China Auto Thread
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Hamartia Antidote
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Hamartia Antidote
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Well for one because Tesla was forced to open a plant in Shanghai to get around import tariffs while Chinese companies like BYD have refused year after year to do the same in the US. They just perpetually kicked the manufacturing and selling can down the road for over 15 years.
2008
Warren Buffett looks to electric car in BYD stake
Jan 11, 2009
BYD aims to bring electric vehicle to North America by 2011 or 2012
BYD aims to bring electric vehicle to North America by 2011 or 2012
www.autoweek.com
BYD aims to bring electric vehicle to North America by 2011 or 2012
2011
BYD F3
Keep in mind the Tesla Model 3 didn't roll off the line to US customers until July 28, 2017..that's 5 years AFTER BYD could have cornered the US EV market.
2017
[2017] First Model 3 Handovers
2018
Tesla says it's getting slammed in China because of tariffs, cars cost 60% more than competitors
Tesla says China has put an import tariff of 40 percent on its vehicles, compared with 15 percent for other vehicles imported to China.
www.cnbc.com
Tesla says it’s getting slammed in China because of tariffs, cars cost 60% more than competitors
2018
Tesla plans to build massive assembly plant in [Shanghai] China
December 30, 2019
First Batch China Produced Tesla [Model 3] Vehicles Delivered in Shanghai
January 18, 2023
Tesla's China-made Model Y starts delivery
Tesla Model Y goes into production in 2023 and immediately ends up being the top selling car model overall in China in 2023..and that includes ICE cars
Hey where are all the worldwide charging networks Chinese EV companies invested $100's of millions in???
Chinese EV companies like BYD have zero excuse. Exactly like legacy auto they REFUSED to make the same hard monetary decisions Tesla was forced to make....and like legacy auto now they are paying for it...and playing some tearful crying game of "boohoo it isn't fair...wah!!!!".
Don't ever fall for their crocodile tears. They had the US EV market in their hands before Tesla rolled out the first Model 3...and they completely blew it.
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Hamartia Antidote
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Top 10 best-selling cars in China in August: BEVs take nine and a half spots, gas cars disappear
Also PHEVs nearly disappear.
carnewschina.com
Top 10 best-selling cars in China in August: BEVs take nine and a half spots, gas cars disappear
look at the price differences...yet both high priced Teslas are still near the top.
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Yommie
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Top 10 best-selling cars in China in August: BEVs take nine and a half spots, gas cars disappear
Also PHEVs nearly disappear.Top 10 best-selling cars in China in August: BEVs take nine and a half spots, gas cars disappear
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look at the price differences...yet both high priced Teslas are still near the top.
Tesla is getting stale.
Yommie
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Geely’s 1,113 hp off-roader Battleship 700 to launch October 10
Geely's 1,113 hp off-roader Battleship 700 to launch October 10
Geely Battleship 700 to launch October 10 following 43,900 pre-orders in one hour.
carnewschina.com
Yommie
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Changan Auto consolidates Avatr and Deepal to streamline operations, report says
Changan Auto consolidates Avatr and Deepal to streamline operations, report says
Changan Auto integrates Avatr and Deepal operations to boost efficiency.
carnewschina.com
Yommie
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Chery iCaur V27 Long-Range Edition confirmed with 51.2 kWh CATL battery and 300 km EV range
Chery iCaur V27 Long-Range Edition confirmed with 51.2 kWh CATL battery and 300 km EV range
Ahead of its September 30 release, Chery's iCaur V27 Long-Range Edition adds a 51.2 kWh pack after four consecutive months of falling deliveries.
carnewschina.com
Yommie
Elite Member
MG 07 Wagon spied in China with LiDAR assisted “self driving”
MG 07 Wagon spied in China with LiDAR assisted "self driving"
The wagon variant of the MG 07 is expected to offer PHEV, 400V, and 800V EV trims. It's unclear if it will receive an AWD option, too.
carnewschina.com
Hamartia Antidote
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What happened to the supa-dupa BYD Han?? Apparently it went stale.
What happened to the supa-dupa BYD Qin Plus?? Apparently it went stale.
What happened to the supa-dupa BYD Dolphin?? Apparently it went stale.
What happened to the supa-dupa BYD Song?? Apparently it went stale.
Why has the supa-dupa Xiaomi SU7 fallen to #10? Apparently it went stale.
Xiaomi's extremely popular SU7 EV gets 100,000 pre-orders in fortnight
Xiaomi upgrades its first EV and scores over 100,000 orders in a fortnight.
thedriven.io
Lots of other flashy supa-dupa cars highlighted in this thread didn't survive the hype.
Meanwhile the "boring and stale old timers" Tesla Model Y is #3 and the Tesla Model 3 #6.
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Beijingwalker
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Well for one because Tesla was forced to open a plant in Shanghai to get around import tariffs while Chinese companies like BYD have refused year after year to do the same in the US. They just perpetually kicked the manufacturing and selling can down the road for over 15 years.
2008
Warren Buffett looks to electric car in BYD stake
Jan 11, 2009
BYD aims to bring electric vehicle to North America by 2011 or 2012
BYD aims to bring electric vehicle to North America by 2011 or 2012BYD aims to bring electric vehicle to North America by 2011 or 2012
2011
BYD F3
Keep in mind the Tesla Model 3 didn't roll off the line to US customers until July 28, 2017..that's 5 years AFTER BYD could have cornered the US EV market.
2017
[2017] First Model 3 Handovers
2018
Tesla says it's getting slammed in China because of tariffs, cars cost 60% more than competitors
Tesla says China has put an import tariff of 40 percent on its vehicles, compared with 15 percent for other vehicles imported to China.Tesla says it’s getting slammed in China because of tariffs, cars cost 60% more than competitors
2018
Tesla plans to build massive assembly plant in [Shanghai] China
December 30, 2019
First Batch China Produced Tesla [Model 3] Vehicles Delivered in Shanghai
January 18, 2023
Tesla's China-made Model Y starts delivery
Tesla Model Y goes into production in 2023 and immediately ends up being the top selling car model overall in China in 2023..and that includes ICE cars
Hey where are all the worldwide charging networks Chinese EV companies invested $100's of millions in???
Chinese EV companies like BYD have zero excuse. Exactly like legacy auto they REFUSED to make the same hard monetary decisions Tesla was forced to make....and like legacy auto now they are paying for it...and playing some tearful crying game of "boohoo it isn't fair...wah!!!!".
Don't ever fall for their crocodile tears. They had the US EV market in their hands before Tesla rolled out the first Model 3...and they completely blew it.
Well, without opening the Gigafactory Shanghai, Tesla would had been bankrupted by now, a real good chance. Talk of forced to open the factory, lol.
Yes, Tesla was dangerously close to bankruptcy during the Model 3 ramp-up in 2017–2019, and Gigafactory Shanghai served as the critical financial lifeline that saved the company.
Why Shanghai Saved Tesla- Cash Generation: Giga Shanghai provided massive, high-margin vehicle volume when Fremont was financially strained.
- Speed and Scale: Shanghai doubled Tesla's global output rapidly with lower unit production costs.
Alternative Outcomes Without Shanghai- Capital Crunch: Tesla would have struggled to service debt or build US/European plants without Chinese bank backing and local revenue.
- Dilution or Sale: Tesla likely would have needed emergency equity dilution or a partial buyout by a larger conglomerate to survive 2020.
