with very low visibility.
A cold wave has arrived, causing a rapid drop in temperature across a large area of China. The Sichuan Basin is slightly better, but it's still very cold. My hands are completely frozen...
 
niubi said:
Not only that F-35 is a smaller, lighter, single engined multirole fighter compared to J-20, large, heavy, twin engine air superiority focused. There are only about 800-900 F-35 in USAF, USMC, and USN service.

There is 1300 total F-35 built but about 400 of those are for European allies. And even then, the vast majority of USA's 800 to 900 F-35 are based in the US. Let's say half are based around China and include Japan and South Korea's 150 and 40 respectively. Let's call the Asian ones 200 total round up. That's 450 + 200 F-35s in China's vicinity. 650 total. Out of that at best 70% is operationally ready. Germany's fighter readiness rate was exposed to public by the Americans to be around 20%. So with J-20's 100+ per year, that will catch up and exceed F-35.

Furthermore F-22 is increasingly outdated despite it flying incredibly well. Modern BVR is something the F-22 is increasingly less capable in unless it gets upgrades to network with rest of USAF and USN fighters which at the moment it is not and this is according to the US themselves but maybe they are hiding. Anyway let's add the 100 or so F-22s in China's vicinity. That's 750 highly capable 5th gens PLAAF and PLANAF need to match and then exceed. And this is assuming 100% operational readiness which is entirely way off but whatever. China only has roughly 450 J-20 and J-35 combined. Need to double and by then there'll be around 900-1000 F-35 and F-22 in China's vicinity...

BUT...

F-35 orders for US service is roughly 100+ units per year as well and half of those will be home based and can't be easily transported over to China's vicinity during war - tankers and ships are going to be harassed. It's also still a small, light, single engine fighter with 4 AMRAAM capacity only at max internal carry. J-20 is 6 PL-16 with 2 PL-10 and J-35 is said to be also 6 PL-16 max internal capacity with no side bays.

China is spam building large, heavyweight CCAs they call unmanned air dominance fighter (UADF). When it is revealed, the world will know how many hundreds they already have at that point.

From 2030 China will have J-36 reach LRIP and limited tactic forming PLAAF service. J-50 is unknown but possibly early 2030s not far behind J-36.

Second generation UADFs will reach service with 6th gen manned fighters.

We should also remember that the F-22s and F-35s in China's vicinity are mostly ground airfield based well within reach of just MRBM fired from coast or IRBM fired from central China. Chinese hypersonic cruise missiles and HGVs from destroyers and now submarines (YJ-17, YJ-19 and submarine launched HGV which wasn't shown in September) really extend that reach and these are actually designed to hit mobile targets like ships. If not entirely removing the bases or carriers those fighters fly out of, at least barrages of ballistic, cruise and hypersonic glide and cruise missiles can erode the effectiveness of those fighters and reduce their sortie rates completely.

That's if China's 1000+ J-20, J-16, J-10C, J-15T, J-35 isn't already more than a match.

F-35 is still receiving GaN upgrade. J-20 started with GaN and J-20A has long since moved to GaN on SiC 4th generation AESA radars. US is still on 3rd generation AESA for F-35 and that is no GaN so really 2.5 gen. F-22 is on 1.5 gen AESA and has not received radar upgrade since F-22 introduction in mid 2000s.

We've gone from absolute US military dominance in western Pacific in 1990s to some challenges posed by early DF-21D in 2000s to effective Chinese A2AD in 2010s to near parity in western Pacific in 2020s.
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J20 or J35 hasn't shown to carry 6x AAM yet. However if it does so is F35, block 4 set to accommodate 6x AAM internally.

J20 didn't start with GaN AESA. There is no solid evidence of that yet. They might have moved on to GaN based AESA with redesigned J20A.

USMC F-18 super hornet block 4 today flies with GaN AESA. Doesn't mean its sensoring is better than that of F-35s.

It has lot to do with propulsion that is directly tied to electric power generation and cooling capacity. Where F35 still leads anything out there.

And GaN or GaAs doesn't exactly define generation.
 
Afif said:
J20 or J35 hasn't shown to carry 6x AAM yet. However if it does so is F35, block 4 set to accommodate 6x AAM internally.

J20 didn't start with GaN AESA. There is no solid evidence of that yet. They might have moved on to GaN based AESA with redesigned J20A.

USMC F-18 super hornet block 4 today flies with GaN AESA. Doesn't mean its sensoring is better than that of F-35s.

It has lot to do with propulsion that is directly tied to electric power generation and cooling capacity. Where F35 still leads anything out there.

And GaN or GaAs doesn't exactly define generation.
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  • F‑35 Lightning II: Powered by a single Pratt & Whitney F135 afterburning turbofan, producing up to 43,000 lbf (191 kN) thrust. It also generates over 400 kVA of electrical power, enough to support advanced avionics and sensors.

  • F/A‑18E/F Super Hornet: Uses 2 × General Electric F414‑GE‑400 afterburning turbofans, each producing about 22,000 lbf (98 kN) thrust, for a combined 44,000 lbf. Electrical generation is lower than the F‑35 but sufficient for radar and electronic warfare systems.

NOT MUCH DIFFERENCE IN PROPULSION
 
Cipher212 said:
This is the same J-20A same previously or there are more changes?
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These are photos officially released by CAC. Please interpret them yourselves.

The link below the original post is the official Weibo account of the CAC.
 
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