China and India - How is India viewed in China?

[Joe Shearer]

The ones you are familiar with or have commonly heard of should be People’s Daily, Xinhua News Agency, CCTV, and China Daily.

Quite right.
A fascinating round-up.

 

[Nilgiri]

Great! Let's go with these two.

Ok editing and cleaning the thread up as required. I will also pin it as this has taken the baton from the older one. I will let older one act as some kind of archive (with its flotsam and jetsam in that earlier forum setting) that folks can peruse to their time and interest.

 

[Nilgiri]

My intention was to explore some of the reasons why India hates China (or India thinks China hates India). I don't know much about the professional members on the PDF, so I'm sending you an invitation to start the conversation.

For such controversial topics, we cannot look at the problem from a single angle one-sidedly, and we need to take different standpoints. If we only report and analyze through the Chinese media or the India media, we cannot see the essence of the problem.

Of course, this topic will inevitably extend to the broader Sino-Indian relationship. We can set up a topic for in-depth discussion on the causes of the current tension between China and India, which is more in line with the purpose of having an active in-depth discussion between the two sides. We can start with hot-button issues such as economic confrontation or military confrontation, so as to appropriately extend the broader Sino-Indian relationship.

Like what
India friends expressed concern about the current situation of China's troops stationed in the border areas, believing that this is China's "military threat" against India and planning to carry out "armed aggression" against India. I can make a rational analysis of these military deployments from the perspective of Chinese................
The India government's "economic blackmail" against some Chinese-invested companies in India has made Chinese companies very worried. Friends India can analyze these events from the perspective of India people...................
and so on

@Nilgiri I took a very good look at the "india-China relations" thread. It seems to have been heavily tainted (There are some guys that have been ignored by me, I can't see the full content, and I don't want to see these either). Whether it's continuing the original thread or restarting a new thread, I'm fine. But I hope it's a very rigorous discussion, and I don't want to be ruined by some ignorant nasty people, and that requires some effort on your part from the members of the management team..................

If you decide to start a new thread, you can either move the original statement over or start over completely. Some of the already widely considered nuisances can be banned from this new thread outright. While this may not seem like the rules of an open forum, I think it's a necessary step given the precedent of the destruction of many of PDF's great topics.

@Joe Shearer, the link you provided is completely inaccessible to me.

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我的本意，是希望对印度仇视中国（或者印度认为中国仇视印度）的原因进行一些探讨。我对PDF上的专业成员了解不多，所以才向您发出邀请，开启这个话题。

对于这种争议话题，不能片面的从单一角度看待问题，需要不同立场的态度。如果我们只通过中国媒体或者印度媒体的报道和分析，是无法看清问题的本质。

当然，这种话题会不可避免的延申到更为广泛的中印关系。我们可以建立一个对当前中印关系紧张的原因进行深度讨论的话题，这更符合彼此之间进行积极的深度讨论的目的。我们可以从经济对抗或者军事对抗这些热点问题开始，从而适度延申更为广泛的中印关系。

比如
印度朋友对当前中国在边境地区驻军的情况表示担忧，认为这是中国对印度实施"军事威胁"，计划对印度实施"武装侵略"。我可以从中国人的角度来对这些军事部署做理性的分析................
印度政府对一些中国在印度投资的企业实施"经济讹诈"，让中国企业非常担忧。各位印度朋友可以从印度人的角度来分析这些事件...................
诸如此类形式的互动

@Nilgiri 我非常认真的看了“india-china relations”线程。它似乎已经被严重污染（有一些家伙已经被我忽视，我看不到完整的内容，我也不想看到这些）。无论是继续原来的线程，还是重新开启一个新的线程，我都没问题。但我希望是一个非常严谨的讨论，不希望被一些无知的讨厌鬼破坏，这需要你们管理组成员做出一些努力..................

