Chinese Naval Platform & PLAN discussions

[FuturePAF]

Not all retired warships are suitable for use as coast guard ships. The armor of modern warships is often not specially reinforced, making them less capable of withstanding close range impacts than specialized coast guard ships. The collision between two ships was a scene of a maritime patrol conflict. The Chinese maritime police have built a batch of large tonnage specialized maritime police ships. Secondly, speed and economy are important. In response to unexpected situations, coast guard ships are required to navigate at a speed that is not too slow. The 056 has a displacement of only 1500 tons and uses a diesel engine, which is economical and reliable. Its medium speed is suitable for island patrols, and its annual patrol costs are not too high. In contrast, the advantage of 052c as a coast guard ship is not significant (its speed is not particularly outstanding, the armor of warships is not specially reinforced like that of specialized coast guard ships, old-fashioned engines are used for frequent patrols, and the cost efficiency is not high, and the tonnage advantage is not fully utilized)052c is more likely to be upgraded in my opinion

I have come to accept that conclusion as well. The type 052c is best suited in plan service.

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

I think you owe me apology Mr
Your English is poor
You refer to post 41 ...there is the proof

I ask again stop derailing the thread and stop accusing me of things I never said
On the contrary I praised plan ships

But in terms of naval war fighting and doctrine and planning USA would wipe the floor with china in any given day
That is a fact
China has never won a modern war on a global.scale like USA

Ok but not to troll and derailing the thread

 

[guangdongt]

I have come to accept that conclusion as well. The type 052c is best suited in plan service.

Yes, the 052c is the pioneering work of using AESA radar on Chinese warships. Prior to this, China had been building experimental ships throughout the 1990s to prepare for the 052c. China had developed the 052, 052B, 051B, and 051C types, but the number of these ships built was very small, providing validation for the development of the 052c. The 052 is equipped with the first generation 364 active phase array radar (Ocean Star) of the Chinese Navy, which has greatly improved its detection capability, and is also equipped with a 48 unit vertical launch system. This enables the Type 052C missile destroyer to have long-range air defense capabilities, providing regional air defense capabilities for naval fleets. Secondly, the second batch of Type 052C destroyers was only delivered to the Chinese navy in 2013, with an 8-year gap between the two batches. During Hu's tenure, China spent a lot of effort transforming the navy from yellow nearshore forces to blue ocean forces. The first two Type 052Cs explored a large amount of experience, laying a crucial foundation for the subsequent batch equipment of Type 052 series warships. I don't want to argue with some Indians in this thread, because the national understanding of the navy has progressed with the real progress of the navy. The two modern class ships we imported from Russia can both undergo mid-term upgrades, and I believe that at least the second batch of 052c will be upgraded. As for the first batch of the two 052cs, they are a glorious history of the Chinese Navy. The first modern destroyer of the Chinese Navy, the 112 "Harbin" ship, which entered service in 1994, is the first ship of the 052 missile destroyer and has not yet been officially retired. It is too early to discuss the 052c.

 

[guangdongt]

Don't talk shit if you lack knowledge of the engineering design of a nuclear-powered submarine. It's no surprise that no Chinese individuals have won a Nobel Prize.

It's meaningless to reveal your shallow knowledge. I only talk about people of Chinese nationality, not discussing literary awards. In medical science, we have Tu Youyou, a Nobel laureate in Physiology or Medicine, who is a woman，I remind you that dual citizenship is not allowed in China. If it extends to overseas Chinese, they will receive more Nobel Prizes in science and engineering

 

[FuturePAF]

