Honestly, we can assume but to be sure is IMO simpyl not enough information available even more so since the current WS-10C are still a generation behind the F119 and lack still thrust in comparison. As such, being newer and wishful think alone even more so in the absence of proof is a risky combination to think it is better.
Chengdu J-20 5th Generation Aircraft News & Discussions
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Honestly, we can assume but to be sure is IMO simpyl not enough information available even more so since the current WS-10C are still a generation behind the F119 and lack still thrust in comparison. As such, being newer and wishful think alone even more so in the absence of proof is a risky combination to think it is better.
Hendarto
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Remember, WS10C is only an interim engine. They not using WS 10 C for long within 1 or 2 years they will have the production model with WS 15. No, it is not wishful thinking it is reality. Nobody knows the exact thrust of WS 10C for sure so far all the data are guesses and using that the difference is not that much!
The likelihood of dog fights in modern warfare is nil. Radar AEW, an Infrared sensor, will decide it. BVR Missile, Data link, situation awareness, electronic support. All those facts are definitely better in J-20
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Come on … on the one side you say it is the best fighter in the world and after K only warn to be careful with such a bombastic statement you say in a few years it will use the WS-15 and then it is! Aka … today with the interim WS-10C it is most likely not on par and maneuverability wise we simply don’t know enough to be sure.
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Hendarto
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As I remember one of the pilots stated in an interview that J 20 with WS 10 C CAN SUPERCRUISE is that enough? All your statement is just your own opinion and not based on fact!
As I said before fighter jet today's effectiveness is not based just on mechanical power alone. The day of the dog fight is gone for good Now who can see first and has longer missiles will win any fight.
F-22 was designed in the late '80s when the best computer was a 16-bit computer. As anyone who deals with electronics knows 20 years is an eternity in computer and electronic progress. F22 will retire in the next 5years and J-20 just entered service in large number F-22 doesn't even has IRST
J-20 stealth fighter jet can easily reach supercruise, PLA confirms
By
Liu Xuanzun
Published: May 27, 2024 10:04 PM
Two J-20 stealth fighter jets attached to an aviation brigade of the PLA Air Force take off for a flight training exercise in early February of 2024. (eng.chinamil.com.cn/Photo by Liu Weipeng)
The Chinese military has confirmed that its J-20 stealth fighter jet can easily reach supercruise, which experts said on Monday can bring significant tactical advantages and reflect the power of China's domestically developed engines.
The J-20, a "Cross-Straits Lethality" weapon, is characterized by a high stealth capability that allows it to effortlessly penetrate a hostile air defense system, a high mobility that allows it to easily reach supercruise, and a high situational awareness that allows it to quickly identify targets and perform precision strikes, the PLA Eastern Theater Command said in a social media post on Sunday evening.
The J-20 is a sharp sword in the sky; a vanguard that leads to victory, and a go-to option in breaking down hostile defenses, the PLA Eastern Theater Command said.
Being able to perform supercruise easily indicates that China's domestically developed engines are powerful, and the J-20s equipped with them now have even stronger combat capabilities, analysts said.
The J-20's conversion to use domestically developed engines was revealed at the China Airshow 2021 in Zhuhai, South China's Guangdong Province. Earlier J-20s were reportedly equipped with Russia-made engines that analysts said did not support supercruise.
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NGAD IS THE BEST
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The question is that how fast J20 can supercruise with WS-10 engine like Typhoon which barely reaches supercruise in clean config or like F-22 with substantial supercruise capability (Mach 1.6 or well above 1000 miles/h)As I remember one of the pilots stated in an interview that J 20 with WS 10 C CAN SUPERCRUISE is that enough? All your statement is just your own opinion and not based on fact!
As I said before fighter jet today's effectiveness is not based just on mechanical power alone. The day of the dog fight is gone for good Now who can see first and has longer missiles will win any fight.
F-22 was designed in the late '80s when the best computer was a 16-bit computer. As anyone who deals with electronics knows 20 years is an eternity in computer and electronic progress. F22 will retire in the next 5years and J-20 just entered service in large number F-22 doesn't even has IRST
J-20 stealth fighter jet can easily reach supercruise, PLA confirms
By
Liu Xuanzun
Published: May 27, 2024 10:04 PM
Two J-20 stealth fighter jets attached to an aviation brigade of the PLA Air Force take off for a flight training exercise in early February of 2024. (eng.chinamil.com.cn/Photo by Liu Weipeng)
The Chinese military has confirmed that its J-20 stealth fighter jet can easily reach supercruise, which experts said on Monday can bring significant tactical advantages and reflect the power of China's domestically developed engines.