如果你们决定重新开启一个新的线程，可以将原来的发言转移过来，也可以完全重新开始。可以将一些已经被广泛认为的讨厌鬼直接禁止进入这个新的线程。虽然看上去这不符合公开论坛的规矩，但基于PDF众多优秀话题被破坏的先例，我认为这是必须的措施。

@Joe Shearer 你提供的链接我也完全无法访问。

Yes buddy, I will get to your replies bit by bit. Time is bit scarce on my end and this is a deep subject in end to get into.

Please ignore whomever you need to (that bring in low quality off topic things) in my ~ 24 hour absences (and the absence periods for other high quality posters like Joe etc).

i.e focus on quality that you need to, to get to understanding that you want from this exchange.

When I am present, I will do the various thread cleaning as required, there are lot of trolls and this subject will attract trolling unfortunately.

 

[Nilgiri]

Just attaching some quotes for reference/context as to how the thread got created now.

I personally don’t quite agree with your point of view.

I don’t know where India’s hostility towards China comes from, or rather, why India thinks China is hostile towards them.

From my observations, from the past to the present, the vast majority of Chinese people and the Chinese government have no hostility towards India.

In Chinese official media, negative reports about India are rarely seen; most reports are about Chinese companies' investment situations in India.

On Chinese social media, there are indeed some self-media outlets mocking and ridiculing India, but fabricated fake news is very rare.

I speculate that India’s hostility towards China is mainly derived from border conflicts.

I once watched a video of an internal training speech by a scholar who participated in the China-India border negotiations.

He mentioned that during the China-India border negotiations, China had proposed a plan to India. Both sides would use the LAC as a benchmark, mutually recognize it, end the dispute, and sign a border agreement. Unfortunately, India rejected this plan.

Clearly, whether it is India or China, it is not very realistic to expect to claim all the territory they assert through negotiations. India chose to resist proactively.

Currently, China does not pay much attention to South Asian affairs. With China’s rapid economic development, economic activities in South Asian countries naturally spill over, and investments in South Asia are far from reaching a strategic level.

I agree with lot of what you have to say here. I follow China quite closely, a nation very close to my heart.

The matter to understand first is there is a difference between a nation (the body of people) and a state (the authority, especially political authority).

Of course both are packaged together in the modern "nationstate".

So people regarding some situation that has developed hostility/threat.... are often dealing with the state first, nation second (if at all)....as the state has the highest authority and calls the shots on things regarding defence, geopolitics, strategy and so on regd the state of the other nation. i.e many things go through the state - state in ways that are detrimental to say nation - nation.....because a lot of binary decisions of consequence have to be taken by the state (its a state after all looking out for its nation as it sees it).

Then the rest of this involves things like distance, power level (of that state) and so on. PRC state component is simply put much more powerful (PLA, economic heft to leverage from the nation) and its borders are closer to Indian people (nation) for its state to respond to (regarding reasons why the Chinese state wants to gain advantages where situations are open/grey rather than resolved/peaceful)....compared to where the Chinese people (nation) mostly live (and have other pressing threats/memories to the East and world at large instead for example to compete in their mind). Indians and Indian state dont have the same % of that context basically.

The hostility also isnt that deep, nor will it grow much depending on PRC (state) actions regd India's border for say next 10 - 20 years are just kept as a status quo and let nation-nation realities slowly take more priority in Indian people head.

I watch many Indian travellers to China (and compare contrast with my own sojourns into China - from Beijing to Shanghai to Chengdu to Guangzhou.....past HK where I grew up for a decade of my young life)....their interactions, especially since they do not generally know the Chinese language (unlike me as I know Cantonese and improving my Mandarin, so that's funny). Chinese people in general respond in way of normal non-hostility and interest just like you describe.

So that is why I am pretty sure the hostility you perceive from India/Indians wherever it is, comes from the state-state factor (incl. say PRC strategic alliance with Pakistan, and then Indias own history with Pakistan etc security wise).... being closer to Indian population centres and of a higher total summation behind it currently to back it compared to India.