Yes, the 052c is the pioneering work of using AESA radar on Chinese warships. Prior to this, China had been building experimental ships throughout the 1990s to prepare for the 052c. China had developed the 052, 052B, 051B, and 051C types, but the number of these ships built was very small, providing validation for the development of the 052c. The 052 is equipped with the first generation 364 active phase array radar (Ocean Star) of the Chinese Navy, which has greatly improved its detection capability, and is also equipped with a 48 unit vertical launch system. This enables the Type 052C missile destroyer to have long-range air defense capabilities, providing regional air defense capabilities for naval fleets. Secondly, the second batch of Type 052C destroyers was only delivered to the Chinese navy in 2013, with an 8-year gap between the two batches. During Hu's tenure, China spent a lot of effort transforming the navy from yellow nearshore forces to blue ocean forces. The first two Type 052Cs explored a large amount of experience, laying a crucial foundation for the subsequent batch equipment of Type 052 series warships. I don't want to argue with some Indians in this thread, because the national understanding of the navy has progressed with the real progress of the navy. The two modern class ships we imported from Russia can both undergo mid-term upgrades, and I believe that at least the second batch of 052c will be upgraded. As for the first batch of the two 052cs, they are a glorious history of the Chinese Navy. The first modern destroyer of the Chinese Navy, the 112 "Harbin" ship, which entered service in 1994, is the first ship of the 052 missile destroyer and has not yet been officially retired. It is too early to discuss the 052c.

The first batch of the type 052c might be good museum/school ships for engineering students from the navy in about a decade.

 

[guangdongt]

CCTV's "A Comprehensive View of Weapons" recently aired a program titled "Refining Deep Blue Sword with New Qualities of Warfare". The subtitles showed that the latest version of 052d (should be 052DL) added sea based anti missile capabilities, leading people to speculate that this is a new type of sea based anti missile (Hongqi 26?) that was publicly tested and exposed on a Chinese experimental ship two years ago and has already been equipped with the latest 052d，Used to intercept medium and long-range ballistic missiles inside and outside the atmosphere, enabling these large air defense destroyers to have sea-based anti missile capabilities.

 

[jzrmt]

That was in WW II, 80 years ago. And Chinese army drove the superpower US army 600 km away from its border to South Korea in the Korean war, and decisively helped the North Vietnam defeat the superpower US army again in the Vietnam-America war, can your India do that ?

The way America kept touting and touting their experience at war.

Not mentioning those war against sheep herders and goat herders with DIY missiles and AKs

America hoping those experience will be of use to them when they fight Russia or China for real

America forgetting.

Just to refresh America memories of the times they thought they can go in and clobber goat herders and sheep herders

And America came out then with turds running out from the legs of their pants

And even at that, America got a miserable record of victories over 3rd world helpless countries.

America record against 500,00 kids a lot better though

Neither did USA win in Somalia either :enjoy:

Did USA win in Iraq?

USA said they won

Like Tojo claiming win for Japan after TORA TORA TORAmghaha:

USA tried and tried to kill Sadr and his supporters.
And this the final result in Iraq

The only wars USA won since WW2 were wars USA fought against Panama, Nicaragua and Grenada.



What was the military edge USA have over a bunch of separate goat herders in Afghan? Do not even need the entire fucking country of Afghan.
10,000 to 1 ? leasantry:

Or is it the Afghan goat herders have military technology greater than USA??
I finished reading “the Outpost” by Jake Tapper. How a bunch of goat herders in Afghan with AKs and rpgs and IEDs (because they do not have billion dollar industry to make bombs like USA, can only make bombs in backyard on a DIY basis) taking out USA brave men despite they having 155 howizters , 120 mm mortars , Ma Deuces, A-10s, properly build bombs, B52s and helicopter gunships , AC-130 Spectre Gunships and billions of dollars backing them and not so good in protecting them.

If USA fought bravely with massive firepower behind them, then what about the goat herders with only AKs and RPGs fighting against USA knowing they fighting against 155 howizters , 120 mm mortars , Ma Deuces, A-10s, properly build bombs, B52s and helicopter gunships , AC-130 Spectre Gunships ?