The J-20, a "Cross-Straits Lethality" weapon, is characterized by a high stealth capability that allows it to effortlessly penetrate a hostile air defense system, a high mobility that allows it to easily reach supercruise, and a high situational awareness that allows it to quickly identify targets and perform precision strikes, the PLA Eastern Theater Command said in a social media post on Sunday evening.
The J-20 is a sharp sword in the sky; a vanguard that leads to victory, and a go-to option in breaking down hostile defenses, the PLA Eastern Theater Command said.
Being able to perform supercruise easily indicates that China's domestically developed engines are powerful, and the J-20s equipped with them now have even stronger combat capabilities, analysts said.
The J-20's conversion to use domestically developed engines was revealed at the China Airshow 2021 in Zhuhai, South China's Guangdong Province. Earlier J-20s were reportedly equipped with Russia-made engines that analysts said did not support supercruise.
SiliconBit (silicon0000)
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and for how long it can sustain super cruise speed.
NGAD IS THE BEST
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We don't know this for every 5th gen jets in the world including F-22, its a classified information I think sir
Oscar
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Supercruise is not always linked to just engine thrust but also aircraft planform and relative drag and area rule.
J-20’s design makes it inherently easier to pass through the transonic regieme.
SiliconBit (silicon0000)
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We don't know this for every 5th gen jets in the world including F-22, its a classified information I think sir
The F-35, while not a "supercruising" aircraft, can fly at Mach 1.2 for a dash of 150 miles (240 km). So Sustaining speed without after burner is important.
NGAD IS THE BEST
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You're right sir but F35 uses high bypass engine which is not capable of supercruise at long ranges and F35 is not sleek and streamline design as F-22 and also I'm talking WS-10 engine which is in same class of F16 block 60 engine GE F-132 which have thrust of 32,000lbs
SiliconBit (silicon0000)
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Dear you and me saying same thing, You asked how fast, i just added how fast and how long. Rest your point and my point are same.
And I know F35 is not a "supercruising" aircraft.
Hendarto
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How do you know the thrust of WS10 c PLA never publishes their engine data Whatever you find on Wiki is a guess or shot in the dark in the dark. Nobody knows the real thrust. But there is an official statement from PLA that J20 can supercruise and has good handling and situation awareness.
Chinese engine has improved a lot in the last 5years but a lot of sceptics still lived in the past and worshipped Western tech as GOD No they are not god Ukraine prove it once for all
NGAD IS THE BEST
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Dude we are believe in estimated figures no airforce can give accurate figures but WS-10 is not intended for J20 and always consider as a INTERM ENGINE for J20, WS-15 is intended for J20 from day one, so with a WS-10 J20 is barely reaches supercruise I think, like Typhoon but with a WS-15 it will be the whole different story, no question about good handling of J20 but with current WS-10 engine it can't supercruise much faster and longer
And last we don't know the thrust of F-119 also (estimated 35.000 lbs)
And if WS-10 is OK for J20 then why you developed WS-15 for J20?
Hendarto
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WS-10 engine has been upgraded over time and reach maturity now. So it is not far from WS 15 as performance. Jet engines can either do supercruise or NOT the question of how long is irrelevant. The definition of supercruise is reaching supersonic speed without afterburner.So either they can do it or can't! Let me make it easier for you flip the light switch it is either on or off!
You guys are quibbling with facts because you guys delude yourself by believing in the hype of Western superiority! And can't accept the fact that Chinese engine is as good as anything that the west can't produce!
NGAD IS THE BEST
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You're just beginner of jet engine development, west making jet engines during the WW2 hence they're lots of experience then you
And my question remains same if WS-10 upgraded serval times and near the thrust of WS15 why do you need WS-15?
And remember dude P&W F100 F129 and GE 100 series and Russian AL-31 series is only good for 4th gen heavy jets like F15s and Su-27 which have much less max weight than 5th gen jets (around 60,000 lbs) but 5th gen much heavier than 4th gen jets (more than 80,000 lbs)
If you fit these engines good for 4th generation heavy jets on 5th gen jets , both engines and airframe has much less thrust to weight ratio than 5th generation engines and have a slightly more drag then lift because of lower thrust levels require continuous afterburning thrust to overcome the drag of 4th gen engines
I'm neutral guy brother, I'm always talk on facts and technical aspect of discussion