Thank you very much for participating.

In real life, I have some India friends (I don't know if they are still not Indian nationals, but they are certainly Indian). They are active in both Hong Kong and Shenzhen, working in the diamond trade. They have been in control of the entire secondary diamond trade market in China. They know many languages, including Mandarin, Cantonese, and Hokkien, and even some Chinese dialects. They are very open and friendly.

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We usually think that the relationship between countries is essentially the same as the relationship between children and children.

There was a child in the village, his name was United States, and he was very strong. He wanted the whole village to listen to him, and if there was a disobedient child, he would beat him up until he was obedient. Many children were forced by his strong force to stand by him. He only allows everyone to play according to the rules he has set, and any child who violates the rules is punished, and these rules are completely up to him.

There is a child named China who wants to play with everyone. United States thought the guy was a psychotic and couldn't control it, so they didn't allow him to play with other children. The child was left alone at home to play alone.

With the passage of time, China entered a period of development, and the body grew rapidly, while the United States slowly stopped developing.

The food in the Chinese yard can no longer meet the physical development of China, and it is necessary to come out and find food. The United States let the children around China surround China and do not allow him to come out. China can only find a way to increase the grain production in its own yard, and at the same time give some of its own food to the poorer children in the surrounding area, in exchange for them to let themselves pass. China has been growing up in this difficult environment.

There is another child around China, his name is India. He was also in the period of physical development, but his own yard produced very little food to meet his needs. He has always been envious of the grain in China's yard that harvests more than the grain at home. He also hopes that the United States will give him more food. So he lobbied between China and United States for his importance in exchange for more food to feed his growth.

This is the relationship between China, India, and United States now.

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In order to prevent misunderstandings caused by machine translation, I will speak in both English and Chinese. Chinese is my true expression of opinion, if the translated English causes misunderstanding, please refer to Chinese.

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非常感谢你的参与。

现实生活中，我有一些印度朋友（我不知道他们还是不是印度国籍，但肯定是印度人）。他们活跃在香港-深圳两地，从事钻石贸易工作。整个中国的二级钻石贸易市场一直是由他们在掌控。他们懂很多语言，包括普通话、粤语和闽南语，甚至他们还会一些中国的方言。他们非常开放和友善。

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我们通常认为：国家与国家之间的关系，本质上和小孩与小孩之间的关系是一致的。

村里有个孩子，他的名字叫美国，非常强壮。他希望全村的孩子都听他的话，如果有不听话的小孩，他会去把他揍一顿，直到他听话为止。很多小孩迫于他强壮的武力，只能跟他站在一边。他只允许大家按照他制定的规则玩耍，任何违规的小孩都会被惩罚，这些规则完全由他决定。

有一个叫中国的小孩，很想和大家一起玩耍。美国认为这家伙是个神经病，自己无法控制，于是不允许他和其他小朋友一起玩耍。这个小孩只能自己一个人在家里独自玩耍。

随着时间的推移，中国进入发育期，身体快速成长，而美国却慢慢的停止发育。

中国院子里的粮食已经无法满足中国的身体发育，想出来找到食物。美国让中国周边的小孩围住中国，不允许他出来。中国只能想办法提高自己院子的粮食产量，同时把自己的粮食分一些给周边比较穷的小孩，换取他们让自己通过。中国一直在这种艰难的环境中成长。

中国周边还有一个小孩，他叫印度。他也处于身体发育期，但他自己家里院子产出的粮食非常少，无法满足他的需求。他一直很羡慕中国院子里的粮食比他家里的粮食收获更多。他也希望美国能给他更多的粮食。于是，他在中国和美国之间游说自己的重要性，以换取更多的粮食来满足自己的成长。

这就是现在中国、印度、美国之间的关系。

Since 1949, China's target strategic opponents have only been the Soviet Union and United States.