Even more fucking brave is the least I can say of the Afghans goat herders. Who were untrained knowing only how to herd goats unlike the USA special forces who went through countless hours and weeks and months learning how to kill and kill.
Yet who won? And who left Afghan?:enjoy:

Maybe USA army should consider making their fighting folks do a course in goat herding . As who knows, maybe herding goats might be better to build up fighting skills. leasantry:

USA got fucked when USA tried that in Afghan . Against a bunch of tribesmen when USA had 1000 the firepower over them. And after a trillion of dollars what have USA got to show in Afghan? :yay:

Why did the United States of America fail to win the war in Afghanistan even after 17 years? Why does the lone superpower fail to defeat a group of goat herders?mghaha:

WW2 against Hitler was won largely by USSR who take down and took out 80% of the best and most powerful divisions and fighting force of Hitler and America and UK took on a bunch of invalids send for R&R in Normandy

Your formidable fighting force in Pacific with battleships and carriers and planes and submarines fought and killed 200,000 japs in Okinawa and Guam and other Pacific islands

China with barely any arms killed nearly 2,000,000 japs .

China had less arms given to them then the surrounded German Army under Marshall Paulus received at Stalingrad.

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

The way America kept touting and touting their experience at war.

Not mentioning those war against sheep herders and goat herders with DIY missiles and AKs

America hoping those experience will be of use to them when they fight Russia or China for real

America forgetting.

Just to refresh America memories of the times they thought they can go in and clobber goat herders and sheep herders

And America came out then with turds running out from the legs of their pants

And even at that, America got a miserable record of victories over 3rd world helpless countries.

America record against 500,00 kids a lot better though

Neither did USA win in Somalia either :enjoy:

Did USA win in Iraq?

USA said they won

Like Tojo claiming win for Japan after TORA TORA TORAmghaha:

USA tried and tried to kill Sadr and his supporters.
And this the final result in Iraq

The only wars USA won since WW2 were wars USA fought against Panama, Nicaragua and Grenada.



What was the military edge USA have over a bunch of separate goat herders in Afghan? Do not even need the entire fucking country of Afghan.
10,000 to 1 ? leasantry:

Or is it the Afghan goat herders have military technology greater than USA??
I finished reading “the Outpost” by Jake Tapper. How a bunch of goat herders in Afghan with AKs and rpgs and IEDs (because they do not have billion dollar industry to make bombs like USA, can only make bombs in backyard on a DIY basis) taking out USA brave men despite they having 155 howizters , 120 mm mortars , Ma Deuces, A-10s, properly build bombs, B52s and helicopter gunships , AC-130 Spectre Gunships and billions of dollars backing them and not so good in protecting them.

If USA fought bravely with massive firepower behind them, then what about the goat herders with only AKs and RPGs fighting against USA knowing they fighting against 155 howizters , 120 mm mortars , Ma Deuces, A-10s, properly build bombs, B52s and helicopter gunships , AC-130 Spectre Gunships ?

Even more fucking brave is the least I can say of the Afghans goat herders. Who were untrained knowing only how to herd goats unlike the USA special forces who went through countless hours and weeks and months learning how to kill and kill.
Yet who won? And who left Afghan?:enjoy:

Maybe USA army should consider making their fighting folks do a course in goat herding . As who knows, maybe herding goats might be better to build up fighting skills. leasantry:

USA got fucked when USA tried that in Afghan . Against a bunch of tribesmen when USA had 1000 the firepower over them. And after a trillion of dollars what have USA got to show in Afghan? :yay:

Why did the United States of America fail to win the war in Afghanistan even after 17 years? Why does the lone superpower fail to defeat a group of goat herders?mghaha:

WW2 against Hitler was won largely by USSR who take down and took out 80% of the best and most powerful divisions and fighting force of Hitler and America and UK took on a bunch of invalids send for R&R in Normandy

Your formidable fighting force in Pacific with battleships and carriers and planes and submarines fought and killed 200,000 japs in Okinawa and Guam and other Pacific islands

China with barely any arms killed nearly 2,000,000 japs .

China had less arms given to them then the surrounded German Army under Marshall Paulus received at Stalingrad.

Why you always post such a long and cheap post?

 

[jzrmt]

Why you always post such a long and cheap post?

Tell those USA brown nosers not to trumpet about the wonderful combat experience of USA then. They need history to be repeated to them to know just how lousy USA combat experinence can be

 

[jzrmt]

Tell those USA brown nosers not to trumpet about the wonderful combat experience of USA then. They need history to be repeated to them to know just how lousy USA combat experinence can be

By this logic how many wars china has fought and won in last 50 years?

