Chinese 6th Generation Aircraft News & Discussions

[Nuffle]

unlikely because the difficulties of the program is on a different level, I don't see any possibility before 2032, even the airforce itself has so much things to upgrade before they can started learning the new aircraft.

Yes. For example, those aerodynamic fairings for the control surface actuators on the trailing edge of the wings at the bottom, these will most likely be eliminated in the final production design.

By the way, the J-36, in my opinion, will be a fighter-bomber, with some secondary role in air-to-air combat.

 

[Michael]

Yes. For example, those aerodynamic fairings for the control surface actuators on the trailing edge of the wings at the bottom, these will most likely be eliminated in the final production design.

By the way, the J-36, in my opinion, will be a fighter-bomber, with some secondary role in air-to-air combat.

Both Chinese and Western scholars almost universally agree that in future air battles, manned fighters will no longer consider any possibility of dogfighting, and the center of gravity in air battles between them will be the BVR. and the task of dogfighting will be handed over to UCAVs and air-to-air missiles.

The J-20/J-35/F-35 are all BVR-centered combat models.

So, the J-36 will still engage in air-to-air combat, only the mode of combat has changed. The battle is over when both sides are a hundred kilometers away.

 

[Nuffle]

Both Chinese and Western scholars almost universally agree that in future air battles, manned fighters will no longer consider any possibility of dogfighting, and the center of gravity in air battles between them will be the BVR. and the task of dogfighting will be handed over to UCAVs and air-to-air missiles.

The J-20/J-35/F-35 are all BVR-centered combat models.

So, the J-36 will still engage in air-to-air combat, only the mode of combat has changed. The battle is over when both sides are a hundred kilometers away.

Your comment is contradictory. First you say that in air battles, manned aircraft will no longer be involved in dogfighting, that will be a role left to UCAVs and air-to-air missiles, the latter will only engage in within-visual-range combat with other UCAVs, but we will probably be looking at air battles between UCAVs and next-generation manned aircraft engaged in dogfighting. The reason for this is very simple, with air battle when two opponents clash with next-generation stealth aircraft and drones, we would hardly see a BVR combat as we used to imagine, it would be the same thing when two fifth-generation fighters face each other, one will not detect the other fighter before they start to approach within visual range, because of their stealth configurations.

 

[UKBengali]

Your comment is contradictory. First you say that in air battles, manned aircraft will no longer be involved in dogfighting, that will be a role left to UCAVs and air-to-air missiles, the latter will only engage in within-visual-range combat with other UCAVs, but we will probably be looking at air battles between UCAVs and next-generation manned aircraft engaged in dogfighting. The reason for this is very simple, with air battle when two opponents clash with next-generation stealth aircraft and drones, we would hardly see a BVR combat as we used to imagine, it would be the same thing when two fifth-generation fighters face each other, one will not detect the other fighter before they start to approach within visual range, because of their stealth configurations.

Radars in fighters like J-20 can detect an F-22 from around 50-60km away and so BVR is still important even with 5th generation fighters.

 

[yusheng]

The tail video is here

Sina Visitor System

 

[Antonius123]

The tail video is here

Sina Visitor System

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What plane is that?

The smoke seems like the trail of RDE (Rotating Detonation Engine).

I believe while current prototype of J-36 may fly with WS-10C as interim, in the future J-36 could be equipped with RDE. With RDE the fighter can speed beyond 3 mach.

 

[liuzhengdong]

will mainly carry BVR and not short range air to air missiles, because it will have no to minimal agility/maneuverability, if enemy will be able come close to the J-36 . it will have no defense against the short range enemy, then 5th gen jets will become handy to save 6th gen jets because of their high maneuverability/agility, it will be HIGH-LOW combo

Which fighter do you think can catch up with the J36 with a cruising speed of Mach 2 and a maximum speed of Mach 3.5?

 

[Antonius123]

Your comment is contradictory. First you say that in air battles, manned aircraft will no longer be involved in dogfighting, that will be a role left to UCAVs and air-to-air missiles, the latter will only engage in within-visual-range combat with other UCAVs, but we will probably be looking at air battles between UCAVs and next-generation manned aircraft engaged in dogfighting. The reason for this is very simple, with air battle when two opponents clash with next-generation stealth aircraft and drones, we would hardly see a BVR combat as we used to imagine, it would be the same thing when two fifth-generation fighters face each other, one will not detect the other fighter before they start to approach within visual range, because of their stealth configurations.