In the early days of the founding of the People's Republic of China, the relationship between China and the Soviet Union was very close. However, there were a lot of PLA tops who were already working on military tactics to deal with the USSR. While there was some strong opposition to the USSR being listed as an imaginary enemy at this time, there were people in the top echelons of the PLA who were already starting to do something. These strategic preparations greatly strengthened China's confidence in dealing with the Sino-Soviet break. If it were not for these strategic preparations many years ago, China would not have had enough confidence and determination to turn the other cheek with the Soviet Union.

United States has always been China's target adversary. There is no doubt about it.

India, China has never regarded India as an adversary. I don't want to analyze and discuss this reason on the public thread of the PDF, which would lead to an irrational war of words, pointless. If it's a private group, I'm more than willing to share my opinion.

In China, the government's views do not completely change the views of the people. This may be unbelievable to many foreigners who have not been to China, who often believe that the CCP has complete control over the minds of the Chinese people.

In the 80s of the last century, Sino-Japanese relations were highly close. The government is actively developing relations with Japan, and many public opinion trends are driving it. However, the Chinese people's hatred of Japan has not changed. The government's imposition of public opinion has led to many popular protests.

At present, more Chinese people still believe that the current widespread anti-China sentiment in India is a means for the India government to hope to gain more India interests in the Sino-US struggle. Therefore, the Chinese people believe that when the Sino-US struggle reaches a certain stage, this atmosphere will naturally change.

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自1949年以来，中国的目标战略对手只有苏联和美国。

在新中国刚刚成立的初期，中国和苏联的关系非常密切。但是，有很多解放军高层已经在研究应对苏联的军事策略。虽然有一些人强烈反对在这个时候将苏联列为假想敌，但高层中确实有人已经在开始做一些事情了。这些战略准备工作大大增强了中国后来应对中苏决裂的信心。如果不是这些很多年前的战略准备工作，中国没有足够的信心和决心与苏联翻脸。

美国，一直是中国的目标对手。这是毋庸置疑的。

印度，中国从来没有把印度作为对手。我不想在PDF的公开频道上分析讨论这个原因，这会引发不理性的口水战，毫无意义。如果是一个私人群组，我非常愿意分享我的观点。

在中国，政府的观点并不能完全改变民众的观点。这可能让很多没有到过中国的外国人觉得难以置信，他们通常认为中国共产党能完全掌控中国民众的思想动向。

上个世纪八十年代，中日关系高度密切。政府积极发展与日本的关系，很多舆论风向都在带动。但是，中国民众对日本的仇恨并没有改变。政府强加的舆论思想导致很多民众的抗议。

目前，更多的中国民众依然相信，印度目前广泛的仇中情绪是印度政府期望在中美斗争中获取更多印度利益的手段。所以，中国民众认为，当中美斗争到了某个阶段的时候，这种氛围会自然改变。

 

[Nilgiri]

It looks like Joe and other mods did a bunch of thread cleaning.

Any violators that return will get ~ 7 day thread bans from me, that can be made permanent too..... stick to the subject at hand if you want to post past reading.... i.e dont derail/troll the thread. Thanks.

 

[Nilgiri]

India friends expressed concern about the current situation of China's troops stationed in the border areas, believing that this is China's "military threat" against India and planning to carry out "armed aggression" against India. I can make a rational analysis of these military deployments from the perspective of Chinese................
The India government's "economic blackmail" against some Chinese-invested companies in India has made Chinese companies very worried. Friends India can analyze these events from the perspective of India people...................
and so on

As you can see these all correlate with the state-state bridge (over some big chasm that ultimately nationstate borders are to various degrees in reality).

In the end the state to state bridge is the widest most concrete one to process and handle subject matter between the nationstates.

i.e authority = concrete, steel, pavement in end.....to handle and record the traffic of note. Be it tourism, trade "numbers wise", other peaceful normal exchanges....all the way to media loudspeaker, govt, security, world strategy analysis, conflict and war on the other end.

people - people regular stuff (i.e nation-nation like I mentioned in my first reply to you), these are rope bridges dotted around in comparison, they are numerous but ultimately don't process same amount of things, especially officially. They come and go, as weather comes and goes for them and so on.