That lie of Chinese using human waves in Korean war and dying like flies in face of ‘American firepower and shells and bullets can be examined in the casualty statisics.

Korean War Casualty Stats

Bullshit to all those crap talk of Chinese human waves and sending of Chinese into the meat grinder.

Feeble excuses as to how ‘American and their gang forces got fxcked and kicked back south of parallel by single bolt action rifles.

China told you all to get south of parallel and China stopped there.

Or they drive all of you down South of Pusan.

See the table of casualties.

That war became largely a war between Chinese and the rest.

Chinese suffered less dead and wounded than the rest of the ‘Muricans and UN doggies not withstanding single bolt action rifles against Ma Dueces , automatic weapons and artillery and tanks and planes and chopters and kitchen sinks and battleships with 16″ guns.

If Chinese used human waves as so often lied about, China would have casualties 10 times worse than the rest combined.

Go read Coldest Winter The Coldest Winter: America and the Korean War: David Halberstam: 9780786888627: Amazon.com: Books

Or you telling me David Halberstam is a liar and fiction writer!



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Folks forgotten how China can fight and did fight.

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USA had military advantage and fire power at least 100 times that of China in 1950



In 1950, the weakness of China very very real and not imaginary at all. Armed largely with single shot bolt action rifle a noch above black powder muzzle loader.

How can China ever hoped to prevail against battleships with 16 inch guns and planes and artillery and Ma Deuces with unlimited ammo supply and the claimed battle savy of USA army and Marines?

Dugout Doug and his generals laughed at those chink laundrymen and promised that they be crushed to red paste with firepower and laughed at the China warning not to approach Yalu river.


The military might and strength of USA with heavy artillery and planes and tanks and battleships with 16 inch guns cannot be resisted by China with economy slightly out of stone age and with single shot bolt action rifles. Bolt operated rifles were just one stage above using muzzle loading muskets and black powder.

That Chinese be slaughtered and turned into red pulp should they dare to fight good old Dugout in Korea.

Chinese whacked USA and the UN combined that they had to flee south of the Parallel as demanded by China.Chinese fought with bolt operated rifles against Ma Dueces , automatic weapons and artillery and tanks and planes and chopters and battleships with 16″ guns.

Go read the book by David Halberstam
The Coldest Winter



Look on the front line at 24 Nov 1950 and the front line of 16 Dec 1950.

It took China only twenty days and less to do that push down to 38 parallel fighting USA and the UN combined who had 100 times and more of the firepower of China.

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And for the Sino Japan war, Japan was so confident that Japan will need only 3 months to smash and conquer whole of China. Especially considering the arms Japan got and the almost no arms China got.

That was enforced by the rape of China from the Imperial powers that of course not allow China to manufacture weapons, major or minor.


Did the Japanese win in CHina?
Could the Japs win in China?
I thought they were stuck in a quagmire and sucked deeper and deeper in China and being killed and injured by the millions in the Sino Japanese war despite the Chinese having pathetically little arms.
I think the German Army stuck and surrounded in Stalingrad got more arms and supplies send to them than what was send in all entirety to the Chinese in China during the Sino Japanese war.
Japan got sucked into quicksand in China despite overwhelming military advantage and 4 to 5 times as many Japanese died at the hands of Chinese than they did in the islands of Pacific at the arms of the USA Marines and Army and Navy.
That the Japanese soldiers were very well trained can be seen in their earlier victories against British and USA.
The Japanese could fight very very well.
As to how Japs could fight, do recall 36,000 Japanese invaded Malaya , forced and fought their way down and utterly defeated 86,000++ British troops capturing Singapore. So do not think Japs could not fight.
About 130,000 Indian, Australian and British troops became prisoners of war when Singapore was surrended to General Yamashita. The 130,000 Brits and Allied forces with artillery and tanks and planes and guns and lots of ammo surrended to 36,000 Japs who rode down on fucking bicycles fighting with guns and hardly any arty .
Neither could the Americans hold off the Japanese at the beginning because the Japanese fought extremely well against USA as seen in Corregidor.
The defensive arsenal on Corregidor was formidable with 45 coastal guns and mortars organized into 23 batteries, some seventy-two anti-aircraft weapons assigned to thirteen batteries and a minefield of approximately 35 groups of controlled mines.