6th gen fighter should be able to first see and first shoot 5th gen fighter.

6th gen fighter will have all spectrum of stealth that make more difficult to detect while it's sensor such as quantum radar or quantum IRST could detect 5th gen stealth.

 

[Michael]

Your comment is contradictory. First you say that in air battles, manned aircraft will no longer be involved in dogfighting, that will be a role left to UCAVs and air-to-air missiles, the latter will only engage in within-visual-range combat with other UCAVs, but we will probably be looking at air battles between UCAVs and next-generation manned aircraft engaged in dogfighting. The reason for this is very simple, with air battle when two opponents clash with next-generation stealth aircraft and drones, we would hardly see a BVR combat as we used to imagine, it would be the same thing when two fifth-generation fighters face each other, one will not detect the other fighter before they start to approach within visual range, because of their stealth configurations.

It's a translation problem.
Air combat is categorized into close quarters dogfighting and BVR. my Chinese translation to English in the software is wrong.

5th Gen fighters have completely weakened dogfighting. the J-20/J-35/F-35 are no longer fitted with machine guns, and the F-22 retains them due to their earlier appearance. Also, their built-in bomb bay carries only 2 short-range air-to-air missiles for emergencies, carrying more BVR medium-range air-to-air missiles.

The 6th Gen fighters will probably disregard dogfights altogether. At least the J-36s found so far do not have any dogfighting design elements.SAC's 6th Gen fighters are uncertain about the situation.

All of China's previously revealed unmanned wingmen feature dogfight design features. Dark Sword UAV, FH-97A ......

No one can precisely define the 6th Gen fighter at this point. All the information we have seen is vague or speculative information.

 

[SiliconBit (silicon0000)]

Lol, I just found out you are the one who started this thread in late 2023 and the second page directly goes to Sep 2024 and merely three months later, both prototypes made their maiden flight.

Where did you guys sense and smell that they are coming, usually a massive project like this would drag on for a few hundred pages of useless discussion before anything can actually happened.
What a god speed.

This information was already included in the previous version of the PDF. When PDF 2.0 was born, I attempted to replicate the same thread structure and copy the data from the old forum. While I was unsuccessful in copying the data, I was able to create the threads. Therefore, when information is presented, it should be organized appropriately. It's basically not for sensing things of future but more with organized forum.

 

[100%_Guest]

Now I'm even more surprised
I always thought the model was nice, but more of a fancy what-if!

Maybe some toy or model manufacturer is abusing the AVIC logo to feign authenticity and boost business? ... at least a nice model

sorry to butt in what does 36011 means?
J20 20001 means first proto, then 36011 means 11th protos? tq

 

[Deino]

Which fighter do you think can catch up with the J36 with a cruising speed of Mach 2 and a maximum speed of Mach 3.5?

There is no such fighter yet and even if this clip is real, it surely is never ever the J-36.

sorry to butt in what does 36011 means?
J20 20001 means first proto, then 36011 means 11th protos? tq

No, it means the first "iteration" of that given type ... so IMO it "could" be a hint for an already more mature design like the first real J-20 prototypes, which carried 201x numbers instead of the two demonstrators with 200x.

 

[Yommie]

how do you know what is the size of J-36 and it is 4 meters longer than F-22, please provide the source/links/ evidence especially 4 METERS LONGER THAN F-22 CONSPRICY THEORY?

J-36 is about 24 meters long judging from size comparison with J-20 which is 21 meters long.

 

[Yommie]

Surely not the clearest image of the J-36 yet, but the best one showing it from the side!

(via sus2024 / SDF)

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The extra engine does make it resemble He 162 a bit.

Heinkel He 162 Volksjäger - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Nuffle]

6th gen fighter should be able to first see and first shoot 5th gen fighter.

6th gen fighter will have all spectrum of stealth that make more difficult to detect while it's sensor such as quantum radar or quantum IRST could detect 5th gen stealth.

What about when it's a 6th generation fighter versus another 6th generation fighter?