Both are important with respect to each other, in that they cross a chasm in different ways....organic vs official. Former is more bottom up (and takes time to impact respective pyramids), the other is top-down and compresses time and influence factor far more for far more people that are in networked positions of power/wealth/influence etc.

This gets far more complicated with scales of population.

The nature of this exists for say a country with 10 million people bordering another one with 10 million people.

I can replicate a monte carlo sim to some degree for that to some level of quality. i.e simulating social, political and economic forces in stochastic way....and add correction factors to get it better.

If its 1+ billion giants, it becomes all the more harder to do.

This ultimately means the state-state vector of it carries a huge amount of weight and relevance here compared to smaller scale stuff....as the populations themselves are significant fractions of the entire world population total too.

@Nilgiri I took a very good look at the "india-China relations" thread. It seems to have been heavily tainted (There are some guys that have been ignored by me, I can't see the full content, and I don't want to see these either). Whether it's continuing the original thread or restarting a new thread, I'm fine. But I hope it's a very rigorous discussion, and I don't want to be ruined by some ignorant nasty people, and that requires some effort on your part from the members of the management team..................

If you decide to start a new thread, you can either move the original statement over or start over completely. Some of the already widely considered nuisances can be banned from this new thread outright. While this may not seem like the rules of an open forum, I think it's a necessary step given the precedent of the destruction of many of PDF's great topics.

We will continue here....I have adapted this thread for our purposes....the first arrivals of toxic posters have been fended off and warned too. Let us see how it grows.

Rest is our time we have to process and contribute from our experience and knowledge for it.

i.e I will try get through 1 or 2 posts from you and other quality posts here per time I'm online on the forum....to try explain what I've seen and understood regarding India and China across longer time frame and the current affairs of current time too, to maybe give an idea of future projection to compare with how it actually goes too.

I work with upstream, downstream stuff in my line of work quite a lot, monte carlo sims and everything like it. Almost anything involving forces, vectors and dynamic entities in general.... social (human) or otherwise... I often view through that sense too. Humans in the end just have many more hidden unpredictable components I suppose. Hence the importance of history to psycho-analyse what edges and x-factors have slowly been dulled and what still persists to large degree that's arguably problematic compared to our realisation of truth, morality principles etc.

 

[Nilgiri]

Tagging @j_hungary and @VCheng to keep eye on this thread to their interests/time.

 

[VCheng]

Tagging @j_hungary and @VCheng to keep eye on this thread to their interests/time.

An interesting discussion for sure, but likely to get mired in the endless organ-waving contests that are rampant due to the encouragement afforded to creating such an environment.

 

[Nilgiri]

Anecdotally, and this may surprise some here, I actually haven't personally heard a lot of people talk smack about China. Regular people, that is, not the 'sansani' news channels.

Even post recent border clashes, most of the talk I heard was about decoupling trade ties to the extent possible and how its time to get our own manufacturing sector in order. Diwali firecrackers and light decoration to even idols of our Gods.. mobile phones, regular household conveniences, everything seems to be made in China. The strained ties have given us some pause and cause to reflect.

Then of course there is the little matter of the Sino-Pak alliance and border disputes but I suspect the average person on the street still does not view China as enemy no 1.. maybe we should, but Pakistan, unsurprisingly, retains top spot there with BD fast catching up.

Actually I agree a lot. The threat from China (PRC specifically being the nationstate) is a state-state paradigm. It should not be underlooked at or underappreciated of course.

But it carries different sense to toxicity that comes into nation-nation components (for residuals, renewals and resurgences for the state-state to harness/interpret/exploit there)....and what partition did in 20th century in south asia to imbue that factor to the degree it has done in the neighbourhood.