The two 12-inch (305 mm) guns of Batteries Smith and Hearn, with a horizontal range of 29,000 yd (27,000 m) and all-around traverse were the longest range of all the island's artillery.
Caballo Island, with Fort Hughes—just south of Corregidor—was the next largest in area. At about 160 acres (65 ha), the island rose abruptly from the bay to a height of 380 ft (120 m) on its western side. Commander Francis J. Bridget was in charge of its beach defenses with a total of 800 men, of whom 93 were Marines and 443 belonged to the Navy, by the end of April 1942. Coastal artillery numbered some 13 assorted pieces, with its anti-aircraft defenses tied in with those of Corregidor.
Fort Drum—which lay about 4 mi (6.4 km) south of Fort Hughes—was the most unusual of the harbor defenses. Military engineers had cut away the entire top of El Fraile Island down to the water-line and used the island as a foundation to build a reinforced concrete "battleship", 350 ft (110 m) long and 144 ft (44 m) wide, with exterior walls of concrete and steel 25–36 ft (7.6–11.0 m) thick. The top deck of this concrete battleship was 40 ft (12 m) above the low-water mark and had 20 ft (6.1 m) thick walls. Equipped with four 14-inch (356 mm) guns in armored turrets facing seaward, a secondary battery of four casemated 6-inch (152 mm) gunsguns, and two antiaircraft guns, the fort with its 200-man garrison was considered impregnable to attack.
And the 13,000++ USA and Filipino soldiers left on Corregidor with all those hardware and lots of military goodies were ran over and surrendered to 2,400++ Japs in three landings made by the Japs on the island.
And that Gen McArthur ran away from his troops in Corregidor for which he was awarded MOH for his glorious act of running away.
As for China at the time of the Sino Japanese war, China was defenseless.
China had little industry in China being raped and pillaged by Western powers all set to divide and dismembered her and selling opium to China prior to the Sino Japanese war from July 7, 1937, to September 2, 1945
And for that purpose, the Western Powers were not going to let China have the means to produce armaments which could be used to stop the West from enjoying what they could from China.
Second Sino-Japanese War - Wikipedia
Japanese had a very strong military and armaments , from the steel USA happily sold to her for that purpose, together with the oil . Going on until almost before Japan decided to attack Pearl harbour because the Japanese were very unhappy USA not selling to Japan as much steel and oil as they want to beat and loot China in the way the Japanese want to.
China ports were all taken by Japanese so nothing could get through and for that matter, USA was not going to do that as USA had this great friendship going on with Japan.
Until Japan attacked Pearl Harbour that USA decided perhaps USA needed to supply arms to China except USA main focus was to supply arms to Europe as China was a bastard child. China did not even get 1% of the armaments supplied to UK, Russia and other Allied forces in other theatres of war.
The much ballyhooed military lift over the Hump was a fucking joke as that primarily was to try to get fuel and bombs over to bases for USA planes to bomb Japan and not arms for China. And at that, the fuel required to fly over the hump, and to fly back meant only a pittance could be brought over.
Chinese had to take on 80% of the Japanese Armed strength in China itself and 20% of the Japanese in the Pacific fighting the Americans
From Jamie Wong answer to How powerful is the Chinese military?
As a matter of fact, a lot of PLA soldiers didn’t even have a rifle. For major battles, each soldier got 1 rifle, 100~200 bullets, and 2~3 grenades. As for the guerrillas who was fighting in the Japanese occupied ares, half of them didn’t even have a rifle or pistol. Each battle, 5 rounds were the standard equipment. Others had to use blades and spears.

↑ This picture shows the common situation of PLA guerrillas.

]↑ And this was already a major division, but in the tough area.[]

↑ This is how the 8th route army looked like. It was the major division of PLA. Still no armored vehicle.[

E]This was how Chinese went into battle in 1941
Those Chinese lucky enough to have rifles would have five rounds for each rifle. The rest using swords and spears against Japanese machine guns, tanks and artillery.
Yet they fought and killed Japanese invaders.
Even though the Chinese had no experience with fighting, and Japanese very well armed and with enormous experience in war and killing, Chinese took them on. (so those that always harp and crow that Chinese got no experience, please remember this and take note)
And Chinese killed over 1.5 million Japanese soldiers. Chinese did it by strapping explosives to their bodies to rush at tanks and machine guns and Japanese concentration of troops in suicidal charges.
Except the chinese being chinese, never ever will call their charges as banzai charges.
This not only killed Japanese, this terrified them as to how Chinese with so few arms could take on the Japanese. This was when the Japanese copied the Chinese in Japanese Pacific war against USA.
Why should the Japanese use Banzai attacks on Chinese in China? Japanese got machine guns and artillery and tanks and planes to kill the Chinese without having to go Banzaiiing!
Japanese learned Kamikazi and Banzai attacks from Chinese.
From the Chinese who had little arms and no other choices to their killing of Japanese in China.
Chinese paid with 14 ++ million of their Chinese soldiers dying . And another 14++ million Chinese civilians slaughtered and murdered by the Japanese soldiers in attempts to terrorised and intimidate China into surrendering.
For the Americans it was very different in their later fight with Japanese.
USA did not have to strap explosives to their bodies like the Chinese soldiers to rush the Japanese.
USA had battleships with 16″ guns and planes and bombs and Ma Deuces and artillery , tanks flame throwers and unlimited ammo and kitchen sink to help them take on the remaining 20% of the Japanese on islands like Iwo Jima, Guadalcanal, Guam, Okinawa maybe taking out 200,000 Japanese troops in the entire Pacific islands campaigns.[

]Now we look at how the Chinese fought when they had adequate arms.


Battle of Yenangyaung - Wikipedia
And in Burma, at the battle of Yenangyaung, almost 7,000 British soldiers, and 500 prisoners and civilians were encircled by an equal number of Japanese soldiers from the IJA 33rd Division at Yenangyaung and its oil field. The 33rd Division had cut the Magwe road between Slim's two divisions, who were now about 50 miles (80 km) apart.
General Sun instead led his 113th Regiment with only 1,121 men, of which only 800 were combat personnel, in the rescue mission.
British veteran expresses thanks to descendants of China Expeditionary Force
And those 800 chinese saved the Brits. And those 800 Chinks pulled the chestnuts of the 7,000 valiant brits out of the fucking fire and slaughtered the IJA 33rd Division.
In China, Chinese with kungfu and spears and swords and hardly any guns hold the Japs and fought the Japs killing 1.77 million of the Japs and wounding 1.9 million Japs with suicidal charges strapping explosives to take out Jap tanks and machine guns and artillery.
But Chinese when given adequate arms could fight far better than the Japs.
Imagine now if Chinese had been given sufficient arms in China to fight the fucking Japanese there in China!
There might not even be a fucking TORA TORA TORA at Pearl Harbour. And no Japanese in Pacific at all for USA Army and Marines to fight as Japs will all be in China and being fucked and killed by Chinese in China.




I AM SURE CHINA GOT REDUNDANCIES AFTER REDUNDANCIES AS TO KNOW WHERE USA NAVAL ASSETS ARE AT ALL TIMES.

AND IF PUSHING TURN TO REAL SHOVING, USA SAILORS WILL REMAIN FOREVER YOUNG

USA LOST BADLY TO CHINA WHEN CHINA HAD ONLY SINGLE SHOT BOLT ACTION RIFLES AGAINST DUGOUT DOUG AND HIS BATTLESHIPS WITH 16 INCH GUNS AND CARRIERS AND PLANES AND ARTILLERIES AND MA DEUCES WITH UNLIMITED AMMO.