These have different % contexts in the end of intensity for the laypeople in end.

You like travel vlogs, Nomadic Indian is back in China recently:

Nomadic Indian

Hello Guys, Its Deepanshu Sangwan & I am from ........ different parts of the country ;) Former Dilliwala, Mumbaikar, Bikaner & currently living in Chandigarh. Quit the preparation of better future ( SSC & CAT) for Traveling. For the first time in life, I'm trusting in my GUTS. In February 2017...

www.youtube.com

He had earlier sojourns too. He doesn't know Chinese language + culture + history like me or have the context like me (growing up etc), so it was interesting to see his experiences and reactions and Chinese people around him....what is different and whats the same compared to me.

Understanding countries in end is really not hard, but lot of people do make it hard for themselves for various reasons heh. At higher power/influence....ego, fear and other vice is major stumbling block.

 

[Nilgiri]

An interesting discussion for sure, but likely to get mired in the endless organ-waving contests that are rampant due to the encouragement afforded to creating such an environment.

Won't be tolerated in this thread. Just check in according to your interests.

 

[Michael]

Actually I agree a lot. The threat from China (PRC specifically being the nationstate) is a state-state paradigm. It should not be underlooked at or underappreciated of course.

But it carries different sense to toxicity that comes into nation-nation components (for residuals, renewals and resurgences for the state-state to harness/interpret/exploit there)....and what partition did in 20th century in south asia to imbue that factor to the degree it has done in the neighbourhood.

These have different % contexts in the end of intensity for the laypeople in end.

You like travel vlogs, Nomadic Indian is back in China recently:

Nomadic Indian

Hello Guys, Its Deepanshu Sangwan & I am from ........ different parts of the country ;) Former Dilliwala, Mumbaikar, Bikaner & currently living in Chandigarh. Quit the preparation of better future ( SSC & CAT) for Traveling. For the first time in life, I'm trusting in my GUTS. In February 2017...

www.youtube.com

He had earlier sojourns too. He doesn't know Chinese language + culture + history like me or have the context like me (growing up etc), so it was interesting to see his experiences and reactions and Chinese people around him....what is different and whats the same compared to me.

Understanding countries in end is really not hard, but lot of people do make it hard for themselves for various reasons heh. At higher power/influence....ego, fear and other vice is major stumbling block.

Different countries, different cultures, different ethnic. There are a lot of differences between them. It is precisely because of these differences that our world is so colorful.

Each group has its own characteristics, and we try to let go of each other's inner narrowness and try to integrate with each other to form a new common group. I think it's beautiful, at least, it's much, much better than forcing the other side with war.

In the last two years, I have been following India, Pakistan, and Afghanistan. I have read a lot of life and travel records of people from these countries in China, and I have also read a lot of Chinese life and travel records in these countries. Probably including the travel bloggers you mentioned, but I can't remember their names (you know, my English is pretty bad). It's not just a hobby for me, it has something to do with my job. It's just that my focus may be completely different from what others are focusing on.

When these India bloggers travel to China, they truly experience a completely different China than they imagined. As a Chinese, I actually feel very sad in my heart. It's hard for me to imagine what kind of country China is in the minds of Indians who have never been to China. So, I started speaking on PDFs to try to start a conversation............

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不同的国家，不同的文化，不同的民族。他们之间存在很多差异。也正是因为这些差异，我们的世界才如此的丰富多彩。

每个群体都有每个群体特色，我们试着放开彼此内心的狭隘，试着互相融合，从而形成一个全新的共性群体。我想，这是美好的，至少，它比用战争来强迫对方要美好很多很多。

我最近这两年，一直在关注印度、巴基斯坦、阿富汗。我看了很多这些国家的人在中国的生活和旅行记录，也看了很多中国人在这些国家的生活和旅行记录。可能也包括你提到的旅行博主，但我记不住他们的名字（你的知道，我的英文水平非常糟糕）。这不仅仅是我的爱好，还与我的工作有一些关系。只是，我关注的点可能与其他人关注的点完全不同。

当这些印度博主来中国旅行时，真正体验到与想象中的中国完全不同。作为中国人，其实我的内心很难过。我很难想象，在一个从来没来过中国的印度人心里，中国是一个什么样的国家。于是，我开始在PDF发言，尝试与大家展开交流............

 

[Joe Shearer]

When these India bloggers travel to China, they truly experience a completely different China than they imagined. As a Chinese, I actually feel very sad in my heart. It's hard for me to imagine what kind of country China is in the minds of Indians who have never been to China. So, I started speaking on PDFs to try to start a conversation..

Almost every known person I know who has travelled to China has reported glowing reports about the people and their country. That is not counting people like Nilgiri with their deep involvement with the region and the people. So, you are right; we need more mutual exposure, more of citizens meeting each other without government intermediation.

 

[Michael]

As you can see these all correlate with the state-state bridge (over some big chasm that ultimately nationstate borders are to various degrees in reality).

In the end the state to state bridge is the widest most concrete one to process and handle subject matter between the nationstates.

i.e authority = concrete, steel, pavement in end.....to handle and record the traffic of note. Be it tourism, trade "numbers wise", other peaceful normal exchanges....all the way to media loudspeaker, govt, security, world strategy analysis, conflict and war on the other end.

people - people regular stuff (i.e nation-nation like I mentioned in my first reply to you), these are rope bridges dotted around in comparison, they are numerous but ultimately don't process same amount of things, especially officially. They come and go, as weather comes and goes for them and so on.

Both are important with respect to each other, in that they cross a chasm in different ways....organic vs official. Former is more bottom up (and takes time to impact respective pyramids), the other is top-down and compresses time and influence factor far more for far more people that are in networked positions of power/wealth/influence etc.

This gets far more complicated with scales of population.

The nature of this exists for say a country with 10 million people bordering another one with 10 million people.

I can replicate a monte carlo sim to some degree for that to some level of quality. i.e simulating social, political and economic forces in stochastic way....and add correction factors to get it better.

If its 1+ billion giants, it becomes all the more harder to do.

This ultimately means the state-state vector of it carries a huge amount of weight and relevance here compared to smaller scale stuff....as the populations themselves are significant fractions of the entire world population total too.




We will continue here....I have adapted this thread for our purposes....the first arrivals of toxic posters have been fended off and warned too. Let us see how it grows.

Rest is our time we have to process and contribute from our experience and knowledge for it.

i.e I will try get through 1 or 2 posts from you and other quality posts here per time I'm online on the forum....to try explain what I've seen and understood regarding India and China across longer time frame and the current affairs of current time too, to maybe give an idea of future projection to compare with how it actually goes too.

I work with upstream, downstream stuff in my line of work quite a lot, monte carlo sims and everything like it. Almost anything involving forces, vectors and dynamic entities in general.... social (human) or otherwise... I often view through that sense too. Humans in the end just have many more hidden unpredictable components I suppose. Hence the importance of history to psycho-analyse what edges and x-factors have slowly been dulled and what still persists to large degree that's arguably problematic compared to our realisation of truth, morality principles etc.

I don't know why, but it's hard to form a coherent meaning after these words of yours are translated. I can't understand these translated contents............

 

[Michael]

Almost every known person I know who has travelled to China has reported glowing reports about the people and their country. That is not counting people like Nilgiri with their deep involvement with the region and the people. So, you are right; we need more mutual exposure, more of citizens meeting each other without government intermediation.

I've always wanted to travel to India, Pakistan, Afghanistan. Knowing the world online and experiencing it for yourself are completely different experiences.
But, my English was so bad that I couldn't travel on my own. My son speaks very good English, but he is now in college and needs to wait until he has the right time.

 

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