AND THE USA FIASCO IN VIETNAM WHEN USA HAD 100 TIMES THE FIREPOWER OF CHINA AND VIETNAM








USA WERE WARNED NOT TO GO NORTH OF THE PARALLEL


USA dared not cross the parallel.




China told them if USA cross the parallel, China will put Chinese boots on the ground below the parallel in numbers that pale what China did when Dugout Doug approached the Yalu River.





USA remembered what happened when they encountered Chinese even though most of the Chinese had only single shot bolt action rifle against USA battleships and artillery and Ma Deuces and unlimited ammo.

USA blinked and blinked and tail between legs and did not have the cojones to cross.

AND NOW USA KNOW CHINA GOT LOTS OF BANG AND LONGER REACH THEN USA CAN DREAM OF.

AND ANY TIME USA WANT TO TURN PUSHING INTO REAL SHOVING, CHINA WILL BE MORE THAN READY AND WILLING TO TANGO

Tell those USA brown nosers not to trumpet about the wonderful combat experience of USA then. They need history to be repeated to them to know just how lousy USA combat experinence can be

 

[DDG-80]

But you are not denying the hatch was open right?

Arihant doen't have a hatch. It's a double hull design.

 

[Bin Laden]

IMHO once the current batch is completed , PLAN should seriously look for a successor design (type 57!?) , with 9k-10k displacement. As current displacement is certainly on the low end of modern destroyer so much so even newer frigates classes world wide are nearer or even bigger than it. Even within PLAN with induction of type 54B now with 6k tons displacement puts it very near type 52D (albeit with much less firepower) , so room exist between it and the 13k ton type 55 for a new workhorse destroyer with revised design/propulsion to be firmly in response to the newer USN arleigh burke batch IIIs.

 

[ENI]

The Type 052D is a mature design that has been refined over the years, for example with the lengthening of the helipad in the 052DL class, new defence systems in terms of the Type 1130 CIWS and towed decoys, and the new Type 368 surface search radar. It packs a solid amount of firepower in its 64 VLS cells. It offers somewhat more distributed firepower compared to the larger Type 055, offering a balance between capability and affordability.

The key problem with producing more units of this class - not saying it won't be done but this will be a downside - is that there is no feasible way to fit more capability into this hull. Its powerplant won't be powerful enough to support better sensors going forward (e.g. Type 346B and the X-band AESA panels on the Type 055). 64 VLS cells could be limiting relative to USN destroyers, depending on whether the new quad-packed medium-range SAM is available in good numbers yet. Just 16 of its 64 cells are the longer 9-metre standard VLS, which is almost certainly required to launch the YJ-21 and YJ-18, which is a far lower proportion of 9-metre cells to the Type 055.

There are certainly reasons why the PLAN will want more Type 052D, but also good reasons why it might not be all the way to 60 units.

 

[Han Patriot]

Arihant doen't have a hatch. It's a double hull design.

No hatch then how did they get out of the submarine?

 

[gambit]

The way America kept touting and touting their experience at war.

Not mentioning those war against sheep herders and goat herders with DIY missiles and AKs

America hoping those experience will be of use to them when they fight Russia or China for real

America forgetting.

Just to refresh America memories of the times they thought they can go in and clobber goat herders and sheep herders

And America came out then with turds running out from the legs of their pants

And even at that, America got a miserable record of victories over 3rd world helpless countries.

Then why is the Parade Line Army remodeled itself like the US military? Why did China essentially abandoned Mao's concept of "The People's War", which is a defeatist way of conducting war? The kind of weapons you have and influences, if not outright dictate, the kind of war doctrines you WILL develop. Not 'may' develop', but WILL. So, if China built the J-20, that mean what? Against sheep herders or against a modern military? What is an aircraft carrier for? Against rioting universities students and angry failed real estate investors? No, the PLA leadership remodeled because they knew that what they had would lose.

People like you with that line of 'criticism' against US are ignorant and proud of it. They think that the more they mock US, the 'smarter' they sound. I bet you never served a single day in service.